Leveling over 105? GM comment, please?

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

i was just looking at what armour i will be needing to get soon, and got to paging through the mage armour. it went on, and on, and on......on up to level 136!! http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/armor-npc.php#

whats the official story on this, Spoons?

eatwithspoons

The current level cap is 105, and I do not have any information past that. I have not heard anything though.

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

The current level cap is 105, and I do not have any information past that. I have not heard anything though.

thats really odd, considering it was on the PWI part of ecatomb. i assume this will be plugged in eventually, though. i bet that if this were, there would be a lot of the high level players staying. but to gain that level, i cant see how. its hard enough for them as it is.

perhaps that is why there is a blank section to the right of the game map? <mischievous grin>

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear61

Yeah, there are armors, weapons, and accessories up to lvl 150~ that I have seen either on pwdatabase, or on Ecatomb. I'm assuming these were for the Chinese version of PW from it's p2p days, but I really don't know fore sure.

But the really high lvl 130+ gear does look amazing. *drools*

Oneshotu - Lost City

Good luck hitting 105. ijs

Sthenith - Dreamweaver

How old is PWI ? Yes, a bit over 1 year.

Give it a couple more or so, you will see a bunch of players reaching that famous 105 lvl.

BUT : who, in his/her, right mind will continue past lvl 105 as it stands now ? You need an insane amount of exp AND time to get there, and even insanely more for each lvl past 105.

As in other games, pwi will have some really dedicated players that will want to continue levelling IF the exp cap is raised, but most (in my estimate 95 to98%) will just give up when they see it will take them too long to gain even one (1) level.

So, drooling over gear that you will probably never have is the only option you have. The "average" lifespan of an mmorpg gamer staying in one game is about 3 years. After that, most switch to other (newer) games or other types of games.

Do not forget that the gaming community and mentality in the Asian world/gaming culture is very different from the US and Europe. While in some games the maximum lvl cap is reached in Asia, in the rest of the world the level cap is lowered just because of that difference.

Also, If they would have given PWI the max cap of 150, then you can be sure more players would have left once they realized how long and how much effort it would take them to reach it.

p.s. : Did anyone ever do the math how long it would take, by playing 8hrs /day, 6/7 days, calculating how much exp you can gain/day on average(in %), to reach 105 ? Well, multiply that by the increase factor / lvl past 105 and give the number in years. That's how long.

Ashendal - Dreamweaver

Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do not forget that the gaming community and mentality in the Asian world/gaming culture is very different from the US and Europe. While in some games the maximum lvl cap is reached in Asia, in the rest of the world the level cap is lowered just because of that difference.

Sadly this is probably the reason. On most of the hand held video games from over in Japan/China the difficulty level is a LOT higher then they are when they get translated and brought over here. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to state some of the games per the rules, but there are a bunch.

It's basically due to the "shiny" effect that plagues even the current PWI. As soon as something new comes out everyone flocks to it. (Tideborn release, new mounts, Anni packs) until it doesn't hold the luster it used to. (I logged into a brand new Psy today and there was no one in the starting area....at all) We get bored with something so we move on. Basically since getting to level 150 would take years of dedicated play and decades of casual play the level cap got scaled back to make the game atleast somewhat more enjoyable for us.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

It would appear that PWI does have plans to extend the level cap one day, but even if the GM's knew about it, they aren't allowed to say. I would expect another form on an extention before the level cap is raised, so don't expect it sometime soon.

FranzKafka - Dreamweaver

A few months ago I had a char on HT and I saw on AH a legenday sword with req level 115 if I'm not mistaken.The actual people of HT can confirm this.

Pervs - Lost City

No one is going reach 105 soon, atleast in PWI. PW-My has been on for like 2-3 years? longer than PWI and the highest level over there is 103.

Downloadzfox - Heavens Tear

Mabey they used another another perfect world thing like hoow perfect world was based on another game and that other game has a higher level cap .

PanaBella - Heavens Tear

Its pretty simple...

Jellytops - Heavens Tear

^ Haha, nice ^ b:chuckle

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

I think they level cap may be increased but i doubt many if anyone will go to it, to get to 105 it takes alot of serious and dedicated gameplay (ignoring oracle idiots) so to the go on to 115, 130 or 150 is going to talk alot longer. Only way i can see this as being possible is for them to scale down xp needed so its easier to level but to do that wud then make 105 alot easier and thus take away from the achievement of those who reached it legitimately.

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear

usually in MMOs lvls caps are only raised if there is a significant ammount of players that have already reached the current lvl cap. right now the current lvl cap seems to be 105 and the highest lvl so far in this game seems to only be 102. so NO ONE has reached the current lvl cap. so by standards u wont see the lvl cap in this game raise at all for a very very long time. in another game i play it took 6 years for them to raise the lvl cap but only after adding in a rebirth system that dlvls u 60 lvls and u have to relvl back to the lvl cap. and we still have a few months to go before they implement the new version raise the lvl cap at all.

so ya i wont expect a raised lvl cap any time soon. once we see **** tons of lvl 105s running around with endgame gear and nothing better to do except pvp then maybe we will see a lvl cap increase. but untill then just get to 105 firstb:surrender

rikako

or they will just do it like some other mmorpgs do it.

Reduce the required exp for levels overall.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

lvl Exp_to_next Total_XP
1 55 0
2 220 55
3 495 275
4 880 770
5 1,400 1,650
6 2,010 3,050
7 2,765 5,060
8 3,640 7,825
9 4,635 11,465
10 5,750 16,100
11 7,040 21,850
12 8,400 28,890
13 9,945 37,290
14 11,620 47,235
15 13,500 58,855
16 15,440 72,355
17 17,595 87,795
18 19,890 105,390
19 22,325 125,280
20 25,000 147,605
21 27,825 172,605
22 30,800 200,430
23 34,040 231,230
24 37,440 265,270
25 41,125 302,710
26 44,980 343,835
27 49,140 388,815
28 53,480 437,955
29 58,145 491,435
30 63,000 549,580
31 68,045 612,580
32 73,600 680,625
33 79,365 754,225
34 85,510 833,590
35 92,050 919,100
36 99,000 1,011,150
37 106,190 1,110,150
38 113,810 1,216,340
39 122,070 1,330,150
40 130,600 1,452,220
41 139,810 1,582,820
42 149,520 1,722,630
43 159,745 1,872,150
44 170,720 2,031,895
45 182,250 2,202,615
46 194,350 2,384,865
47 207,270 2,579,215
48 221,040 2,786,485
49 235,445 3,007,525
50 250,750 3,242,970
51 267,240 3,493,720
52 284,440 3,760,960
53 302,895 4,045,400
54 322,380 4,348,295
55 343,200 4,670,675
56 365,120 5,013,875
57 388,455 5,378,995
58 413,540 5,767,450
59 439,845 6,180,990
60 468,000 6,620,835
61 514,186 7,088,835
62 564,426 7,603,021
63 618,633 8,167,447
64 677,751 8,786,080
65 742,105 9,463,831
66 811,633 10,205,936
67 887,040 11,017,569
68 968,679 11,904,609
69 1,057,360 12,873,288
70 1,153,044 13,930,648
71 1,257,081 15,083,692
72 1,437,950 16,340,773
73 1,640,333 17,778,723
74 1,866,865 19,419,056
75 2,119,163 21,285,921
76 2,400,221 23,405,084
77 2,712,606 25,805,305
78 3,060,712 28,517,911
79 3,446,869 31,578,623
80 3,875,270 35,025,492
81 4,350,544 38,900,762
82 4,876,697 43,251,306
83 5,457,952 48,128,003
84 6,102,480 53,585,955
85 6,813,012 59,688,435
86 7,598,978 66,501,447
87 8,464,893 74,100,365
88 9,418,742 82,565,258
89 10,470,584 91,984,000
90 11,688,300 102,454,584
91 13,394,199 114,142,884
92 14,933,072 127,537,083
93 16,613,613 142,470,155
94 18,447,312 159,083,768
95 20,448,750 177,531,080
96 22,631,232 197,979,830
97 25,006,212 220,611,062
98 27,596,408 245,617,274
99 30,412,503 273,213,682
100 66,954,000 303,626,185
101 267,816,000 370,580,185
102 535,632,000 638,396,185
103 1,339,080,000 1,174,028,185
104 1,750,000,000 2,513,108,185
105 - 4,263,108,185

I think by looking at this, it is pretty clear why a lvl bigger than 105 is not needed. No one will ever get to that lvl in PWI. EVER (well, unless a lvl 100+ wins the facebook event).

To get to lvl 100 u need 303,626,185 total XP
To get from 100 to 105 u need ...what.... 8.5 billion xp or so ( to lazy to do the math)?
Good luck with that!

first get to 100, then worry about how to get over.
Interesting how lvl 60s and 70s are starting to worry about lvl cap and know more about sage/demon skills and gameplay than the ones actually playing a demon/sage char, isn't it?

Rheth - Sanctuary

31 levels to go ;O

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

The best is, that we all meet once time there. So now whois PKer lower level. Once time today low level will be the same level as PKer. So revenge can come.b:victory

Paynefulsynn - Heavens Tear

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think by looking at this, it is pretty clear why a lvl bigger than 105 is not needed. No one will ever get to that lvl in PWI. EVER (well, unless a lvl 100+ wins the facebook event).

To get to lvl 100 u need 303,626,185 total XP
To get from 100 to 105 u need ...what.... 8.5 billion xp or so ( to lazy to do the math)?
Good luck with that!

first get to 100, then worry about how to get over.
Interesting how lvl 60s and 70s are starting to worry about lvl cap and know more about sage/demon skills and gameplay than the ones actually playing a demon/sage char, isn't it?

If they implement a level cap of 150 in this game, users that are 103 right now will be 130-140+ when the cap gets added.

This version has changed the exp required per level because of the low level cap, if they implement the other versions cap they will have to patch in their exp required to level.

if anyone reaches lvl 105 before they up the cap they will auto be 150 when they patch it in.

According to other versions, my current amount of exp required for me to level would put me at lvl 98 not 89.

In other MMOs I've played when they've upped the level cap or added in new job changes they prorated exp and skills points.

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Ecatomb is not run by PWE. So you can't really use that site to judge content in PWI. The only reason that level 130 stuff is even there is because it exists in the other versions of the game.

eternalnab

Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How old is PWI ? Yes, a bit over 1 year.

Give it a couple more or so, you will see a bunch of players reaching that famous 105 lvl.

BUT : who, in his/her, right mind will continue past lvl 105 as it stands now ?

i didnt read anything....but lvl100-105 is so called hardcap so ppl would stop lvling at 100 but there are nolifers who will continue lvling... well gz to em i hope that they dun get back stabbed after lvlcap is raised someday...and on OP if u check AH there is lvl115 axes on HT been like 1 year also options for lvl130 stuffs but not in game yet

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

i just thought i would post that little find. i thought it interesting, wanted to share it.

yes, i know ecatomb isnt run by PWI, but so far it has been a fair guide as to what we can look forward to in coming months. my main frustration has been about the clothes- i see SO many i would like, elegant, pretty. but so far, the only one has been the wedding dress, to hit our shop, of the ones i've hoped for. but i keep hoping and waiting....b:thanks

Moloch - Raging Tide

Final levels are only there for the hardcore people, the seekers of the perfect char. Just see it this way, if the cap was 100, it would mean exp count would stop and many people would probably ask "I wish I knew how many exp did I got since I hitted level 100 6 months ago..."; problem solved with a cap for fanatics.
And if the cap was raised, I think it's fair to assume new instances/mobs/etc would be added, so it would be more or less the same as leveling now to the current cap (would make previous cap much easier).
Sure many remember the times when BH didn't existed, a simple quest system made the leveling much easier.

eternalnab

Moloch - Raging Tide wrote: »

Final levels are only there for the hardcore people, the seekers of the perfect char. Just see it this way, if the cap was 100, it would mean exp count would stop and many people would probably ask "I wish I knew how many exp did I got since I hitted level 100 6 months ago..."; problem solved with a cap for fanatics.
And if the cap was raised, I think it's fair to assume new instances/mobs/etc would be added, so it would be more or less the same as leveling now to the current cap (would make previous cap much easier).
Sure many remember the times when BH didn't existed, a simple quest system made the leveling much easier.

lvlcap will raise soon oor later lvl100-105 for who dont has anything else to do....look AH there is options already for lvl130stuffs also theres someone been seeling lvl115 Tordnado axes in AH for almost year...do u ppl think that when cap is upped u need that amount of exp per lvl? and no dont say MY-EN did and dat their lvlcap is still105 and we passed em over year ago on updates and P.S for those LC and HL ppl who still dont know theres no tideborn expansion yet..or wat name is ever called in my-en prolly agritage and lamb of light...and then we others need to learn those term cuz elite MY-EN-PWI uses those...j/k sry im bored

Lazyluna - Heavens Tear

There are two types of level caps: "soft cap" and "hard cap".

105 is our hard cap right now. You can't level past it. There is no level 106.

A soft cap is a level you can pass. It's just the point where the required exp to level starts multiplying insanely. 99 is our soft cap. The total exp from 99 to 100 is over double (200%+!) that from 98 to 99. 100-101 is over 4x 99-100! And so on. All after a gradual slightly above 10% (I'm not crunching the exact numbers while I smell brownies cooling) increase from 80-99, each level? That's a soft cap. It's a witch. We hate it... passionately.

At one point (way back in 2008) the soft cap was 60. If I remember correctly the hard cap was 80. Back then, 60-61 was a major pain. Now... well, lol, so what? Getting to 80 is even considered perfectly doable. We have BH's now, we didn't ALWAYS have those. Remember? New ways to gain exp easier will be implemented for the "higher levels" when the devs decide it's time to work towards a cap raise.

When the hard cap is raised, so is the soft cap. If they raise the hard cap above 105, the soft cap will raise with it. When this happens, it'll be much easier for players to get to level 100 and even past it. It'll still be tough, just not as painful. Heck, if they ever implement a 150 hard cap then 100-105 will be like 60-61 now for the most part. And anyone who was crazy enough to grind past the soft cap will be uber pissed. (Seeing as how the newbies don't have to work much for it at all.)

All sorts of things can be altered with patches. Exp requirements and new quests for easier leveling are included. Best to identify the soft cap and not bother with struggling past it. Unless that floats your boat, then by all means, go right on ahead.

eternalnab

Lazyluna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

At one point (way back in 2008) the soft cap was 60. If I remember correctly the hard cap was 80. Back then, 60-61 was a major pain

in PWI lvlcap has been always 105 pw-ms had lvl80 cap if i remember rite

Nudefoxy - Lost City

o0 i heard 150 was max but oh well

PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear

Nudefoxy - Lost City wrote: »

o0 i heard 150 was max but oh well

naa i think it was on p2p version but yeh lvl150 is max on someday and its nao on priv.servers which are lame as bad cheese

Lazyluna - Heavens Tear

eternalnab wrote: »

in PWI lvlcap has been always 105 pw-ms had lvl80 cap if i remember rite

I stand corrected then. 2008 was a long time ago for me. b:surrender

Regardless, if the hard cap were raised then the soft cap would be too.

PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear

Lazyluna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I stand corrected then. 2008 was a long time ago for me. b:surrender

Regardless, if the hard cap were raised then the soft cap would be too.

ive played PWI since openbeta it started Sep 2nd 2008 and cap been always 105 in this version ^^ and oh hai im Eternalnub..some how my venos avatar is banned =D and this not just wanted try out ^^