Nefarious discussion

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not into the whole loyalty to a guild name thing, I prefer loyalty to friends. After anni packs came out a lot of people showed their true colours. Me and my main friends pretty much quit then and there but some changed for the worse.


I do kind of put on a little nostalgic protection in that anyone from a guild I was in before won't be a target to me in pk. That protection goes as soon as they hit me though.

I must say I'm pretty much the same . Half or more of leg didn't actually like me , and I didn't like them . I'm not really into the : " Oh hail the faction's name ! The mighty Legendary , Nefarious , Regicide etc ". A faction's name doesn't mean that much at all and there's plenty of proof of this . Here take nef , every1 was saying good things about it in the past , now I hear the opposite OR in leg's case I can personally say it became a BS of a faction when the mass quitting was done when anni packs came and lost what was left of it's good players either due to quitting or leaving faction since it wasn't the leg they knew anymore .

It's the good crew that keep's the ship sailing and if that crew get's replaced by an incompetent one the ship will sink along with them .

Just my 2 cents .

and .... EASY ON DA FLAMEZ! b:shocked

Herne_Hunter - Sanctuary

isnt that something we all have been saying over these years, its not the name of the faction, its the people within a faction, that actually makes it home and makes you play the game in a relaxed manner. But sadly, most of the noobs today think that land which more lands are the best guilds to go to. Well doesnt make a difference anymore, i just come here when i have nothing better to do. Hope ya'll doing good out here

VenusFox - Sanctuary

Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your alts bids are just another shining example of it. If you guys were so damn unbeatable, why is there at least on alt bid from you guys every week? Yeah gg, you figured out to avoid being traced by the GM's when using your alt factions, you all are so impressive. "'Hello pot' 'Hello kettle'"

Don’t you think if Nefarious did alt bids that we would have already put a stop to the triple attacks? How many weeks now has this happened to Nef? Seems to only make sense that it would have been taken care of by now, I mean it’s not that difficult for figure out.

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, I'd like to know the alt faction bidding as well. Oh wait, I already know them; scratch that idea nor does it take much to figure out which or you just happen to be in the right place at the right time. *Accusation* At least Milyen can stop using "Oz" to place fake bids, according to the GM's guideline, now that his alt is gone and I'm back home.

Yes, Nef has alts in other factions and probably takes info from there. I've forgotten which factions I found had, say, Templar's alt and they even knew about it. You can't say it's not playing fair when all the factions do it. Lol, "all's fair in love and war." Until the GMs come in and kick you in the face, that is. b:shocked

Hmm Oz is an alt faction that bids to help Nef out? Wow when? I don’t recall them being a weekly, biweekly or even often bidder on any land. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this faction yours or did I read the above quote incorrectly?
As far as alts characters idk it was against the rules to have alts. I mean you can make what 6 different characters on each account and that’s without making a new account.

Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »

But tell me TP, if we have a screenshot of evga telling the leader of GBLegion or w/e they are called to place a bid on a certain land held by Nef, how can you deny that? I bet you will still try Accept it, your faction doesn't fight fair. If Nef was unbeatable they wouldn't need to alter bids at all, now would they? ^_^

KK I’ll call your bluff. Post it.

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

The "Oz" leader, Flurple, is controlled by several since they don't want a real leader there to begin with. Nonetheless, a fake bid is classified as:

A faction with 20 people or less
A faction "giving up" a land to another faction
A faction that does not stand a chance
A bid meant as "TW practice"
A bid meant to "protect" a land from another faction/ bid

Forgot a couple of the others the GM had mailed back as a response.

Sorry Xoria but I think that the one you have highlighted would account for many if not most of the bids placed on Nef. So you’re saying all these bids were placed by Nef alts or paid for by Nef? I truly must have read your comment incorrectly bc that’s just crazy. In fact Xoria common members have placed tickets on factions that no show or bring only >10 players. FrostKiller is correct it’s annoying to say the least having to prepare for a no show TW.

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

arjo wrote: »

where all that munnies goes? u get WAY over 200mil each week...is like 800mil close?or 1 billion? u do know rising that u get extra money from winnig the war!??higher the bid is more u get!

just asking out of curiosity...what kind of gears milyen got? and other question....just throwing this..is it nef that keeps gold prices up?i mean...since u guys r rich (or at least ur guild(leader) is)...it wud help u(r guild(leader)).....b:shutup

*raises an eyebrow* I hope you're not trying to say Milyen got his good gear using the guild bank? Though we have bad blood between us at the current time, the guy isn't a thief. He got his bad **** gear before taking leadership.

Thank you, Xoria. Mily may be many things to many different ppl but one thing he is not is a theif.

Xaro$ - Sanctuary wrote: »

To people thinking Nef places fake bids: I was in Nef for a very long period of time and to my knowledge they never made any fake bids. I mean they could've used eminence to help bid if they really wanted to. I could be wrong i was never an officer.

First of all, Xaro$ I had tons of fun being in your squad the few times I was, and it sucks you’re not in Nef any more, I considered you to be one of the better members. But in regard to the above, it would be impossible for Emi to bid on Nef without Nef or Emi or both being ban bc GMs know of the relationship between the two factions.

ScarletSin_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Honey, read again - I dont think I ever referred to you as a "victim"... I respect you greatly and I think Nefarious lost out when they lost you.

I couldn’t agree more.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL at nef-keeping-gold-prices-up theories...they're called packs, boxes, whatever the **** pwi decided to call them.

Agreed. If you notice the price of gold goes sky high when a preferred item is being sold. Has nothing to do with Nef, Regi or any other faction. Inflated gold prices, has to do with individual players own greed.

_Sheh - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nefarious and Outlaw were known for their Fake Bids. Argue all you want, try to justify it however you like, in the end, people who don't know shiit still won't, and those of us who knew what really went on behind the scenes will have to deal with closed-minded people who just don't get the logic behind what we're trying to tell them.

/enddiscussion?

So now Outlaw fake bids too? Really? I didn’t know Liquid and Amplified were in cahoots with Outlaw. Better let turook know bc I don’t think he’s aware of it either.

BTW, sry for the overly huge post, didn't have time to finish reading this thread yesterday let alone comment on much of it.. As said previously, flame on.. ** sits back and munches on brownies **

Herne_Hunter - Sanctuary

wowowowoow lots i missed i see. Well for a start, nef with alt bids, thats something i would really not believe. While my game play i do try to be observant, and yeah if you judge alt factions by there refund value, that wouldnt be the best thing, cause it takes in consideration a lot of aspects, my faction Helpful, did a bid on the new lands for fun, quote *Fun* just like we never won bid cause i never meant to go for those lands, anyways at that time the max refund showing was the highest. Ironically i just got 10 guild mates who are active out of my 200 odd spots, so i would really think twice before i decide on fake factions just based on max refunds. But on the other hand Xoria's information have seldom been wrong, but yeah again here i would deny to the fact that Templar has an alt which he uses for fake bids, no that's totally wrong. I guess i know him well enough, and he wouldnt do such cheap stuff, i also remember during the time of devalis, that Crazylove, alt faction to RonPott and Vahnellia (spelling might be wrong) was used to bid on other faction to bid along side nef on Legendary,

As for the rules for fake bids, it solely depends on the GM's, if a few people might remember Veekee88 got banned for outbidding Leg on nef lands, that wasnt supposed to be a fake bid, he had bidded on nef just like that, legendary land piece was just a mere co-incident, or rather heat of the moment effect.

Yeah, Outlaw was famous for it's fake bids, i really feel sad to say this about one of the few factions i really like, but yeah Greyfangs had used his friends guilds to bid on us, and he was banned for it, during which time i did speak to GM's and tried to understand the rules, which were complicated as hell.

Anyways, its no point accusing each other, at the end of the day we all are humans, this game is for fun not for stupid fights. And if you really wanted to stop nef, i would say do something substantial rather than discussing what nef has done, if you think nef got a bad leader who is worst than Devalis, then why dont you go ahead and prove your point on the map rather than talking here ? i mean one thing is for sure, nef got majority lands, they got all special apoth lands, they do have a lot of experienced people, i mean i would suggest go and start gearing up to do the ultimate fight agaisnt nef if your really mean to... these discussions are just good for trolls like me when we are at work and can't play the game .........

Swaze - Sanctuary

All this discussion about nef is distracting us from the real threat...



Crotch Bomb TERRORISTS

TheDan - Sanctuary

Swaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

All this discussion about nef is distracting us from the real threat...



Crotch Bomb TERRORISTS

Lmao! and I thought shoe bomb terrorists were bad b:surrender

And btw I all the mass pk wars nef enely regi and others have been putting up at silver pool / hidden orchid / west gate lately. I guess with 2X exp / drop rate gone, every1 is out for 2X Blood, someone's gonna spill blood all over the TW map b:chuckle

I had 60 GA's sitting in inventory for about 3 months.. finally used em all lmao

I'm learning to branch all skill tree paths (except sword) on my BM for pvp and I'm learning fast from all the mass PK and 3 hr TWs b:dirty P: epic

I'm fairly confident DT will be fun tonight with all the RPK going on P:

Accel - Raging Tide

Axe/Poleblade/Fist is enough dan b:surrender too bad I don't play on sanct anymore.. Where was the pk when I was around b:cry

Tannzie - Sanctuary

hmm first a fact then a question ...

there is only one person who is capable enough to control a faction, lead a faction and most importantly WIN the battles and war Against nefarious, but then again on having asked the person to do so the reply was, "I am here to play, to relax, NOT to take responsibilities. I had countless number of chances where i could have taken the lead, but then again why would i ? " (you know who you are, now you know who i am too)

question, this person can do it, he really can, but then how many of you would join him in the process ? Ampli, R3N3G3D3S, Eny, Regi, RR, Outlaw join up ? The answer is NO. Its simple to achieve something really tough, you need to make tons of sacrifices, would you all be able to do the sacrifice ?

Well the answers going to be NO. and thus this fact, of beating nefarious......will be a dream.... more over i don't want you all to stop my paychecks ...

TheDan - Sanctuary

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

Axe/Poleblade/Fist is enough dan b:surrender too bad I don't play on sanct anymore.. Where was the pk when I was around b:cry

sword is kinda useless in pvp yeah, right now i've got my shiny new lunar spear and lunar claws to +6 to at the officer lmao.

I guess people stopping for 2x exp and drop rates.. but now we got more pvp than before lawl

get back here neeb, RT is faillll

Tannzie - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmm first a fact then a question ...

there is only one person who is capable enough to control a faction, lead a faction and most importantly WIN the battles and war Against nefarious, but then again on having asked the person to do so the reply was, "I am here to play, to relax, NOT to take responsibilities. I had countless number of chances where i could have taken the lead, but then again why would i ? " (you know who you are, now you know who i am too)

question, this person can do it, he really can, but then how many of you would join him in the process ? Ampli, R3N3G3D3S, Eny, Regi, RR, Outlaw join up ? The answer is NO. Its simple to achieve something really tough, you need to make tons of sacrifices, would you all be able to do the sacrifice ?

Well the answers going to be NO. and thus this fact, of beating nefarious......will be a dream.... more over i don't want you all to stop my paychecks ...

are you speaking in riddles? :O I'm bad with word games, give us a hint P:

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

are you speaking in riddles? :O I'm bad with word games, give us a hint P:

its the Crotch Bomb Terrorist

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide

get back here neeb, RT is faillll

While this might be true I must say :

Go away Dan ! This server has too many idiots , I need some level-headed ppl I know here b:angry xD .

Tannzie - Sanctuary

i only disclose my identity to those whom i want to, if i don't want you to know who I am, then you wont ever know it. I could rather suggest a who-is-Tannzie thread ?

Anyways, you all speak about beating nef how many of you would actually make the sacrifice needed for it ? anyone up for it ?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Tannzie - Sanctuary wrote: »

question, this person can do it, he really can, but then how many of you would join him in the process ? Ampli, R3N3G3D3S, Eny, Regi, RR, Outlaw join up ? The answer is NO. Its simple to achieve something really tough, you need to make tons of sacrifices, would you all be able to do the sacrifice ?

Well the answers going to be NO. and thus this fact, of beating nefarious......will be a dream.... more over i don't want you all to stop my paychecks ...

Dont care who you are as long as u keep us entertained.

SO. Depends on if this person has the balls to lead a faction and continue doing so through drama and all that ugly **** that comes with every faction. Hell if i joined a fac, i dont want to join one with the leaders and officers that crumble under pressure and give up, this includes the ones that jump ship too. If all that they can do is lead a faction in its prettier days then they may as well just be an executor and plan strategies for TW. Will they be worth the sacrifices that pple make is more the question. We've all seen old facs die off and new ones spring up in its place and then die off again. The fact that there are only a handful of pple that can lead without jumping all over the place when drama springs up in their faction tells its easier said than done.

Accel - Raging Tide

Tannzie is back! I missed you b:sad

PoopooMai - Sanctuary

since when was milyen a good choice of leader anyways? wonder what he does with all that coins...since apparently people cant even pay for their costs in TW

most of Nef isnt really nef anyways...Nef died long ago...when Sasaki quit, quite a few 'core' members left/stopped playing/disappeared/went MIA...Falls did a good job and he got tired of it and decided to pretty much stop playing (dont recall if he still plays now...)...then Devalis well...we thought he was the worst but well look at Milyen now...he commands his faction as if he built and brought it up all by himself and you all are there cause you want to leech off HIS guild...well technically its not even his...he leads it...but the guild technically belongs to Sasaki and the initial group that made it

(YingWiE kinda went inactive...no idea where he went to shortly after he was leader XD...)

oh and...quite a few of the old Nef members that still remain (i only consider those prior to Devalis taking leadership)...aren't exactly cheery or happy about Milyen anyways

on a side note...Milyen was pretty touchy when asked about whether or not he had taken Geoaddi's equipment...saying he had no need for it and he had better

Accel - Raging Tide

Momo!! b:byeb:byeb:bye

Swaze - Sanctuary

Tannzie - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmm first a fact then a question ...

there is only one person who is capable enough to control a faction, lead a faction and most importantly WIN the battles and war Against nefarious, but then again on having asked the person to do so the reply was, "I am here to play, to relax, NOT to take responsibilities. I had countless number of chances where i could have taken the lead, but then again why would i ? " (you know who you are, now you know who i am too)

question, this person can do it, he really can, but then how many of you would join him in the process ? Ampli, R3N3G3D3S, Eny, Regi, RR, Outlaw join up ? The answer is NO. Its simple to achieve something really tough, you need to make tons of sacrifices, would you all be able to do the sacrifice ?

Well the answers going to be NO. and thus this fact, of beating nefarious......will be a dream.... more over i don't want you all to stop my paychecks ...

I'm 99.9% positive tannzies talkign about HatedSoul

Ryamika - Sanctuary

PoopooMai - Sanctuary wrote: »

most of Nef isnt really nef anyways...Nef died long ago...when Sasaki quit, quite a few 'core' members left/stopped playing/disappeared/went MIA...Falls did a good job and he got tired of it and decided to pretty much stop playing (dont recall if he still plays now...)...then Devalis well...we thought he was the worst but well look at Milyen now...he commands his faction as if he built and brought it up all by himself and you all are there cause you want to leech off HIS guild...well technically its not even his...he leads it...but the guild technically belongs to Sasaki and the initial group that made it

(YingWiE kinda went inactive...no idea where he went to shortly after he was leader XD...)

oh and...quite a few of the old Nef members that still remain (i only consider those prior to Devalis taking leadership)...aren't exactly cheery or happy about Milyen anyways

on a side note...Milyen was pretty touchy when asked about whether or not he had taken Geoaddi's equipment...saying he had no need for it and he had better

Nef died when you left it to join LG b:pleased.

But ya, I hope things aren't as gloomy as people make it seem to be. There's still a good group of old timers for whom I still have alot of respect for. When I first joined Nef, Falls was leader and it was the start of the epic Nef/LG TWs. Those were some fun times!

Also, I can't speak ill of Milyen... after all he was my TW squad leader for the longest time, but he wouldn't be the only one with the self-entitlement attitude.

There are a bunch of newbie Nefs who had nothing to do with the lands Nefarious gained, but yet walk and talk like they've actually done something significant other than leech coins.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Swaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm 99.9% positive tannzies talkign about HatedSoul

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Ryamika - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are a bunch of newbie Nefs who had nothing to do with the lands Nefarious gained, but yet walk and talk like they've actually done something significant other than leech coins.

dont tell us they magically materialized inside the faction one maintenance morning. Someone from the inside vouched, chose, and opened the door for them.

Accel - Raging Tide

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

dont tell us they magically materialized inside the faction one maintenance morning. Someone from the inside vouched, chose, and opened the door for them.

Doesn't change the fact that some of them haven't really done anything for the land that Nef owns? They just currently defend it and fight for it..

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that some of them haven't really done anything for the land that Nef owns? They just currently defend it and fight for it..

what did the pple who let them in expect?

Swaze - Sanctuary

Ryamika - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are a bunch of newbie Nefs who had nothing to do with the lands Nefarious gained, but yet walk and talk like they've actually done something significant other than leech coins.

racists of america

Ryamika - Sanctuary

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that some of them haven't really done anything for the land that Nef owns? They just currently defend it and fight for it..

And go around saying, "Look at the map! We won the game kthxbai".

Ryamika - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

dont tell us they magically materialized inside the faction one maintenance morning. Someone from the inside vouched, chose, and opened the door for them.

And? What exactly does that have to do with new members who claim credit for any of the land Nefarious holds before they were ever a part of the faction?

Obviously new members will replace old ones. Turnover in this game is extremely high. Obviously any Nefarious member is entitled to territory pay and all the other bennefits that come with being a member of the biggest land owner on the sever.

But anyone who thinks it's acceptable for those who talk as if they had any role in aquiring those lands is smoking the good stuff.

Tannzie - Sanctuary

Swaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm 99.9% positive tannzies talkign about HatedSoul

You really think that ?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j139/Vargamora/120px-Awesome_hurr_hurr.png


dont tell us they magically materialized inside the faction one maintenance morning. Someone from the inside vouched, chose, and opened the door for them.

most of them were never vouched, Cimeja had over 90% devouches still inside nef, Makeda was put on the applicants list for 1 day and she was inside (Devalis) and after few people like these came in, then the process of recruiting noobs started of in nef.

Ryamika - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nef died when you left it to join LG b:pleased.

But ya, I hope things aren't as gloomy as people make it seem to be. There's still a good group of old timers for whom I still have alot of respect for. When I first joined Nef, Falls was leader and it was the start of the epic Nef/LG TWs. Those were some fun times!when falls got banned, you and your brother were still in SW, you came in when devalis was leader

Also, I can't speak ill of Milyen... after all he was my TW squad leader for the longest time, but he wouldn't be the only one with the self-entitlement attitude. Milyen is not a thief neither a Leader. Dictatorship is good for online mmo's but ONLY when you have good support.

There are a bunch of newbie Nefs who had nothing to do with the lands Nefarious gained, but yet walk and talk like they've actually done something significant other than leech coins.

That's an undenying fact.

Well Decptistar, the person am talking about, you know him, and yeah you can trust me on this that he is not an escapist. But then again read the first part of that post. The person is NOT willing to do it, tired ? doesn't want to ? Might be anything. And yeah IF that person does build up, then even i would leave nef to join him. That's for sure

YngWiE - Sanctuary

PoopooMai - Sanctuary wrote: »

(YingWiE kinda went inactive...no idea where he went to shortly after he was leader XD...)

hihi mumu.

Well, I was leader from about 4 months and to be honest, I underestimated the amount of time I'd need to lead. I had already previous spent a lot of time doing faction related business (I first became an officer in April iirc), but the extra work needed to be leader kind of pushed me too far and the game got the better of me for a bit; I needed to resign to sort out my priorities. Which is why I'm back now, but not interested in anything more than just being a member.

I'm an escapist b:surrender

Accel - Raging Tide

YngWiE - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm an escapist b:surrender

You should be an assassin, They escape pretty well. b:cool

Ryamika - Sanctuary

Tannzie - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ryamika's Quote edited by Tannzie

Wrong. Well maybe not completely. I was new to Nef at the time so I think they had the revolving leader position between Falls and Sasaki. Sasaki is the one who actually sent me the faction invite courtesty of Mr. Herne Hunter.

Regardless, I know Devalis was still Director at that time because I pm'd him regarding forum access. He wasn't the one who handled it, but helped me get it setup. I thought he was a good guy at that time, but obviously he went nuts later and YnG took over.

YngWiE - Sanctuary

Ryamika - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong. Well maybe not completely. I was new to Nef at the time so I think they had the revolving leader position between Falls and Sasaki. Sasaki is the one who actually sent me the faction invite courtesty of Mr. Herne Hunter.

Regardless, I know Devalis was still Director at that time because I pm'd him regarding forum access. He wasn't the one who handled it, but helped me get it setup. I thought he was a good guy at that time, but obviously he went nuts before YnG took over.

Well at the point you joined, Sasaki had gone on leave because of computer trouble, but basically in the end he never returned. Falls used to play Sasaki's account as well which is why the lead shuffled between the two.

As for Devalis, everyone has their theories, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that he was a young man influenced heavily by someone else's words haha. He was always a good strategist in terms of planning for TW's and the like. But like most Leaders of Nef, they become Leaders out of necessity and are not necessarily equipped to be a Leader (ie: Falls took over as Sasaki quit, Devalis as Falls, me as Devalis, and Milyen as I quit). Rarely are Leaders who take over given any sort of briefing or training to become the next Leader, and thus the structure of Nefarious and the way things are run are generally due to change as the Leader sees fit.

Ryamika - Sanctuary

It's good to see you playing again YnG