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  • Giodia - Heavens Tear
    Giodia - Heavens Tear Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Trueazaril - Lost City wrote: »
    i love the acct stash best thing ive bought so far.b:dirty

    OP is so pwned !!!b:laugh

    Seriously, you will not be able to share items between 2 different accounts due to the technical and security issues involved.

    Thread so be moved to lower depths.

    Thank you for your contribution OP.
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yep you need a second email to make a second account so i guess that puts an end to this stupid thread.

    ever heard of login passwords? damn what a concept.
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    for saying your lvl 100 you obviously dont know much about being 100 the exp stone you get is actually almost 700k from the 2nd bh and there is one you can randomly get for the first bh that is 400k also from your list you have more then 8 characters so obviously its just not possible to put them all on one account frankly put this is never getting changed so get over it.

    i quit doing BH after getting 4 straight sack o ****. no point anyway seeing as i dont care about exp after 100 so i dont bother with them. if i actually had a use for the exp tokens i'd do them.
    Tenjai - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    the idea of linking 2 accounts is beyond ridiculous and i just want to state some simple main points regarding to the 2nd account for the link without explaining too much.

    1. bought
    2. ****
    3. given
    4. shared - belong to someone else (room mate, relative, gf/bf, etc).

    to be able to come up with the account linking idea I think foxgrit falls under 1 of the 4 categories but mostly the 4th so he could share/sell/buy the non-tradeable stuff with his gf and vice-versa

    then remake the toon on the account that you use the Account stash stone on



    wrong again. she has her own accounts and i have mine. we both make a new character together and level them together.

    i said making 1 level 100 isnt very difficult. not making a full account of them. think before you type next time.

    Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Are you really not aware that you said you have a level 100 Venomancer on Lost City and you are posting from a lvl 30 Venomancer on Lost City.

    That makes TWO Venomancers on Lost City b:chuckle


    a level 30 is not a real character it is a joke made for the sole purpose of purging people outside west arch when i'm bored. besides the fact that if you were not illiterate i already stated multiple times that whether or not you believe what characters i have or whether or not i really have them is irrelevant to the issue.
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think this post just proved the OP is just making up stuff. b:shocked

    read above genius.
    Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    OP is so pwned !!!b:laugh

    Seriously, you will not be able to share items between 2 different accounts due to the technical and security issues involved.

    Thread so be moved to lower depths.

    Thank you for your contribution OP.

    technical=make item that can link 2 account stashes=not that difficult.

    security=password of the 2nd account you are logging into=dont share your freaking password=secure
  • Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

    security=password of the 2nd account you are logging into=dont share your freaking password=secure

    This doesnt mean that people still wont give out their passwords and/or get keyloggers without them knowing, meaning, cross-account account stashes would give whatever malicious person a free dine-out to whatever bound items is on their entire account. I think the people at pwe would rather have people with safer options. b:shocked
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This doesnt mean that people still wont give out their passwords and/or get keyloggers without them knowing, meaning, cross-account account stashes would give whatever malicious person a free dine-out to whatever bound items is on their entire account. I think the people at pwe would rather have people with safer options. b:shocked

    if you give out your password you deserve to get cleaned out. use antivirus program. if you get a keylogger you shouldnt be going to any cheat sites anyway.

    unless you are going to a cheat site and you somehow pick up a keylogger (which a common antivirus program will most likely block) there is a 99.9% chance the person wont give a damn about your PW account anyway.

    with your same logic everyone who is currently giving out their account info/getting keyloggers should be getting cleaned out. why are all these people not having their accounts cleaned out daily? you could already destroy all bound gear if you wanted to so using your flawed logic we are all doomed to have our accounts robbed and lose everything we have. omg run away run away.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    So... Let me get this straight. According to your own words, this game is easy. YET, you want to make it even more so by adding an item that allows you to move bound items anywhere you want them, as long as you claim the account belongs to you. Here's an idea. Why don't I unlock your high chair, stop feeding you while making airplane noises, and make you grow up? If it's sooooo easy, then get off your ****, use your "level 100" characters to farm the stuff your alts will need. That's the real solution here, not catering to your ever so important needs. You lose, good day, sir.
  • Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    you could already destroy all bound gear if you wanted to so using your flawed logic we are all doomed to have our accounts robbed and lose everything we have. omg run away run away.

    :p it happens a good deal, so not everyone has the best antivirus whatevers~
    and...bound gear doesnt destroy instantly. Most likely another security feature to prevent such things. Cross account stashes would just override that entirely, just enjoy the fact that you can help your chars with 2 computers.
  • Aindrias - Sanctuary
    Aindrias - Sanctuary Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    No more unneeded than the current account stash. How is it so ridiculous to want to transfer your items to your other characters the same as people who have all their's on 1 account are able to?

    So because you had a hard time transferring items before now you want to get even and have a huge advantage? You always had the option of buying yourself a 2nd computer. You just chose not to.

    Also you would be surprised how many people have multiple accounts.

    well look at it this way, you made two accounts to speed level and now we have 1 account to speed level with the ability to transfer bound gear because we were meant to have only ONE account not multiple to play this game
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  • Annastasia - Lost City
    Annastasia - Lost City Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Aindrias - Sanctuary wrote: »
    well look at it this way, you made two accounts to speed level and now we have 1 account to speed level with the ability to transfer bound gear because we were meant to have only ONE account not multiple to play this game

    i am trying to follow your logic. are you saying that players were only meant to have one account and only play one character before the account stash? and after the account stash was introduced, that opened it up for everyone to play mutiple characters?
  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Epic fail. I do not understand your logic. There is no intent on the part of Perfect World for you to have two accounts. That was your choice.
    Assuming your character information is real - debatable because you listed 8 Lost City characters and not one of them is the lv.30 venomancer you're posting with - you chose to create multiple accounts to help you level. That is fine. It is accepted and allowed. However, it is not a practice that PWI has been promoting or encouraged you to do. There is no reason why they should expect anyone to have more then one account. You took advantage of a system. You cannot expect the system to remain stagnant so that you continue to enjoy an indisputiable advantage. Nothing that you have worked for was taken away. You couldn't transfer bound gear before, and you knew this at the time. For you nothing has changed; people who keep in line with the system generally benefit as it improves. What's the problem?
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  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So... Let me get this straight. According to your own words, this game is easy. YET, you want to make it even more so by adding an item that allows you to move bound items anywhere you want them, as long as you claim the account belongs to you. Here's an idea. Why don't I unlock your high chair, stop feeding you while making airplane noises, and make you grow up? If it's sooooo easy, then get off your ****, use your "level 100" characters to farm the stuff your alts will need. That's the real solution here, not catering to your ever so important needs. You lose, good day, sir.


    ok now lets use your logic and point out all the holes in it...

    it has already been made easy for those who have all their characters on a single account so that argument is a complete FAIL. does anyone with characters on the same account have to refarm a 2nd set of equips?...NO at 3+ hour runs in TT and 1% drop rate thats an insane amount of time just to get the equipment then you have to add in an insane amount of coin/irl money to upgrade to a respectable level.

    seriously at least come up with a single valid point.
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    :p it happens a good deal, so not everyone has the best antivirus whatevers~
    and...bound gear doesnt destroy instantly. Most likely another security feature to prevent such things. Cross account stashes would just override that entirely, just enjoy the fact that you can help your chars with 2 computers.

    do you understand the experience system on this game at all? if i use a level 100 to kill mobs a low level character gets virtually 0 experience from each kill. even with the increased kill speed you get at most 5% of the experience/hour you would get by killing your own mobs solo on the new character.

    if you dont go to infected sites/open infected programs there is no chance of getting a virus/keylogger in the first place so your argument on who has a decent antivirus program is also FAIL. stay off bot/cheat sites and warez sites and you will never have an issue.
    Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »
    When I think about this issue, I do not agree with you :

    I think they introduced account stash so that people would have a reason to put another important character on the same account rather than just making a new account for every character. I think your suggestion would defeat the reason they made account stashes.

    if they had a problem with people making extra accounts there would be a rule against it. since there is not they have no issue with however many accounts people make...nice try though
    Aindrias - Sanctuary wrote: »
    well look at it this way, you made two accounts to speed level and now we have 1 account to speed level with the ability to transfer bound gear because we were meant to have only ONE account not multiple to play this game

    if you were meant to only have a single account there would be a rule against multiple accounts. there is no rule against multiple accounts as i have already said so that argument is FAIL from the start. Because of the experience system on this game there is no speed leveling system by using 2 accounts. FAIL AGAIN
  • maocchi
    maocchi Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    ok now lets use your logic and point out all the holes in it...

    it has already been made easy for those who have all their characters on a single account so that argument is a complete FAIL. does anyone with characters on the same account have to refarm a 2nd set of equips?...NO at 3+ hour runs in TT and 1% drop rate thats an insane amount of time just to get the equipment then you have to add in an insane amount of coin/irl money to upgrade to a respectable level.

    "Logic" says that's your own fault. Why are you crying again?

    Also, your argument made no sense against what you quoted.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit, just seriously stop before you hurt yourself.

    - You made multiple accounts for multiple characters. This was your choice and your choice alone. Why should we, those who kept their characters to one account, have to suffer, have our items taken away from us or have to have our items edited, because you made a multiple account and now don't think it's fair that you cannot transfer equipment as easily as us?

    Excluding bound equipment from this argument, you can do the same thing. You can farm TT for one of your characters, make their equipment and then trade it to another character. Why are you crying that we can do exactly the same thing without needing two computers? And frankly, I find being able to trade bound items between characters on the same account just fine. It's like rewarding you for keeping to one account, in a way.

    - If it's so easy for you to level a character to 100, why don't you just make a character you will play often on one of your accounts, and then go ahead and use an account stash stone?

    After all, if it's that easy and you just want it even easier I'm not seeing the problem.

    - You have 8 characters on Lost City. This means you either have one account that they are all on [and thus, no reason to complain... at all] and then one random account with this level thirty venomancer on it or you are lying. Neither option looks very good when you come here complaining that you no longer get the game quite as easy and demand some kind of retribution because of such.

    - You come here, to the forums, complaining and whining, and then when everybody tells you why your logic is flawed, why you shouldn't be complaining and why your suggestion does not work nor will be implemented, you give nothing but failed arguments in return, claiming that it is in fact they who fail and that it is they who have poor logic.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    So please, for your own sake if not for the sake of this forum, just GTFO. Your suggestion is flawed on so many levels it's not even real, and you refuse to accept this even when nearly every person on here has told you so as well as explaining why.

    Accept defeat gracefully.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's pretty simple.

    The account stash allows you to trade no-trade items between characters on your account. Effectively, PWE is saying no-trade items shouldn't be traded between different players, but trading no-trade items being between characters played by the same player is ok. The new "does not go into account stash" flag distinguishes items they don't want being traded between characters at all, regardless of who plays them.

    Now consider the case of the same player playing two different accounts. If you can come up with a fool-proof way to allow one person with two accounts to trade no-trade items between those accounts, but which prevents two different people with two accounts from trading no-trade items between those accounts, then send it in to PWE so they can implement it. If not, then it isn't going to happen. (It's not going to happen because people lie, so it's impossible to distinguish between those two cases.)
  • HeavensWing - Sanctuary
    HeavensWing - Sanctuary Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    This would balance the playing field between players instead of giving a serious advantage to those that made all their characters on a single account. It is very time consuming and expensive to farm/upgrade high end equipment. Giving only certain players the ability to gear and level their new characters with minimal effort is a slap in the face to the rest of your player base.

    See, when you replied to my second part of my post. THIS was the part I was talking about. So yeah, I wasn't agree with you, I was putting my opinion on THIS part of the post


    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Epic fail. I do not understand your logic. There is no intent on the part of Perfect World for you to have two accounts. That was your choice.
    Assuming your character information is real - debatable because you listed 8 Lost City characters and not one of them is the lv.30 venomancer you're posting with - you chose to create multiple accounts to help you level. That is fine. It is accepted and allowed. However, it is not a practice that PWI has been promoting or encouraged you to do. There is no reason why they should expect anyone to have more then one account. You took advantage of a system. You cannot expect the system to remain stagnant so that you continue to enjoy an indisputiable advantage. Nothing that you have worked for was taken away. You couldn't transfer bound gear before, and you knew this at the time. For you nothing has changed; people who keep in line with the system generally benefit as it improves. What's the problem?

    Edit: Oh my, didnt read this post.
    This one raps it up anyway, Theres a perfectly worded/detailed post on why your suggestion is fail. Thank you, and good night :)
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  • HeavensWing - Sanctuary
    HeavensWing - Sanctuary Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    if you dont go to infected sites/open infected programs there is no chance of getting a virus/keylogger in the first place so your argument on who has a decent antivirus program is also FAIL. stay off bot/cheat sites and warez sites and you will never have an issue.

    No sir, you fail. This part of your post was just another example. Who says its just bot/cheat sites? ANY Site could have a Easy-to-catch Virus on it. EVEN THIS SITE, yeah you think it wouldn't because it looks used and pretty rely-able. But who said thats the case? Anyone could have a virus and not know it, from any site.


    ...Edit: I just realized I made a double post..my bad. Im a bit tired <.>
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    As for Shadow Escape. "I am sin, I Shadow Escape on a boss, Boss attacks cleric and squad wipes. Lolol im pro fish".


    ^ So pro b:victory ^
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Foxgrit, just seriously stop before you hurt yourself.

    - You made multiple accounts for multiple characters. This was your choice and your choice alone. Why should we, those who kept their characters to one account, have to suffer, have our items taken away from us or have to have our items edited, because you made a multiple account and now don't think it's fair that you cannot transfer equipment as easily as us?

    Excluding bound equipment from this argument, you can do the same thing. You can farm TT for one of your characters, make their equipment and then trade it to another character. Why are you crying that we can do exactly the same thing without needing two computers? And frankly, I find being able to trade bound items between characters on the same account just fine. It's like rewarding you for keeping to one account, in a way.

    - If it's so easy for you to level a character to 100, why don't you just make a character you will play often on one of your accounts, and then go ahead and use an account stash stone?

    After all, if it's that easy and you just want it even easier I'm not seeing the problem.

    - You have 8 characters on Lost City. This means you either have one account that they are all on [and thus, no reason to complain... at all] and then one random account with this level thirty venomancer on it or you are lying. Neither option looks very good when you come here complaining that you no longer get the game quite as easy and demand some kind of retribution because of such.

    - You come here, to the forums, complaining and whining, and then when everybody tells you why your logic is flawed, why you shouldn't be complaining and why your suggestion does not work nor will be implemented, you give nothing but failed arguments in return, claiming that it is in fact they who fail and that it is they who have poor logic.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    So please, for your own sake if not for the sake of this forum, just GTFO. Your suggestion is flawed on so many levels it's not even real, and you refuse to accept this even when nearly every person on here has told you so as well as explaining why.

    Accept defeat gracefully.

    1st off no one said you had to suffer/have items taken away/have items edited. learn to read.

    every piece of TT equipment 99+ is force bound so that argument is a complete fail as well.

    why should there be a reward (especially such a unbalancing reward) for those who kept all characters on the same account when there is absolutely no rule against multiple accounts and not even a suggestion that you should keep all your characters to 1 account.

    why should i have to relevel multiple new characters when there is a much simpler way which would also make PWI more money?

    no one has come up with a valid reason why this is not a decent idea. everyone just keeps rehashing the same idiotic arguments...

    no i'z will lose my stuff cuz i like to go to ****/warez sites
    no i'z like my advantage and you go farm/upgrade a new set noob
    you have no level 100 character
    go relevel a bunch of new characters
    your fault you made multiple accounts

    seriously at least someone come up with an original argument or at least 1 single valid point on how this is in any way such a horrible thing.

    you have your narrowminded ideas with 0 facts to back them up. of course you would find allowing only trading of bound items between 1 account a good idea because thats what you have. all you are thinking about is yourself. i am thinking about all the people who have multiple accounts and their are a lot of them. i am also thinking about how PWI could make extra money off of this option. you dont care about anyone except for yourself or you wouldnt be raging so hard against a completely valid idea that has no downsides.

    you cant count people who give away their logins or get keyloggers losing items as a downside. they made the choice to give out their logins or go to cheat/warez sites or open unknown files without a decent antivirus program which is the only way they will get a keylogger. it is impossible to get a virus/keylogger if you stay away from these types of sites. they are illegal in the first place so why should anyone feel sorry for those that lose things as a consequence of their illegal activities. even if they hypothetically could get a keylogger under normal circumstances the odds of the person farming the information actually caring about your PWI account/items is so remote that the odds cant even be calculated that low.

    for another of the failed incoherent arguments...

    it really doesnt matter what level my characters truly are on whether or not this idea has any merit. think about this one for a second...if i didnt have a level 100 and be able to gain value from it would i be pushing the issue so much? if i did not have other high level characters that would be able to share equips would i have a reason to push this issue?
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's pretty simple.

    The account stash allows you to trade no-trade items between characters on your account. Effectively, PWE is saying no-trade items shouldn't be traded between different players, but trading no-trade items being between characters played by the same player is ok. The new "does not go into account stash" flag distinguishes items they don't want being traded between characters at all, regardless of who plays them.

    Now consider the case of the same player playing two different accounts. If you can come up with a fool-proof way to allow one person with two accounts to trade no-trade items between those accounts, but which prevents two different people with two accounts from trading no-trade items between those accounts, then send it in to PWE so they can implement it. If not, then it isn't going to happen. (It's not going to happen because people lie, so it's impossible to distinguish between those two cases.)

    i understand your point and that is why i said you need the logins for the second account you are trying to trade between. no one should be giving out their logins so you will only be able to trade between your own characters. i am not saying make it so all items can freely be traded to anyone. only between an individuals own accounts that they themselves have the logins to. could even make it a permanent link between 2 accounts stashes by making you buy a new item to link the 2 specific accounts only.

    if it is a permanent link between stashes then even if someone wanted to give out their logs temporarily then change it after a trade the link between the stashes would always be in place. thus making both sides account stashes unsecure and unusable. that in itself should prevent anyone from wanting to give out their login information for trading between other people.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    wall of text, senseless QQ, bullcrap, whatever you want to call it

    Okay, so according to your own post:

    - The potential ability for people to **** into and steal things if this system is put into use is not a serious issue or valid argument.

    - The fact it would be incredibly difficult to code in such a way that guarantees that both accounts are yours is not a serious issue of valid argument.

    - The fact that it was your choice to make multiple accounts (rules have nothing to do with this and you were stupid to bring them into play when nobody ever even brought rules up in the first place) has absolutely nothing to do with it at all, right?

    - You completely ignore the fact that you are either lying about your alts or you already have one account that has several characters on it. Why for, I wonder?

    You say people who give away logins had that choice to do so. Guess what, you moron, you had a choice to stick to one account

    The only person crying in this thread is you. We, people who stuck to one account, are telling you why your idea fails so badly and it is your own narrowminded ideas that keep you from realising we all have very valid points and it is your your own narrowminded opinion which stops you from understanding this.

    Don't you accuse other people of being narrowminded when it is in fact you at fault. Don't accuse other people of QQing when in fact it is you who is complaining.

    And don't ask for something so difficult to guarantee safety in working properly and then scream that nobody has a valid point when we tell you this.

    Because you're making yourself look like an ignorant fool.
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  • DivineMaiden - Dreamweaver
    DivineMaiden - Dreamweaver Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Instead of suggesting a multiple-account stash..why not just ask for an item to move/trade characters from different accounts since apparently you think having multiple characters on a single account is such a BIG advantage?

    Isn't it unfair if you can trade bound between different account AND able to lvl yourself with 2 account?

    Then again there properly already a debate thread against that too
    b:bye
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  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Epic fail. I do not understand your logic. There is no intent on the part of Perfect World for you to have two accounts. That was your choice.
    Assuming your character information is real - debatable because you listed 8 Lost City characters and not one of them is the lv.30 venomancer you're posting with - you chose to create multiple accounts to help you level. That is fine. It is accepted and allowed. However, it is not a practice that PWI has been promoting or encouraged you to do. There is no reason why they should expect anyone to have more then one account. You took advantage of a system. You cannot expect the system to remain stagnant so that you continue to enjoy an indisputiable advantage. Nothing that you have worked for was taken away. You couldn't transfer bound gear before, and you knew this at the time. For you nothing has changed; people who keep in line with the system generally benefit as it improves. What's the problem?


    there was no intent on their part to discourage multiple accounts either. see above for idiotic references to character levels and leveling help. there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself. that is the only real advantage.

    you are right you couldnt transfer bound gear before and neither could people with all their characters on a single account. the change was made after 1.5 years of the game being released and that is only if you count this single version. this change gave a huge advantage to only some of the player base while ignoring the rest. you would be surprised how many people have multiple accounts for each character and no i am not talking about shared/inherited accounts.
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    DivineMaiden - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Instead of suggesting a multiple-account stash..why not just ask for an item to move/trade characters from different accounts since apparently you think having multiple characters on a single account is such a BIG advantage?

    Isn't it unfair if you can trade bound between different account AND able to lvl yourself with 2 account?

    Then again there properly already a debate thread against that too
    b:bye

    try using a level 100 character in party with a level 1. i am not going to waste the effort checking it but i can tell you pretty much how that would work. kill a level 100 mob... lvl 100 gets 499 xp lvl 1 gets 1 xp

    this games experience system is made so that powerleveling does not work efficiently.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    there was no intent on their part to discourage multiple accounts either. see above for idiotic references to character levels and leveling help. there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself. that is the only real advantage.

    Then why did you start multiple accounts?

    You're a few splinters short of a plank of wood, Foxgrit. Perhaps learn to read and understand what people say before accusing them of being QQers and narrowminded. Or maybe take a look in the mirror.

    Your intelligence is lower than that of a rock. I think I am quite done with this thread.
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  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then why did you start multiple accounts?

    You're a few splinters short of a plank of wood, Foxgrit. Perhaps learn to read and understand what people say before accusing them of being QQers and narrowminded. Or maybe take a look in the mirror.

    Your intelligence is lower than that of a rock. I think I am quite done with this thread.

    read your own quote or do you selectively read only parts that you want.
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself.

    does that answer your question?
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself.

    Other than the ability to level one of your low characters while on your high level one. I tried it. If I recall, I leveled an alt of mine from 1-50ish in a pretty short amount of time using my lvl 93 veno at the time.
    The ability to transfer non-bound items between characters bypassing the mailing fee. One advantage not available to those without two computers and two accounts until account stash. Seeing that you got a high level veno on your account, you also have the ability to solo most of your alt's boss quests as well as most FBs. No need for HP pots/save charms when grinding since you have the ability to hover a cleric over your grinding character. One of the biggest adv. of being able to log onto another character while you're on your main is the ability to have a 24/7 catshop.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Wow guys. You have been trolled. I commend you, Foxgrits. Immaculate trolling. Truely a master of the art.
    I honestly don't think anyone could be as stupid as Foxgrits.

    So there you have it

    /thread
    Koiz - omfg my life is now complete
    Shevanel - haha oh?
    ~~~
    Koiz - i took this massive dump
    Koiz - while listening to im on a boat hahahah
    Shevanel - hahahahaha
    Shevanel - haha
    Shevanel - Oh wow

    Certain levels of Boredom..
    ThaMessiah: I'd rather endlessly wack it till I shot a load that hits my ceiling than do a 3-2
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself. that is the only real advantage.

    ok so then....youve never done your alts quests with your main? youve never done youre BHs and FBs for your alt on your main? then 1. youre ****, becasue i sure as hell would be. and 2. then why did you go through the trouble of making a different account for each character?

    i just spent to much of my life life reading this whole thread and the first thing ive noticed is NOBODY AGREES WITH YOU! so maybe...just MAYBE, you can swallow your pride and admit you are wrong. the programmers obviously didnt intend you to have the ability to play more then 1 character at a time. if they did they would allow you to play them on the same account. but theres nothing they can do about the very many people on this game that worked around that the way you have. so why should those people be rewarded?

    so then lets add something to your very first post in this topic. IF they did everything you ask for, then should they not also make it availible to play more then one character at a time on the same account. other wise it would be giving the duel accounters an advantage over the people who play the game the way it was intended to be played.

    so you had a choice. be able to play 2 characters at the same time....or.... be able to trade bound items to 2 players that can not play at the same time.

    NOW your argument on that was you made the decision before the account stash came out. well, you thought you were outsmarting the system by making different acounts. and now you are being ***** slapped. to me this is alot like someone cheating on thier taxes and not informing the government on thier whole income as to pay less taxes. THEN when its time for everyone to get taxes back you ***** that youre not getting back as much as everyone else becasue you lied and didnt pay all your taxes. go ahead, cheat the system all you want. but understand that when then the reason you dont get a certain advantage is becasue you played out side the box ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT!

    im sorry for this rediculously long post. but i think ive made a solid argument that everyone but you in this thread would back me up on. thank you come again.
  • Chyanty - Sanctuary
    Chyanty - Sanctuary Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    And so Foxgrit do you always want everything in life just handed to you for your own convenience?

    I'm with all who have stated that you have entirely too much time in game... you should get of the house sometimes, there's the whole big wide world out there. Oh but wait... it's such a scary world out there maybe I'll just stay in my own little "Perfect World."

    Sorry for being off topic. b:bye
  • Ranfa - Dreamweaver
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    1st off how much "skill" does it take to log on a character for 10 minutes and do daily after 30? That is all the effort i had to put into a lot of them. Go add up all the xp from dailies for over a year and see what you come up with. Most of them dont even have that much effort put into them.
    If you insist. I've looked up total amount of exp needed for each levels and calculated how many days it would take to level based on daily CS listed on pwdatabase (which I assume is the "only" thing you did on many of them since you said "log in for 10 minutes"). No BH or WQ or whatever. Numbers are rounded up to the closest decimal so it is pretty accurate.

    So in a nutshell:
    lvl 30-40 -> 47 days
    lvl 40-50 -> 54 days
    lvl 50-60 -> 76 days
    lvl 60-70 -> 119 days
    lvl 70-80 -> 191 days
    lvl 80-85 -> 149 days
    lv...oh wait what's this?
    47+54+76+119+191+149 = 636 days.
    Wow that seems a lot more than a year. How long has this game been out for again?

    Now let's see what alts you supposedly have:
    LC
    100 veno
    94 bm
    88 barb
    65 mage
    60 sin
    58 bm
    55 psy

    HL
    93 veno
    84 barb
    60 bm
    So essentially you have 5 high level alts that you must have worked hard on simultaneously up to this point. Yes, that takes a skill AND loads of free time. Yay for extreme multi-tasking? Where did you get the extra arms?

    Sarcasm aside, I'm afraid I have to call you a liar and that your credibility on anything you've said is next to none. b:bye
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If you insist. I've looked up total amount of exp needed for each levels and calculated how many days it would take to level based on daily CS listed on pwdatabase (which I assume is the "only" thing you did on many of them since you said "log in for 10 minutes"). No BH or WQ or whatever. Numbers are rounded up to the closest decimal so it is pretty accurate.

    So in a nutshell:
    lvl 30-40 -> 47 days
    lvl 40-50 -> 54 days
    lvl 50-60 -> 76 days
    lvl 60-70 -> 119 days
    lvl 70-80 -> 191 days
    lvl 80-85 -> 149 days
    lv...oh wait what's this?
    47+54+76+119+191+149 = 636 days.
    Wow that seems a lot more than a year. How long has this game been out for again?

    Now let's see what alts you supposedly have:

    So essentially you have 5 high level alts that you must have worked hard on simultaneously up to this point. Yes, that takes a skill AND loads of free time. Yay for extreme multi-tasking? Where did you get the extra arms?

    Sarcasm aside, I'm afraid I have to call you a liar and that your credibility on anything you've said is next to none. b:bye

    LMAO! thats a long ways to go to prove someone wrong but damn its funny. but on the other hand i know how he he could have so many characters at high level. BECAUSE HES FOCKING MULTI CLIENTING! even though "there is no real substantial advantage to having multiple accounts other than being able to buff yourself. that is the only real advantage."
  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Okay, so according to your own post:

    - The potential ability for people to **** into and steal things if this system is put into use is not a serious issue or valid argument.

    - The fact it would be incredibly difficult to code in such a way that guarantees that both accounts are yours is not a serious issue of valid argument.

    - The fact that it was your choice to make multiple accounts (rules have nothing to do with this and you were stupid to bring them into play when nobody ever even brought rules up in the first place) has absolutely nothing to do with it at all, right?

    - You completely ignore the fact that you are either lying about your alts or you already have one account that has several characters on it. Why for, I wonder?

    You say people who give away logins had that choice to do so. Guess what, you moron, you had a choice to stick to one account

    The only person crying in this thread is you. We, people who stuck to one account, are telling you why your idea fails so badly and it is your own narrowminded ideas that keep you from realising we all have very valid points and it is your your own narrowminded opinion which stops you from understanding this.

    Don't you accuse other people of being narrowminded when it is in fact you at fault. Don't accuse other people of QQing when in fact it is you who is complaining.

    And don't ask for something so difficult to guarantee safety in working properly and then scream that nobody has a valid point when we tell you this.

    Because you're making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

    i'll agree with your 1st point that hacking is NOT a serious issue.

    never said it would be incredibly difficult to code. i personally think it would be rather easy as far as programming goes to set this up.
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Epic fail. I do not understand your logic. There is no intent on the part of Perfect World for you to have two accounts. That was your choice.
    Assuming your character information is real - debatable because you listed 8 Lost City characters and not one of them is the lv.30 venomancer you're posting with - you chose to create multiple accounts to help you level. That is fine. It is accepted and allowed. However, it is not a practice that PWI has been promoting or encouraged you to do. There is no reason why they should expect anyone to have more then one account. You took advantage of a system. You cannot expect the system to remain stagnant so that you continue to enjoy an indisputiable advantage. Nothing that you have worked for was taken away. You couldn't transfer bound gear before, and you knew this at the time. For you nothing has changed; people who keep in line with the system generally benefit as it improves. What's the problem?

    saying there was no intent of PWI for anyone to have multiple accounts and saying it is against the system to have multiple accounts. try again...

    where do you get any proof that i am either lying about my characters or already have multiple characters on an account? the FACT still remains that this is totally irrelevant to the issue and idiots like you cant seem to get off the fact that i have no need to prove my characters to anyone let alone you. you keep trying to throw out your disbelief of my characters to nullify my position. what you dont realize is that it only shows you are grasping at straws to destroy a stronger position. what would it prove if i logged on each and every one of my characters i have claimed? that i truly do have them? how does that change the facts of the issue i am bringing up? guess what it doesnt. change the subject all you want it just shows you have no valid arguments against it.

    i'll concede the point that i had the choice of using 1 account or making multiple accounts. this one has been asked and answered multiple times as to what the only true advantage to multiple accounts is. that is the reason i made multiple accounts. if you dont know go read. i'm getting bored having to repeat myself over and over for the same boring arguments you keep making, especially when they are flawed from the start.

    if you are that confused you cant tell the difference between crying and bringing up a valid point you need to go back to preschool. i have kept every post civil unlike some of you that are on a crusade saying how horrible this is. find me even a single post where i am narrowminded? every single post you make is narrowminded and recycles the same old failed arguments... seriously whether or not i prove all my characters levels has nothing to do with the issue. how far do you need to grasp for straws to try to come up with an argument?

    i havent complained once. only stating simple facts to start out. after that all i have done is refute all the failed arguments against it. go back to your imaginary world where you can see what you want instead of reading what is actually in front of your face.

    give even one reason how this would be difficult to guarantee safety? just one or is that too difficult for you?

    the ignorance is on your part. raging so much over a simple thing that affects you in no way whatsoever. i'd like to see one even semi-valid thing you have against this. how will it hurt you in any way if this was implemented? oh damn it wont guess you going to have a really hard time coming up with one.

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