Want ease of leveling, endgame capability info for classes

Qwentomec - Heavens Tear

Let me throw a slight spanner into the works :P

I have both a barb and a wiz as alts. Now of course the wiz is squishier, but he kills mobs so fast he rarely gets hit, and even if he does get hit he is an LA wiz, so it's not too bad.
However the best thing about my wiz is that he is just *fun*. He kills mobs fast and breezes through quests; and it's a nice challenge trying to drop mobs without being hit...and games are all about challenges right?

Now my barb, he's never gonna die, but he kills mobs sooooooooo slowly its a bore fest. Getting through a quest that needs say 30 kills will take like an hour, and my wiz will do it in less than half that time. Because he is so boring and it takes so long to kill mobs, wouldn't that make it much harder to raise a barb than a wiz? Yet most people here have put wiz as being harder to lvl than a barb :P

HollowMartyr - Raging Tide

Qwentomec - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let me throw a slight spanner into the works :P

I have both a barb and a wiz as alts. Now of course the wiz is squishier, but he kills mobs so fast he rarely gets hit, and even if he does get hit he is an LA wiz, so it's not too bad.
However the best thing about my wiz is that he is just *fun*. He kills mobs fast and breezes through quests; and it's a nice challenge trying to drop mobs without being hit...and games are all about challenges right?

Now my barb, he's never gonna die, but he kills mobs sooooooooo slowly its a bore fest. Getting through a quest that needs say 30 kills will take like an hour, and my wiz will do it in less than half that time. Because he is so boring and it takes so long to kill mobs, wouldn't that make it much harder to raise a barb than a wiz? Yet most people here have put wiz as being harder to lvl than a barb :P

Agreed There are so many factors in this...That's why I wish someone would make some epic guide explaining them all for each of the classes... From leveling solo and party...How difficult it is to quest or find groups...ect. Fun and repetition factors of their skills and such... Then how will people complain that they can't decide which class to choose when all that info is neatly compiled in one guide XD

Seems like too much work for one person unless they have endgame experience with every class so I was hoping we could come together with some awesome-tastic infos XD

Darcwolf - Lost City

Juggernaut - Harshlands wrote: »

I can't really comment on the other classes, but I can speak for Barbs.

It sucks.

No, seriously. Leveling up a Barb is such a pain in the ****. Grinding and questing is just not fun, nor easy. More then likely, you have to fight magic mobs, and our damage output is laughable. I have major respect for anyone who can stick with it til 90+. It just isn't very fun or enjoyable.

Anyone who says barb is hard to level either doesn't know how to play or never leveled armageddon..... well I guess those go together.

I didn't level armageddon early on but I wish I had, around 8x I started aoe grinding on death knights outside 1k streams. A group of 10 was a 1 shot no problem, stack that with a justice quest and its easy.

And once you get the 3rd back in time map you can get exp faster than any class IMO, if you have maxed your armageddon and have a decent amount of HP.

Just make sure you have tree or protection and tangling mire and aoe grinding is a breeze.

Alantor - Dreamweaver

Cleric levelling : 1. (VERY easy).

Simple reason : the first few levels you will have it a *bit* harder then most classes, but once you get your heals to a decent enough lvl :
-you get into a LOT of squads
-you get into a LOT of fb's
-you can solo pretty much everything around your level, with the exception of bosses where a tank is needed, but this is the same for everyone.

Levelling a cleric is easy. You hardly use pots (if you go full mag) cause you do a lot of damage, both in Physical (plumeshot) as in elemental(cyclone) range.

The ONLY downside to levelling a cleric is the use of only 2 major skills : plumeshot and great cyclone. You don't have much variety in skills to kill mobs, unless you AoE. And that only comes when you have levelled your aoeskills to a decent level.

and think about this : Have you EVER seen a BH or TT or FC or zhen WITHOUT a cleric ? I think not. (Talking squads here, not soloing tt).

Clerics without a doubt are, together with barbs, the most wanted class in any decent instance run. That makes clerics one of the easiest classes to level.

As for endgame : i haven't reached it yet, but from what i've heard and read, clerics can be very dangerous adversaries provided the player knows what he/she's doing and how well their gear is.

My simple list :

Cleric : 1
Veno : 1
Bm : 2 or 3
Archer : 3 (talking lower levels, no exp. high lvl)
Barb : 3 or 4 (depending on gear/build)
wizard : 2 or 4 (depending on gear/setup)

I don't play a sin or psy(atm), but from what i've heard, they level pretty well provided they are managed right.

Isala - Sanctuary

Taking into account all options available to you, such as Rebirth, Frost, Zhen, BHs, CSes, WQs, and just plain grinding... There is no "Hard leveling" There is only picking something you are good at, and sticking with it.

For instance.

Rebirth. Needed Classes: Barb, Wizard, Archer, Cleric, Blademaster. Optional: Veno, and since we don't have an info on them, Psychic, and Assassin.

Frost. Needed Classes: Barb/BM, Cleric. Insert DDs as needed.

Zhen. Needed Classes: Wizard, Archer, Cleric. Insert Pullers as Needed.

Bounty Hunter. Premier Classes: Barb, Cleric, Veno. Insert DDs as needed.

Crazy Stone. Anyone can do this. Period.

World Quest. Anyone can do this, as well.

Grinding. Premier Classes: Veno, Wizard, Psychic, Cleric, BM. Decent classes: Archer, Assassin. Horrible class: Barb.

So, honestly, there should be none of this silly "Who levels fastest" discussion. If you're not levelling fast enough, find something your class excels at, and do it.

As for Endgame, I'll let you know when I get my 8 characters to 9x, k?

DrDrakken - Lost City

uh...*is confused*.. so... the dmg multiplier a barb recieves from str is lower than what a bm gets? :S

Solandri - Heavens Tear

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sorry, I admit "never" getting hit was a bit of an overstatement. ^^ What I meant was if you're good at your class you wont die from it too often. Even when I got hit or agro I could just kite a bit until my pet pulled it back. Plus venos have several emergency hp restore methods.

Problem is starting with the second boss in FB51, it's impossible for a veno to do appropriate-level bosses without a herc. Even with multiple venos healing the same pet. The class everyone regards as easy because they're "the solo class" becomes group-dependent at that point. I tried it in both 51 and 59 without my herc, 69 isn't even doable with herc @ 80 unless you resort to some very coordinated tag-team summon/stow techniques.

So while venos are easiest at early levels, around mid-levels they become average, and at high levels IMHO they're the hardest to level. Their non-legendary pets can't tank any bosses (well, maybe Djinnscream LOL), they'll be passed up in favor of archers and wizards as extra DD (veno AOE skills suck), and a genie can now do 98% of the pulling that used to require a veno.

So unless you buy a herc, I'd agree with Reikara's assessment of a veno as 5 at higher levels. At higher levels with herc, I'd rank group desirability as cleric and barb 1, archer and veno 2, wizard 3. I'd rank ability to gain exp as cleric and barb 1, archer and wizard 2, veno 3.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

DrDrakken - Lost City wrote: »

uh...*is confused*.. so... the dmg multiplier a barb recieves from str is lower than what a bm gets? :S

Most barbs focus their build on tanking, so they dump extra points into vit and lack the dex to use much more than hammers and axes. At higher levels, the DPS on the faster weapons completely blows the slower weapons away once you start getting -0.05 and -0.1 interval gear.