Sharing Common Knowledge

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you're a veno, you should know when to kite and the mobs should be well past the BMs to use DR, otherwise your timing and anticipation is well off. If you have a pet with bash you can pull with tame/EF, they get one hit off at most, kite, send the pet off to bash, and watch as the mob gets turned, itself, while running after you. There you go, no BM necessary. If you want a visual tutorial of this I can show you myself with my veno. If the veno is not far enough away so that the BM or whoever can turn mobs, if not turn the mobs themselves, then the veno gets hit until they figure it out. Simple as that.

Having the veno do all that is slow and inefficient compared to a BM doing it.

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ladykirika

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I wish someone had told me the difference between freeze, sleep, stun, and seal.

So... for the less educated, what is the difference between them? b:sad

Limeball - Heavens Tear

Ragesh - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You admitted to having a veno, hence you can not possibly be pro enough to have knowledge of other classes. Specially not when it seems it's always the venos fault when something goes wrong. Or the clerics. Or whoever else cept the person complaining.

Hi Ragesh, it's Reikara. After getting to 90+ and you've done enough instances, even though you may not have played other classes to a high enough level you understand at least some of the other classes skills and their effects, especially the ones most important to keeping your squad alive.

Although I do have a BM alt, I don't think anyone's getting it. I was never reffering to ranged mobs to begin with, and stated that a few times. When you've got a BM in your squad, and a robed venomancer with low HP (2 hit kill), if he's letting a close range mob (melee) run past him and hit the veno then obviously something's very wrong.

It's happened so many times in the BH squads i've been in. Even if the mobs were ranged, all you need to do is make sure the veno is running further back so that the mob will reach you, stun it, then attack from behind it so it won't run back into more mobs.

Ragesh - Heavens Tear

Limeball - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hi Ragesh, it's Reikara.

I know it's you.. maybe my sarcasm drips are clogged, wasn't aiming that at you b:kiss

So far I have whole heartedly agreed with your complaints about the lack of catchage, be it a barb, bm, archer... other venos luckily tend to catch if they're awake. Most likely cause they know certain mobs have a tendency to hurt quite a bit, specially if the veno is arcane (as I am). I'm not even going to touch on the subject of them not knowing what mobs are melee, ranged, runners..

I've mostly given up on doing any random BH's due to the lack of knowledge, skill and general laziness of other ppl in the squad. They see a herc veno and suddenly I'm the one doing most of the work (lure, catch, tank) while they sit around wondering why it's taking so long. Or alternatively.. they manage to aggro half the mobs and then complain cause I can't catch all of them before they die. Meh.

The flip side of the coin is when trying to do a BH on an alt -> people rarely take advice or suggestions on how to do an instance when it comes from the lowest level in the squad. b:beatup

Aya__ - Heavens Tear

GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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FB79 and Eden are a pain for runners, and yes you let them pass you before grabbing agro.
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after unwined 79 i maxed silent seal immediately, at the trainer in dreamveawer...
heres few things that im sure of and maybe will help someone:
paralyse - stops mob at place where it is. you can hit it, it can hit you. just cant move - ideal for runners
sleep - seals the mob. it cant use skills, and cant take hits too: useful when you want to deal only with one mob at a time, useless for runners (first hit by anyone dispels)
stun: lovely stops mob in place, you can hit as much as you want. good for all occassions, pity it doesnt work on bossess
knowckback: perfect for open terrain, pushes mobs away from squishy. NOT used for runners - they just bring in their friends for party wipe that faster.
on that note: unwined stygean run. we didnt have bm so i tried to paralyze as often as i could... but someone was using knockback all the time, with predictable results at first it was: whos using knockback? then: stop using knockback! then: Aya, stop using knockback right now! (they knew i have it on genie) i was like wth by then, wasnt me, i was just paralysing, see purple circle?... turned out it was wizzy... she just used her standard macro and never noticed its HER skill that pushes mob back. how can 70+ wiz not know wop is a knockback????!!!!

_Surreal_ - Heavens Tear

Ayab:dirtyb:cute

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

ladykirika wrote: »

So... for the less educated, what is the difference between them? b:sad

I find it quite amusing, even a bit hypocritical, that a thread about sharing common knowledge, isnt actually sharing the common knowledge when the question is posed. Instead everyone continued on their trolling aggenda. b:chuckle

To answer the question;
Stun - Cannot use skills/attack and cannot move. Cannot be broken (except genies).
Sleep - Cannot use skills/attack and cannot move. Is broken when attacked.
Seal - Can move, but cannot use skill/attack. Also called Silence.
Freeze - Can use skills/attack, but cannot move. Also called Paralyze.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Having the veno do all that is slow and inefficient compared to a BM doing it.

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Low odds of running into a BM that can hit those kiting mobs and make them kite the right way. If efficient is a euphemism for leeroy, then you're right.

Aya__ - Heavens Tear

_Surreal_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ayab:dirtyb:cute

Surr b:kiss

Aya__ - Heavens Tear

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I find it quite amusing, even a bit hypocritical, that a thread about sharing common knowledge, isnt actually sharing the common knowledge when the question is posed. Instead everyone continued on their trolling aggenda. b:chuckle

but i did tell and i didnt troll... b:avoid
then again maybe not b:shutup

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

ICETANK ICETANK ICETANK b:victory

IceTank - Heavens Tear

Mono! How you been buddy? How has HT been lately? I see all the oldies but goodies are still here. b:bye

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

okaj ice this was before the message on facebook.. erm.. srsly I wanted to reply on Ty's post xD

okaj i go do that now b:dirty