Endgame foxform veno

Esuna - Raging Tide

ketzer wrote: »

i recently tested a foxform glitch which makes it possible to wear fists in foxform.
but its way too much work to do it all the time thou the dmg output turned out to be nice.
maybe ill make a foxform veno with tt100 fists just for the laughs xD.
wondering if the foxformclawusage is able to outdd bms. ill keep you posted how it goes
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1862523a4cca6a56

Ahem, you asked me how to wear claws in Fox and I told you.. how is that "you" tested..?

And no, you can't out-DD a BM, we can't match the interval. They also have the masteries. You might be able to out-DD fist archers with 4.0, but that's about it.

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »

the ONLY way it might we possible is why having a 0% durability turning foxform and repairs it in foxform.
glitch or no glitch not worth it

For you perhaps.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

why dont you let the rest of us into your big fist-fox secret then b:chuckle

being a pure fox melee veno who wants to be a bm is just silly.
why would any party looking for a bm take a veno instead?
if you do it right, you can have respectable interval, respectable physical and magic damage.
sacrificing too much magic for physical attack is wasting your character's potential, and is as limiting as focusing purely on channeling while ignoring other aspects.

veno's are the most versitile character, and if your sacrifice too much from any aspect you lose out on the versitility, which is where their real strength is.



and stop posting ridiculous impossible endgame gear builds with PWcalc, or ill take it away again.

tweakz

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

being a pure fox melee veno who wants to be a bm is just silly.
why would any party looking for a bm take a veno instead?

Sage Melee Mastery for Veno: 200% dmg increase and costs little.
Sage Fist Mastery for BM: 90% dmg increase and probably costs more.

Sage Fox Form gains 120% pdef that can stack with BM buff (also very cheap under 1m).
Sage Aura of Golden Bell gains only 90% and runs about 20m.

Sage Fox Form gains 200% Acc
BMs will pay more for the same Acc.

if you do it right, you can have respectable interval, respectable physical and magic damage.
sacrificing too much magic for physical attack is wasting your character's potential, and is as limiting as focusing purely on channeling while ignoring other aspects.

Casting Ironwood, and or Tangling Mire is wasteful when you're casting instead of melee. Having both interval gear and channeling gear is costly and makes your killing slower on average.

veno's are the most versitile character, and if your sacrifice too much from any aspect you lose out on the versitility, which is where their real strength is.

The payoff for being that versatile is being gimped at everything instead of strong at most things.

Silvia_Xenth - Lost City

i do hope the kill interval for all but bm cos its a bm game style archer alredy feel it
i mean we havent feelt weak on all our lvs untill end game right no hp/mp pots we can grind limitless even me as a pure robe foxform have almost sero dificulty even with a sht pet.

and devs in the end do gimp stuff.

when ppl use a glitch 2 much also why take away what bm did lack so much

all u knew how bm hade 2 struggle for them being a bm and if u were a fist/claw user
ppl whould bugg u nonstop let them have their godly weapon its their turn.

era of nix venomancer is OVER

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Sage Melee Mastery for Veno: 200% dmg increase and costs little.
Sage Fist Mastery for BM: 90% dmg increase and probably costs more.

Sage Fox Form gains 120% pdef that can stack with BM buff (also very cheap under 1m).
Sage Aura of Golden Bell gains only 90% and runs about 20m.

Sage Fox Form gains 200% Acc
BMs will pay more for the same Acc.



Casting Ironwood, and or Tangling Mire is wasteful when you're casting instead of melee. Having both interval gear and channeling gear is costly and makes your killing slower on average.



The payoff for being that versatile is being gimped at everything instead of strong at most things.

Don't forget the veno's HF, aoe's, and stuns.

Oh, also since very very few fist bm's go demon, we'll skip that part too.

It would actually make sense for a HA/AA build to have both, though for most things venos do 90+ you don't need that much channeling (10-20% is sufficient for a HA/AA build), so one can be economical and invest smartly in interval (cape, wrists, legs) and channeling (rings/chest/head) depending on which pieces of gear they have free from needing for stats bonuses to use gear. Or, making an equivalent -channel on top of it is really not expensive at all. Can easily use a sea captains sleeve or TT90 gold AA wrist. Veno's are indeed incredibly versatile. Not nearly as powerful as a fist bm, but decent (not outstanding) in phys and magic dmg, as well as being able to tank things (either with a herc or in fox form).

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Yeesh, this was on the forums ages ago.
The process, for those who can't figure it out from those who hinted it:
1. Human form. Equip fists. Wear them down to zeor.
2. Go fox.
3. Repair fists.

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

Esuna - Raging Tide wrote: »

Those builds don't even make it worth going Fox tbh.

I disagree strongly on that. The first build is my current gear(Really built to go AA/HA), and with it my damage in fox form kicks out more damage than the average caster Veno. Battling with BMs and Barbs, it generally goes to my favor. And if the cleric or archer dont see my armor before going in, it buys me time to use Domain+Tranquilizing orbs -> spark and kill. In fact I need to watch my sparking when doing runs with my factions higher level barbs, as I usually steal aggro with crits up to 35k dependig on how much damage amp we get in on the bosses. Also, I use genie skills actively to get 2.00 aps. Usually this means that spark give me 35-40k damage per second. If thats not worth going fox for, then I want to see a build thats ATTAINABLE without too much money spent wich dishes out at least 1k more damage per hit on the sheet.

ketzer

ehw missed lots of events these days due to exam time at university but i soloed today no feeding and this was the result of nq1:

which is 2 arcane venos passing the 10k ez, thou considering esunas low score they might have squadded, not sure bout that.

kenlee

a HA veno will never ever replace a BM in any of his jobs. just because you have a self buff called fox form it doesnt mean that you can buff a squad or you dont need golden bell. just because you gain 200% accuracy it doesnt mean anything for a squad, even that amount its very very low for a HA veno. a bm can have like 3-4 times more accuracy than a HA veno anyway since its the class that get the biggest amount of accuracy in this game.

those excuses that a book cost a few mils more than another are just.. whatever. even with the same best equipment as a bm, a veno cant solo his fb99 or any TT from 1-1 to 3-3. you dont have the atk speed, the phys atk sparked, perma spark, marrows, self heal (that is much better skill that leech is), also even sparks heal, stuns and aoes... and so on.
a bm is the most versatile class in this game, has the amount of skills and weapons to do almost anything

tweakz

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not nearly as powerful as a fist bm, but decent (not outstanding) in phys and magic dmg, as well as being able to tank things (either with a herc or in fox form).

Sage fox veno has +150% pdef, +250% acc, and Sage Melee Mastery +200% dmg increase. -BMs have? Oh, forgot to mention: +30% dmg from Amp which lasts a lot longer than HF.

Esuna - Raging Tide

ketzer wrote: »

ehw missed lots of events these days due to exam time at university but i soloed today no feeding and this was the result of nq1:

which is 2 arcane venos passing the 10k ez, thou considering esunas low score they might have squadded, not sure bout that.

a) Nobody was at nien today
b) squadded

The nien event after that I got like 16k squadded so yeah, no fist BMs on. It's like me saying that I can easily break 16k squadded, while I can't if there's a normal amount of people.

kenlee

tweakz wrote: »

Sage fox veno has +150% pdef, +250% acc, and Sage Melee Mastery +200% dmg increase. -BMs have? Oh, forgot to mention: +30% dmg from Amp which lasts a lot longer than HF.

coz you gonna be able to cast amplify with fists xD

tweakz

kenlee wrote: »

coz you gonna be able to cast amplify with fists xD

Dratz! b:laugh

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Sage Melee Mastery for Veno: 200% dmg increase and costs little.
Sage Fist Mastery for BM: 90% dmg increase and probably costs more.

Sage Fox Form gains 120% pdef that can stack with BM buff (also very cheap under 1m).
Sage Aura of Golden Bell gains only 90% and runs about 20m.

Sage Fox Form gains 200% Acc
BMs will pay more for the same Acc.

BMs have more accuracy inherently, especially fist builds, unless you're a dex-build veno, whatever that is


Casting Ironwood, and or Tangling Mire is wasteful when you're casting instead of melee. unless your in a party with any physical characters, or you're using a pet o.0 how can a physical defense debuff that does more damage than the other non-DoT cast skills ever be a waste?

Having both interval gear and channeling gear is costly and makes your killing slower on average.



The payoff for being that versatile is being gimped at everything instead of strong at most things.

I'm walking the walk, not just talking about it. I have yet to have anyone tell me i'm gimped or weak after they've run with me. fox form or caster.