High Level Cleric

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

This post here states two things:
1.) Vanguard spirit does not increase physical defense. A buff that increases physical defense by a percentage of your defense does not increase your defense? What sense does that make?
2.) Only armour raises physical defense. Nothing else will. Buffs will.

See the point Im trying to make?

What nonsense are you blathering on about!? By that logic, Beast King's Inspiration would increase HP too!

Oh wait...

Diancecht - Harshlands

I totally ignore people that QQ about a cleric healing during a duel. It's one of our primary skills. A cleric that DOESN'T heal (if needed) during a duel is an idiot IMHO.

Whenever melee classes agree to duels without their weapon I'll agree to duels without my spell skills...

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

This post here states two things:
1.) Vanguard spirit does not increase physical defense. A buff that increases physical defense by a percentage of your defense does not increase your defense? What sense does that make?
2.) Only armour raises physical defense. Nothing else will. Buffs will.

See the point Im trying to make?

You missed my point entirely.

MeatbunXD - Dreamweaver

Vanguard Spirit doesn't raise your physical defense? Impossible!

"Grant the target additional physical defense equal to 60% of equipment value "

If you want to test it out:

1. While unbuffed, open your character stats window.
2. Look at your unbuffed physical defense.
3. Buff yourself with vanguard's spirit.
4. Close the character stats window.
5. Reopen the window, and recheck your physical defense now that you're buffed.

It does work. >_> Test it out in duels to see the difference if you don't believe the numbers. b:surrender

Aadi - Lost City

I never cared to look at this thread, because I assumed it would be all about sharding. I decide to finally look at the last page and it's a discussion on whether or not buffs actually work? Lol.

MeatbunXD - Dreamweaver

Sheyde - Sanctuary wrote: »

Some guy told me that good build cleric can even kill a barb in PK, that's my question, because so far every one can kill me, yesterday Archer lv 62 won with me, and i had Plume shell on. So Reset all vitality to 5, get equipment with vitality and all to mag...or delete
cleric and start all over again on Assasin

That guy was right. A cleric is capable of owning any class in the game. It mostly depends on the player, skills, build, and equipment. Each class has some sort of advantage over another class, and I believe that the cleric is very versatile. I've dueled different classes, and I can say that it's possible. For archers, hit plume shell right when the duel starts. That usually gives enough time to stack Ironhearts before nuking the other player. Make sure to have mp food or an mp charm, as plume shell eats up mana like crazy. Feel free to use debuffs such as elemental seal, silent seal, and/or sleep. I heal in between my attacks and plume shell whenever it's available. If your ironhearts can't keep up with the damage and plume shell is on cool down, spam wellspring surge. It instantly heals a chunk of your hp. For other melee classes, you can kite them with great cyclone, use elemental seal, wield thunder, and tempest them to death. As for other robes, plume shot with dimensional seal does wonders.

I'd just have to warn you about restatting all of you vit to 5. By doing that, you're planning to go pure magic. Pure offensive builds have a high damage output but low survivability (high attack but low hp). Anyways, I've seen different cleric builds perform well in pvp situations, so it's not a fail class. e_e If that was true, I don't think I would have ever made a cleric my main. Each person has their own playing style. If you feel a cleric isn't right for you, then try a different character.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

This thread made me lol.

My lvl 66 cleric:
Without vanguard: 548
With vanguard: 833
My equipment's not anything special for my level, either...

TCHP - Lost City

I will not speak for arcane cleric. But has a Light Armor I can definitely tell you that pking a Barb or BM is hard, But possible.

Has a LA Cleric I have tried to defend myself many time and mostly fail. But now that I have reach lv 80 and that I did spend 4 month buying all my skill to the max power. I have won a fight vs a lv 90 BM. I' sure it was not the most powerful BM of all time. But still I had a hard time and I only got him because of my high critical rate. You still need very good potion and genie etc. Frankly it takes almost all my little change but it's possible.

A few thing you can try, Chromatic seal, elemental seal, thunder ball, silent seal, wield thunder. Hope that thunder ball lower his hp whiteout triggering the his charm and them finish him whit good spell. This should be very powerful on arcane cleric since they do a lot more damage them LA.

Got hit first then hit that Plume shield. and if you have it guardian light. both can overlap or it can cover the cool down time of plume shield. Drain good MP pot in defense and trow a stun ASAP. Then recover, debuff, and try to kill.

Venomancer... forget it. The only veno i ever won vs were lower level. Even whit the nullify poison of my genie, I barely have time to see them hit me. But some say if you can survive, trow purify in there asap to undo the nix ability.

Has far has Soulgem, My build does not give me high HP, so I have to put Citrine in the armor. Arcane I guess would be a good idea to have Pdef. But considering there low str, I would save my point to max out the damage. And make 1/2 hp and def. Also there is a lot of high level armor whit physical bonus to defense. Also refining is not an option, all my gear are minimum +3.

TCHP - Lost City

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I want to point out I tested by using vanguard spirit to raise your p.def and it doesn't so I am correcting myself here.It is the armour that does and items nothing else.

Totally false, Try to close and reopen the stat window after the buff. you will see that the Pdef went up.

Arhil - Heavens Tear

Just a quick note on dueling as a cleric.. (Yea, yea, my avatar's an archer... my cleric's only 1 lvl lower, so sue me XD)

The ONLY class I have a hard time beating in a duel, is Archers, and even then they're not impossible.

Dueling someone wearing arcane robes? Try this:
Sleep > Reduced PDef seal (cant remember name) > Spark (or double) > Plume Shot til dead

Oh, they're wearing heavy armor? Ok then...
Sleep > Reduced MRes seal > Spark (double) > Cyclone / WT / metal atks til dead

In short, even though they may seem like a minor skill, get those seals lvl'd! XD

Fuyukoneko - Heavens Tear

I don't have phys defense .___.

b:surrenderb:surrender

Skybelle - Sanctuary

Arhil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just a quick note on dueling as a cleric.. (Yea, yea, my avatar's an archer... my cleric's only 1 lvl lower, so sue me XD)

The ONLY class I have a hard time beating in a duel, is Archers, and even then they're not impossible.

Dueling someone wearing arcane robes? Try this:
Sleep > Reduced PDef seal (cant remember name) > Spark (or double) > Plume Shot til dead

Oh, they're wearing heavy armor? Ok then...
Sleep > Reduced MRes seal > Spark (double) > Cyclone / WT / metal atks til dead

In short, even though they may seem like a minor skill, get those seals lvl'd! XD

I somewhat dislike using chromatic seal in the beginning. Putting your opponents to sleep first seems like a cheap way to win (that's why I lose a lot, teehee). Sometimes, I use it, sometimes I don't. Depending on the enemy, of course. b:surrender

What I usually do is Ironheart x2 > Plume Shell (if needed) > Elemental Seal > Purify > Spark/Double Spark (optional) > Wield Thunder > Ironheart (again, if needed) > Cyclone > Chromatic Seal > Tempest Spike. b:chuckle If Plume Shell drains my MP in duels though, I QQ. Teehee.

@ TCHP - Venos are just...annoying. Their flaming chicken...(although at my level, there aren't many with the flaming chicken or the big fat baby) b:angry. I feel...bad for killing their pets, sometimes. I mean, I'd rather them to die than me losing...but then when it comes to veno friends...b:chuckle

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Why would sleeping your opponent of the bat seam like a cheat?
Then Bm's who always come to one nm (nano metar) of you and stun you the very second is cheating too, and you dont see anyone complaining rawr.

Do what you have to do to win b:thanks

Clercie - Sanctuary

i just raise my vitality instead of str. and after lvl 70 i also stopped using garnets and now im using citrines, if your skills are max you should be able to kill a phys mob your lvl with 5-6 casts,while he will hit you 1-2 times.

Ahira - Lost City

I dont normally use sleep from the start either. You shouldnt really need to and most likely the other person would be expecting you to sleep them at the beginning anyway and plan for that.

Cleric with right strategy should be able to beat most classes in duel though.

Arhil - Heavens Tear

True, the might plan for it... But sleep casts faster than their stuns do, so unless they're using apoth or something to negate it, there isn't much they can do to stop it.

As Nelae said, do what you gotta do. Don't fight fair, that's how you lose. Fight to win. XD

Ahira - Lost City

Arhil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

True, the might plan for it... But sleep casts faster than their stuns do, so unless they're using apoth or something to negate it, there isn't much they can do to stop it.

As Nelae said, do what you gotta do. Don't fight fair, that's how you lose. Fight to win. XD

Yes apoth but also immunity to sleep skills- which EA and BM have. Both those skills have instant cast so they'll be immune by the time sleep has channelled.

AlanWake - Harshlands

Sheyde - Sanctuary wrote: »

Cleric = weakest class

i think have your problem is your so negative about your class
at your your lvl a plume shell and sleep combo should take out archers around your lvl and below quite easily.

1.6k physical defense buffed seems a but low for your lvl, then again i could be wrong

i would just keep giving it time and make it to 80, things start to get better.

Though you already are talking about making a sin, so i think your already half decided on giving up on your cleric b:shocked

TCHP - Lost City

Skybelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I somewhat dislike using chromatic seal in the beginning. Putting your opponents to sleep first seems like a cheap way to win (that's why I lose a lot, teehee). Sometimes, I use it, sometimes I don't. Depending on the enemy, of course. b:surrender

What I usually do is Ironheart x2 > Plume Shell (if needed) > Elemental Seal > Purify > Spark/Double Spark (optional) > Wield Thunder > Ironheart (again, if needed) > Cyclone > Chromatic Seal > Tempest Spike. b:chuckle If Plume Shell drains my MP in duels though, I QQ. Teehee.

@ TCHP - Venos are just...annoying. Their flaming chicken...(although at my level, there aren't many with the flaming chicken or the big fat baby) b:angry. I feel...bad for killing their pets, sometimes. I mean, I'd rather them to die than me losing...but then when it comes to veno friends...b:chuckle

Lol I don't feel bad at all killing a veno whit a herc or a nix. I fact I find great satisfaction. If cleric had a 250$ boutique item to give us an edge I would not find satisfaction in killing them.

Well I reach lv 88 recently and I have been pvping a lot more. Cleric can kill any one if there lucky, so far I have 2 shot and 3 shot 2 red Archer lv 100 and 101 from ThaClick. I also kick a bunch of 8X to 9X Bm and barb. My lv 10 tempest reach 12k crit and I 1 shot 2 Barb and almon so far. I tempest a lv 101 archer from kamisama for 2/3 of his hp. His damage was faster and he got me. If tempest had crit I would have kill and other lv 101 Archer. I had a bunch of sin pop up on me also, Use secound wind and plume shell asap, then Use cyclone siren ( to stun him so he can't disapear) then Weild. Most 8x sin die trying to get me. 9x use 3x spark so I usually die before I can use the shield. Most player I kill also I never use Spark, I find the chi more usefull for other skill. Wizard can be kill also but I need more channel speed for higher level. Veno whit no pet are fairly easy to kill. It become more complicated vs a nix but it's still can be done. I found a nice apothecary pot that help a lot. 1 thing that is hard for cleric is that whit all those heling skill u have, in pvp they are just a waist of damage/time. I found that using pot is required both for MP/HP and whit charms, the owning is greater.

Decus - Dreamweaver

TCHP - Lost City wrote: »

Lol I don't feel bad at all killing a veno whit a herc or a nix. I fact I find great satisfaction. If cleric had a 250$ boutique item to give us an edge I would not find satisfaction in killing them.

Well I reach lv 88 recently and I have been pvping a lot more. Cleric can kill any one if there lucky, so far I have 2 shot and 3 shot 2 red Archer lv 100 and 101 from ThaClick. I also kick a bunch of 8X to 9X Bm and barb. My lv 10 tempest reach 12k crit and I 1 shot 2 Barb and almon so far. I tempest a lv 101 archer from kamisama for 2/3 of his hp. His damage was faster and he got me. If tempest had crit I would have kill and other lv 101 Archer. I had a bunch of sin pop up on me also, Use secound wind and plume shell asap, then Use cyclone siren ( to stun him so he can't disapear) then Weild. Most 8x sin die trying to get me. 9x use 3x spark so I usually die before I can use the shield. Most player I kill also I never use Spark, I find the chi more usefull for other skill. Wizard can be kill also but I need more channel speed for higher level. Veno whit no pet are fairly easy to kill. It become more complicated vs a nix but it's still can be done. I found a nice apothecary pot that help a lot. 1 thing that is hard for cleric is that whit all those heling skill u have, in pvp they are just a waist of damage/time. I found that using pot is required both for MP/HP and whit charms, the owning is greater.

Again, necro = bad...

TCHP - Lost City

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again, necro = bad...

WT are you a moderator ? If it's to old it should be lock !

Fruitluips - Lost City

Regardless of the necro, lots of bad advice in this thread

HP is always the way to go. Get pdef neck/belt, refine them a bit, and don't add garnets to anything unless it'd give an appreciable % resistance increase. I got about 42% iirc, and when I stop being lazy and get my sleeves it'll be even higher. Once approaching level 100 it might be time to consider some big boy garnets; I can only give advice up to my own level, but what I suggested works fine for pvp and pve

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

Why don't they put an auto lock feature on threads? If a thread goes more than 30 days without getting a reply, it gets locked. With the exception of stickies

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why don't they put an auto lock feature on threads? If a thread goes more than 30 days without getting a reply, it gets locked. With the exception of stickies

I doubt these forums are capable of doing that b:laugh And it's not like the mods/GMs should have to go through every subforum and lock old threads, when members could just use common sense and not bring back a thread that hasn't been posted in in 7 months b:victory

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I doubt these forums are capable of doing that b:laugh And it's not like the mods/GMs should have to go through every subforum and lock old threads, when members could just use common sense and not bring back a thread that hasn't been posted in in 7 months b:victory

You give the PW community too much credit. Honestly.

These kids can't even use a search function. You expect them to have the common sense to not post in a thread that hasn't been looked at since January of '09? Good luck.

And I think these forums could do that. It isn't that difficult.

TCHP - Lost City

Wow 1st necroed then Hijack, who is gonna get ban 1st !

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear

Noone, because no mods ever check here b:laugh

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why don't they put an auto lock feature on threads? If a thread goes more than 30 days without getting a reply, it gets locked. With the exception of stickies

That would be kind of useless and all boards have different rules as they don't like new threads being made if there is one already.The question that is asked may pertain to the topic at hand in the 2 month old thread.

My post your cleric thread is an exception here as I asked eatwithspoons about this already and he merged them as someone made another.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

TCHP - Lost City wrote: »

Wow 1st necroed then Hijack, who is gonna get ban 1st !

what are u an overexcited 6yr old?

Almon - Lost City

TCHP - Lost City wrote: »

Lol I don't feel bad at all killing a veno whit a herc or a nix. I fact I find great satisfaction. If cleric had a 250$ boutique item to give us an edge I would not find satisfaction in killing them.

Well I reach lv 88 recently and I have been pvping a lot more. Cleric can kill any one if there lucky, so far I have 2 shot and 3 shot 2 red Archer lv 100 and 101 from ThaClick. I also kick a bunch of 8X to 9X Bm and barb. My lv 10 tempest reach 12k crit and I 1 shot 2 Barb and almon so far. I tempest a lv 101 archer from kamisama for 2/3 of his hp. His damage was faster and he got me. If tempest had crit I would have kill and other lv 101 Archer. I had a bunch of sin pop up on me also, Use secound wind and plume shell asap, then Use cyclone siren ( to stun him so he can't disapear) then Weild. Most 8x sin die trying to get me. 9x use 3x spark so I usually die before I can use the shield. Most player I kill also I never use Spark, I find the chi more usefull for other skill. Wizard can be kill also but I need more channel speed for higher level. Veno whit no pet are fairly easy to kill. It become more complicated vs a nix but it's still can be done. I found a nice apothecary pot that help a lot. 1 thing that is hard for cleric is that whit all those heling skill u have, in pvp they are just a waist of damage/time. I found that using pot is required both for MP/HP and whit charms, the owning is greater.

Keep in mind any BM can die pretty easily when crit with tempest while using phys marrow