kantorek -- your response to the nirvana
Vinat - Sanctuary
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im sorry to call you out like this, but the thing youre quoting and repeating.. its kind of a cop out. i think what people are asking for is a difinitive answer (yes or no) from a gm as to whether or not refines and gems are supposed to transfer when you change tt/lunar to nirvana. that's the thing people are debating about and not sure about.
"when you reforge ..." is not an appropriate or sufficient answer to the question about the original re-cast. we get it, when you re-forge (re-roll stats), you keep refines.
but as has been said, there is no official statement about the original recast (tt/lunar + 100 crystals = nirvana) process.
"when you recast from tt/lunar to nirvana ..." is how the response should be phrased to answer the question i just mentioned, which is the question causing controversy.
and please dont yell at me or ban me for asking this and pointing out that the answer you keep giving us is for a diff question than what we are asking. b:surrender
nirvana is new and confusing and expensive and time consuming. we DO need things spelled out for us, to the letter, on every little thing. some of us are stupid, and majority of us have the capacity to misinterpret.
thank you in advance
"when you reforge ..." is not an appropriate or sufficient answer to the question about the original re-cast. we get it, when you re-forge (re-roll stats), you keep refines.
but as has been said, there is no official statement about the original recast (tt/lunar + 100 crystals = nirvana) process.
"when you recast from tt/lunar to nirvana ..." is how the response should be phrased to answer the question i just mentioned, which is the question causing controversy.
and please dont yell at me or ban me for asking this and pointing out that the answer you keep giving us is for a diff question than what we are asking. b:surrender
nirvana is new and confusing and expensive and time consuming. we DO need things spelled out for us, to the letter, on every little thing. some of us are stupid, and majority of us have the capacity to misinterpret.
thank you in advance
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It doesn't keep it when you change it from TT/Lunar into nirvana. Only after it's a Nirvana Weapon/Armor and you reroll the stats by using the reforge option does it retain. He keeps bolding the word "reforge" because it is only by that option that it works.
It's been so clearly laid out, how can you not see it??
I mean Wizzled just lost a +12 bow to prove it.0 -
Yup I lost my +12 to prove it and save others from losing their stuff.
And so far I've gotten flamed on game endlessly for it.0 -
yes wiz, i know, and im sorry for your loss. but please try not to flame here. im not seeking to flame the gms, i just want one of them to answer this specific question, because i cannot find any official response to this yet.0
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Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »Yup I lost my +12 to prove it and save others from losing their stuff.
And so far I've gotten flamed on game endlessly for it.
I think the majority of them are pretending to know they knew all along when they didn't. Ignore the flames it's easy to make a mistake by taking something to mean more than it is. I for one read things as they are written. Decided since the first post no nirvana gear for me until I decide to go farm me some new TT gear. Too high refine/sockets to lose.0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »im sorry to call you out like this, but the thing youre quoting and repeating.. its kind of a cop out. i think what people are asking for is a difinitive answer (yes or no) from a gm as to whether or not refines and gems are supposed to transfer when you change tt/lunar to nirvana. that's the thing people are debating about and not sure about.
Please see the response posted by Frankie here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6630981&postcount=44朱健诚
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Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »Yup I lost my +12 to prove it and save others from losing their stuff.
And so far I've gotten flamed on game endlessly for it.
I think sacrificing your bow was too extreme, but at least we know something now. PWE, all they want to do is to suck your money. This Nirvana and the event is obvisly made on purpuse to reset dozens of +12 weapons and equipments to zero so you have to expend once again $2000 or whatever it costs. That's very low from PWE, that's almost criminal and the people who takes this kind of decision have no ethics. Too bad we are pretty much in the begging of the cybernetic age, and there are very few laws or nothing to protect people against the type of scam. I guess the only thing you can do is to protect yourself and don't fall on their trap.0 -
Azura - Lost City wrote: »I think sacrificing your bow was too extreme, but at least we know something now. PWE, all they want to do is to suck your money. This Nirvana and the event is obvisly made on purpuse to reset dozens of +12 weapons and equipments to zero so you have to expend once again $2000 or whatever it costs. That's very low from PWE, that's almost criminal and the people who takes this kind of decision have no ethics. Too bad we are pretty much in the begging of the cybernetic age, and there are very few laws or nothing to protect people against the type of scam. I guess the only thing you can do is to protect yourself and don't fall on their trap.
it was his fault tho. the GMs said "reforge" but wizz was the one who miss understood that and used wrong option. the GMs are NOT at fault wizz is. hate to say it like that but its truth.0 -
Azura - Lost City wrote: »I think sacrificing your bow was too extreme, but at least we know something now. PWE, all they want to do is to suck your money. This Nirvana and the event is obvisly made on purpuse to reset dozens of +12 weapons and equipments to zero so you have to expend once again $2000 or whatever it costs. That's very low from PWE, that's almost criminal and the people who takes this kind of decision have no ethics. Too bad we are pretty much in the begging of the cybernetic age, and there are very few laws or nothing to protect people against the type of scam. I guess the only thing you can do is to protect yourself and don't fall on their trap.
no one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to recast their equipment....if you can't/won't/don't want to +12 another piece, then don't recast...simple as that
if wizzeled wasn't always in such a hurry to have the biggest and the best, he wouldn't have lost anything...he chose not to wait for clarification...does it suck? for him, yea, but its no ones fault but his own0 -
Asurr - Heavens Tear wrote: »it was his fault tho. the GMs said "reforge" but wizz was the one who miss understood that and used wrong option. the GMs are NOT at fault wizz is. hate to say it like that but its truth.
he ask he ask and he asked again for clarfication no answer so he tested it himself then a while later after he had tested a gm comes along and gives an reply....0 -
Downed - Harshlands wrote: »he ask he ask and he asked again for clarfication no answer so he tested it himself then a while later after he had tested a gm comes along and gives an reply....
again HIS fault for not waiting for clarification. he was impatient and this is where it got him. + in the other thread kanotek said it was by reforging. frankie only came to simplify what kano already told him...0 -
Even sent in a ticket asking for clarification.
I followed all the protical and lets put it this way, I rather be the one to bite the bullet so someone else who worked their **** off isn't. My most likely last act as a member here was my most selfless during my stay here.0 -
Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »Even sent in a ticket asking for clarification.
I followed all the protical and lets put it this way, I rather be the one to bite the bullet so someone else who worked their **** off isn't. My most likely last act as a member here was my most selfless during my stay here.
we gonna miss you wizzeled you were very brave for clearfying this for us because the gms failed to do so.b:cry0 -
Asurr - Heavens Tear wrote: »again HIS fault for not waiting for clarification. he was impatient and this is where it got him. + in the other thread kanotek said it was by reforging. frankie only came to simplify what kano already told him...
Even if he rushed it, it is still outlandish that all refines on Lunar, HH99, sockets, go away on the first recast. EVERYONE thought your gear gets upgraded with all existing stats, that was what the description of Nirvana Reforge stated in the first place. PWE can do something about this, but since it was made clear Chienken stones will never be implemented, it's obvious the company is only after your money. This is just sad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]youtube.com/Angelolwut0 -
Angel - Harshlands wrote: »Even if he rushed it, it is still outlandish that all refines on Lunar, HH99, sockets, go away on the first recast. EVERYONE thought your gear gets upgraded with all existing stats, that was what the description of Nirvana Reforge stated in the first place. PWE can do something about this, but since it was made clear Chienken stones will never be implemented, it's obvious the company is only after your money. This is just sad.
it does keep the refines/sockets/etc... he just clicked on the wrong option and thus didnt keep his refines and stuff.0 -
Asurr - Heavens Tear wrote: »it does keep the refines/sockets/etc... he just clicked on the wrong option and thus didnt keep his refines and stuff.
According to Frankie, no.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=608921&page=5
Only Reforging preexisting Nirvana gear. But please prove me wrong[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]youtube.com/Angelolwut0 -
Either way I submitted a ticket with video proof and everything. I am sure something will be done.0
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hi Angel its me foxyb:laugh0
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Please see the response posted by Frankie here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6630981&postcount=44
yes.. thats a cop out too. the wording is again focused around reforging, which is the only way to keep refines. do you see what i mean? about the language? why does every GM refuse to just state it plainly? "when you turn tt/lunar to nirvana you lose gems and refines".. that would be stating it plainly. if it's said like that then there is no room for interpretation or arguing about what whoever said it really means. all these other responses confuse people. it's like dancing around the elephant in the room.
*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: *stares at GM w/ a puzzled look* "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »yes.. thats a cop out too. the wording is again focused around reforging, which is the only way to keep refines. do you see what i mean? about the language? why does every GM refuse to just state it plainly? "when you turn tt/lunar to nirvana you lose gems and refines".. that would be stating it plainly. if it's said like that then there is no room for interpretation or arguing about what whoever said it really means. all these other responses confuse people. it's like dancing around the elephant in the room.
*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
because they would loose money and dats scary for pweb:shocked0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »yes.. thats a cop out too. the wording is again focused around reforging, which is the only way to keep refines. do you see what i mean? about the language? why does every GM refuse to just state it plainly? "when you turn tt/lunar to nirvana you lose gems and refines".. that would be stating it plainly. if it's said like that then there is no room for interpretation or arguing about what whoever said it really means. all these other responses confuse people. it's like dancing around the elephant in the room.
*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: *stares at GM w/ a puzzled look* "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
I lol at the ppl that need more clarification.0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »it's like dancing around the elephant in the room.
*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: *stares at GM w/ a puzzled look* "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
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*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: *stares at GM w/ a puzzled look* "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
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wizzeled what are you going to do if they don't do anything for you'r +12 bow?0
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Downed - Harshlands wrote: »wizzeled what are you going to do if they don't do anything for you'r +12 bow?
You never reveal your hand before the dealer has dealt all the cards.0 -
Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »You never reveal your hand before the dealer has dealt all the cards.
why not it allways makes things intresting!0 -
Downed - Harshlands wrote: »why not it allways makes things intresting!
If you wait by the river long enough the bodies of your enemies will float by.0 -
Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »If you wait by the river long enough the bodies of your enemies will float by.
so you'r going to kill people me and u hate?b:surrender
sorry its late but really thats all i got out of that0 -
Downed - Harshlands wrote: »so you'r going to kill people me and u hate?b:surrender
sorry its late but really thats all i got out of that
Patience is a virtue.
That's basically what I've been saying.0 -
no the last one would be more "there is no further information on the elephant at this time."Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »The wording is again focused around reforging, which is the only way to keep refines. do you see what i mean? about the language? why does every GM refuse to just state it plainly?
*there is an elephant in a room with a fish tank that holds 1 fish*
player asks "is the elephant hungry?"
gm: "there is something in the room that is hungry, but it is only something with fins."
player: "so the elephant is not hungry?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."
player: "ok, but im asking about the elephant... is it hungry?"
gm: "see response #1 and response #2."
player: *stares at GM w/ a puzzled look* "so is the elephant hungry or not?"
gm: "the thing with fins is hungry."I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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