Assassin the joker

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear

What a joke of a class, lol.
it takes no effort to down this LA class.
Meele + LA what are you thinking?

AngelicArrow - Harshlands

They are not really all that suited to fighting heavies, but i have not seen one lose to any archer, or robe user when they were the same level.

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear

How you seen how they attack? they are like drunk panseys on drugs.

Super_Trout - Dreamweaver

Obvious troll is obvious...and bad at his job. b:cute

Lusca - Sanctuary

troll b:angryb:angry

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary

Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious...and bad at his job. b:cute

Indeed. Sins are not made for direct combat, Troll. As another sin put it, we are 'specialists'. We are there to add on status affects to keep Bms, barbs, and idiots like you alive while you are tanking.b:chuckle

You may think we are a joke, but consider this... A pure dex sin at your level with up to date skills can possibly beat you senseless before you know it. You think we have Dex for nothing? You'd be amazed at how fast we pull crits using normal attacks. Add that to a skill that allows us to increase our crit damage plus a skill that starts at 16.5% and adds up to 30% more to our normal and skill damage.

You should be careful. You may fight a Sin and see "DEFEAT" flash before your eyes less than five seconds later. After that its "lol gf b:bye"

Lusca - Sanctuary

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary wrote: »

You should be careful. You may fight a Sin and see "DEFEAT" flash before your eyes less than five seconds later. After that its "lol gf b:bye"

lol duel b:laugh

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear

hey i know this guy. he got ***** over and over again like 8 times in a row by a oracle noob psy then ***** again in PK mode by a nyx.

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hey i know this guy. he got ***** over and over again like 8 times in a row by a oracle noob psy then ***** again in PK mode by a nyx.

So, what you are saying is he's just angry?b:laugh


Cry a river, build a bridge and walk over it... just be sure to jump off the side.b:bye

Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, what you are saying is he's just angry?b:laugh


Cry a river, build a bridge and walk over it... just be sure to jump off the side.b:bye

or troll under it in his case b:laugh


anyway if a sin knows what he is doing he can beat a heavy armor just needs to utilize the right skills and not get hit too much (evasion ftw )

Lusca - Sanctuary

Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

(evasion ftw )

just wow. . .

Sneakret - Heavens Tear

Rofl, just a quick reminder for those pre basing on evade chances. As a sin we get 2 buffs that are relatively short at 60 sec when maxed, that give us the chance to parry an atk taking 1dmg, or to avoid a negative status effect. An archer gets a longer lasting buff that increases evasion by a %.

Most bm's or hell even or especially barbs that are between 77 and 90 use the Misty Forest Ring giving an added 50% accuracy.
So lets say you're pure dex vs a bm/barb with that ring. 50% of a persons accuracy is a large amount for other mele classes. 1.4k can easily become 2.8 with two of those fairly affordable rings.

If anyone knows of a +evade by x% item I'd love to hear it for experimental usage in the 8x tear

Lusca - Sanctuary

Sneakret - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Rofl, just a quick reminder for those pre basing on evade chances. As a sin we get 2 buffs that are relatively short at 60 sec when maxed, that give us the chance to parry an atk taking 1dmg, or to avoid a negative status effect. An archer gets a longer lasting buff that increases evasion by a %

those 2 skills are not based on our evasion

Sneakret - Heavens Tear

I'm only saying that a large majority of our sin base relies far too heavily upon evade against heavy mele classes. Do we need it? Hell yes we do, but does it make a non-negotiable win? Not at all.

Later in levels, if a heavy class is adding in some accuracy, it will out do your chance to evade bc we lack the ability to keep a higher evade than their accuracy.

Q#2

What is our equation for focused mind? Does it add from our base evade
ex: base evade at 31% : Focused Mind lvl 9 22.5%
evade chance =31% : chance to take 1 dmg = 53.5

or, is it a double roll essentially
D&D styled example:

your evade = 2800
mob swings, rolls 3000 value
focused mind activates*
mob re-rolls to hit past focus
focus value at 22.5
mob rolls value of 18
=1 dmg taken

Vorhes - Dreamweaver

Question ? Howmany evadebuff do sins have ,how many stun skils they have ,howmany DD skills they have,How quick can they get in your face before you realize your stunned (etc)......all of these things come into play, so baseing your point it on 2 buffs is just wronglol (assassin the joker......idk b:laughmaybe most of the time we have the last laugh?)

Killermate - Harshlands

Sneakret - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm only saying that a large majority of our sin base relies far too heavily upon evade against heavy mele classes. Do we need it? Hell yes we do, but does it make a non-negotiable win? Not at all.

Later in levels, if a heavy class is adding in some accuracy, it will out do your chance to evade bc we lack the ability to keep a higher evade than their accuracy.

Q#2

What is our equation for focused mind? Does it add from our base evade
ex: base evade at 31% : Focused Mind lvl 9 22.5%
evade chance =31% : chance to take 1 dmg = 53.5

or, is it a double roll essentially
D&D styled example:

your evade = 2800
mob swings, rolls 3000 value
focused mind activates*
mob re-rolls to hit past focus
focus value at 22.5
mob rolls value of 18
=1 dmg taken

You are bad at math. 31%+22.5% =/= 53.5

Sneakret - Heavens Tear

Well, whether it was 4am or not let's see here

31
41 (+10)
51 (+20)
53.5 (+2.5)

I'd say that sums up my argument. Was just a question btw for how the skill actually works.


(edit) Unless you were trying to add 22.5% of 31% to the base 31.
).225 x .31) +.31, = 37.975% / decimal form = .37975

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary wrote: »

Indeed. Sins are not made for direct combat, Troll. As another sin put it, we are 'specialists'. We are there to add on status affects to keep Bms, barbs, and idiots like you alive while you are tanking.b:chuckle

You may think we are a joke, but consider this... A pure dex sin at your level with up to date skills can possibly beat you senseless before you know it. You think we have Dex for nothing? You'd be amazed at how fast we pull crits using normal attacks. Add that to a skill that allows us to increase our crit damage plus a skill that starts at 16.5% and adds up to 30% more to our normal and skill damage.

You should be careful. You may fight a Sin and see "DEFEAT" flash before your eyes less than five seconds later. After that its "lol gf b:bye"

Remember this fool is probably basing his assumptions on oracled sins near his lvl. I think hes to slow to notice that. Those sins WILL suck...

Centll - Dreamweaver

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Remember this fool is probably basing his assumptions on oracled sins near his lvl. I think hes to slow to notice that. Those sins WILL suck...

^ This lol

Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Remember this fool is probably basing his assumptions on oracled sins near his lvl. I think hes to slow to notice that. Those sins WILL suck...

Very true. Those who oracle to high levels are trash to me. They know nothing that they can do, nor will they ever until they do it right.

Now, I can understand oracling a few levels... say the lag in quests from 85 ~ 89. THAT I can understand. But to go from 30 ~ 8x using soley oracles is BS.

Killermate - Harshlands

Hate all you want and QQ about oracles.

If i could i'd take back all the hours of grind/solo AoE i had since lvl 75 and change into oracles, i'd go back and do it.

Why pay ~160K-200K per Exp scroll, and 2.5M charm that could be all gone in 1 day of grind when you can get oracles at 55K each lol.

Anyway, i just wanted to make sure ppl don't get the wrong idea about how the skill works because for the first post you made, it looked like you had 53.5% chance of getting no-dmg/1dmg

In every single hit the 2 event occur and are totally separated.
1 roll for the evasion (You stated 31% example), 1 roll for focused mind (22.5%)

Percentages for different events don't add like 1+1=2

Just go try it yourself nubs. Let same levle mob hit you 1000 times and tell me i was wrong and you got no dmg/miss 532 times out off 1K b:chuckle

And i don't need oracles to know that. Simple game mechanics b:bye

Vorhes - Dreamweaver

It is true there are certain things with your character that you will learn about lvling slowly than jumping from lvl30- lvl90 just to puff your chest out and say youre a high lvl

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is true there are certain things with your character that you will learn about lvling slowly than jumping from lvl30- lvl90 just to puff your chest out and say youre a high lvl

yup basically same concept on skill as a person suddenly jumping into PK mode after lv90+ as opposed to someone whos been avidly PKing since lv30-80.

Quilue - Sanctuary

well 22.5% + 31% does equal 53.5%

it's just that...you can't add them directly:

0.225 to block, 0.31 to evade, chance of not taking full damage is

0.225 + 0.31 - 0.225*0.31 = 0.46525

a way to think about it is 0.31 to evade, 0.225 to block if not evaded, so

0.31 + 0.225 * (1 - 0.31) = 0.46525

correct me if i'm wrong

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

well 22.5% + 31% does equal 53.5%

it's just that...you can't add them directly:

0.225 to block, 0.31 to evade, chance of not taking full damage is

0.225 + 0.31 - 0.225*0.31 = 0.46525

a way to think about it is 0.31 to evade, 0.225 to block if not evaded, so

0.31 + 0.225 * (1 - 0.31) = 0.46525

correct me if i'm wrong

i swear you are asterelles kid...

Sneakret - Heavens Tear

Ah ok, that is what I was interested in, thanks Quilue. Was searching for some type of formula to see how it was done.

VVTH - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Remember this fool is probably basing his assumptions on oracled sins near his lvl. I think hes to slow to notice that. Those sins WILL suck...

I dont suck and i owned a 89 bm :<

Piper_Shiva - Harshlands

VVTH - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dont suck and i owned a 89 bm :<

He's a troll, don't worry about him.

I do like the title of this, because in a way, Assassins are the Joker of the game. Played and built properly, we can damn well ace every other class one way or another. It's not always easy and it won't happen every time, but in general, an assassin is a competent fighter against everybody.

Which I think is the basic idea behind them.

I think.

Anyways, late, and I'm only posting this because the server's still down. *yawn*

Killermate - Harshlands

GL Killing barbs with our current set of skills. b:shutup

Lessein - Sanctuary

one word "miss" hehe =]

oh clearing up the math thing for anyone who still doesnt understand. if you have two buffs that make your opponant have a 99% chance to miss, and your opponant takes two shots, they can still hit you.
just because 99+99 = 198% doesnt mean that they have over 100% chance of missing.

instead you view it like this
OOOOOOOOOOOOmiss (99/100)
miss(99/100) <
OOOOOOOOOOOOhit (1/100)

OOOOOOOOOOOOmiss (99/100)
hit(1/100)<
OOOOOOOOOOOOhit (1/100)

viewing hem as fractions in each case there is a 99/100 chance of missing, and to find the probability of one event then another event occuring you multiply the chance of each one. 99/100 * 99/100 = 0.9801 so the chance of missing twice is 98.01%

there are lots of reasons why sins are awesome, stealth for one thing, crazy evasion, high crit rate. Sins are a meelee class but that doesnt automatically make us tanks, so we dont really need HA. Youre just too used to meelee = HA. Plus our rage stat seems pretty awesome although I havent got to use that yet.

skyxiii

Piper_Shiva - Harshlands wrote: »

I do like the title of this, because in a way, Assassins are the Joker of the game. Played and built properly, we can damn well ace every other class one way or another. It's not always easy and it won't happen every time, but in general, an assassin is a competent fighter against everybody.

Which I think is the basic idea behind them.

I think.

I respectfully disagree. Assassins/rogues in most games are at a disadvantage when fighting heavy melee classes. Imo, pw assassins are at a disadvantage when fighting barbs & bms.

I think blademasters are more suited for the "competent fighter against everybody" role (Master of 4+ weapons, ranged + melee skills, physical + magic damage, marrows). Assassins seem to be a specialized class.