Mid/High Mat Thiefs - What do you do...?
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define thief....
i have never seen anyone's name on a mat spot. if i am out mat hunting, or just generally hunting, and i see a mat i need, i dig it up. occasionally, there might be another player zooming in on the same one. the way i see it, whoever gets there first, has the mat. mat runs/routes do not belong to anyone..if i find that an area has too many people in it, i just go elsewhere, or do something else till i know that there will be fewer people in the area.
if players just took the time to look up the maps on the database, print them out, they would see there are tons of places where mats can be found. it isnt necessary to stay in one area 'just because you always have'.
it really *is* that simple.Danikovich - Heavens Tear wrote: »What do you do when you are clearing the mobs from the mine/herb and someone takes them? I note down their names and make sure they and nobody related to them will ever get my help.... and if I have the opportunity lure something on them to kill them b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:chuckle
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Like the Rare pet part.. but if been a rare pet I just would of killed it to stop anyone taming it b:chuckle0 -
At the end of the day it isn't even worth $0.01. Is it really something you need so desperately you have to do everything you can to grab it before your fellow player?
I mean, come on, it's basically a penny on the ground ^^ If the other guy saw it first and is going to pick it up shrug and move on, don't rush forward and grab it cause he tripped. It's not even worth anything, why the ignorant manners over something so meaningless.0 -
Sigh, we hashed over this last time too._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »I mean, come on, it's basically a penny on the ground ^^ If the other guy saw it first and is going to pick it up shrug and move on, don't rush forward and grab it cause he tripped. It's not even worth anything, why the ignorant manners over something so meaningless.
The player community as a whole benefits most when the most mats are mined. More mats on the market means lower prices, and more mats for BH wines, subs, etc. allowing players to do more "fun" things instead of wasting time scouring AH and cat shops for mats at good prices.
The strategy you advocate - moving on if you see someone fighting near a mat - results in fewer mats being mined. Often times, the person fighting will mine the mat. But sometimes they won't. Also, since mats are on a fixed respawn timer which starts after they're mined, the delay in mining it due to the fight also means fewer mats make it to market.
The strategy you call rude - people mining mats whenever they see them, regardless of whether someone is fighting nearby - results in the most mats being brought to market. And thus benefits the community the most.
I am totally on your side about manners and respect when politeness results in the best overall outcome for the community as a whole. e.g. shutting down scam cat shops. But when it results in a worse outcome for the community, I will side with the better interest of the community and say **** the politeness.
Edit: And you're still making the assumption that everyone is a mind reader and knows that you saw the mat and intend to mine it. You cannot judge the morality of people's actions based on what you know. You have to judge them based on what they know.0 -
Ah come on, it's not exactly rocket science. 99% of the time I can accurately tell whether or not someone is going for the mat or just hanging nearby questing. And hey, if you're not sure then just go for it. If it turns out they really were honestly going for the mat simply apologize, offer to drop it and everyone moves on as friends. Unless they hurl insults at you, in which case they deserve no respect.
Either way, a few mats not picked up because of people being respectful is hardly going to influence the entire ingame mat-trade industry. You honestly expect me to believe that? I mean...who cares, it's just a mat. You missed one...big deal.
You're just making excuses to grab all the mats you can... but whatever. I'm not gonna argue or disagree. If you really need that $0.01 that desperately then fine be my guest.
I've personally never had an argument over a mat being nipped off me, if it happens I shrug and move on, I have plenty of ingame coin, it's life. Just annoys me is all.
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Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »The player community as a whole benefits most when the most mats are mined. More mats on the market means lower prices, and more mats for BH wines, subs, etc. allowing players to do more "fun" things instead of wasting time scouring AH and cat shops for mats at good prices.
The strategy you advocate - moving on if you see someone fighting near a mat - results in fewer mats being mined. Often times, the person fighting will mine the mat. But sometimes they won't. Also, since mats are on a fixed respawn timer which starts after they're mined, the delay in mining it due to the fight also means fewer mats make it to market.
The strategy you call rude - people mining mats whenever they see them, regardless of whether someone is fighting nearby - results in the most mats being brought to market. And thus benefits the community the most.
I am totally on your side about manners and respect when politeness results in the best overall outcome for the community as a whole. e.g. shutting down scam cat shops. But when it results in a worse outcome for the community, I will side with the better interest of the community and say **** the politeness.
I disagree with this. On a totally utilitarian view, this is of course the most efficient method and speaking economically, yes society will benefit the most out of this. However, efficiency has never been and should never be the only factor for "politeness".
Most humans, by nature are compassionate, and they will be polite and display courtesy regardless of the economic benefit of society.
People don't help old seniors across the street because it improves efficiency in the community. In fact, we are losing productivity every time I help a senior across the street. I could be a day trader, and every minute the market fluctuates, I could be making thousands and thousands of dollars, which I could in turn it into consumption for the economy, which would have a ripple effect on GDP.
Society doesn't improve its productivity by using our tax dollars to support seniors. In fact, it detracts from efficiency because seniors are already retired, and they don't contribute to the overall growth of the economy. They don't work, they don't spend (as much), and in fact if we were to put the money back in the hands of the working class, the positive effects would be much greater.
But the fact is, most of us are compassionate. Most of us display courtesy. And it's not a matter of economic benefit. To most people, it's a social responsibility and duty to display compassion, courtesy and respect. For the social benefit of society, people do so.
If someone's fighting a mob near a mat, I politely ask them if they are going to mine it. It barely slows me down, and I feel better knowing that I didn't take something the other person worked for. I don't care if less mats are being mined per second, I don't care if there's 1 less mat in the market for the next 30 seconds, for the social benefit between me and him, I ask.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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you are SO right about the lack of simple courtesy and manners ingame. rudness and selfisness are the keywords of most players...and its ruining the game. when i began playing last year, people were happy, helpful, loved to get together with each other, people outside all the FBs looking for the chance to help out and have fun.
wine? ha! the joke back then was 'wine is for whiners and wimps'- people then did all mobs in a dungeon, rather than try to take the express lane through them all, especially not in the high level places, so they wouldnt miss out on any of the exp earning.
now? its not the same game.
- no one outside FBs.
- few new players.
- players only want the highest level players for even the simplest quest assistance/FBs/BHs....why? so they can suck off the exp you are there to earn? high level players who are honest will not do this to lower levels.
- no one will do dungeons unless they are wined, too afraid of a few mobs, too afraid of spending a few more minutes playtime to beat them. they have to have an NPC do their job. if people are in that big a hurry, then they are not playing, its turning into work to be finished ASAP.
its really sad....Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »I disagree with this. On a totally utilitarian view, this is of course the most efficient method and speaking economically, yes society will benefit the most out of this. However, efficiency has never been and should never be the only factor for "politeness".
Most humans, by nature are compassionate, and they will be polite and display courtesy regardless of the economic benefit of society.
People don't help old seniors across the street because it improves efficiency in the community. In fact, we are losing productivity every time I help a senior across the street. I could be a day trader, and every minute the market fluctuates, I could be making thousands and thousands of dollars, which I could in turn it into consumption for the economy, which would have a ripple effect on GDP.
Society doesn't improve its productivity by using our tax dollars to support seniors. In fact, it detracts from efficiency because seniors are already retired, and they don't contribute to the overall growth of the economy. They don't work, they don't spend (as much), and in fact if we were to put the money back in the hands of the working class, the positive effects would be much greater.
But the fact is, most of us are compassionate. Most of us display courtesy. And it's not a matter of economic benefit. To most people, it's a social responsibility and duty to display compassion, courtesy and respect. For the social benefit of society, people do so.
If someone's fighting a mob near a mat, I politely ask them if they are going to mine it. It barely slows me down, and I feel better knowing that I didn't take something the other person worked for. I don't care if less mats are being mined per second, I don't care if there's 1 less mat in the market for the next 30 seconds, for the social benefit between me and him, I ask.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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this be what happens when me try to take teh mat from another person.....
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I don't think the actual mats really have anything to do with why people get upset.
For example, when my friend or I is going for a mat, it's funny for the other person to steal it. We each get a laugh out of it, and of course the "thief" then offers to return it and of course the "victim" says nah, keep it.
But when strangers do it, people take it personally, get very upset, and start calling for vengeance. However, I personally think that this kind of moral indignation over trivial infractions is one of those less savoury parts of human nature that the world would be better off without. Turn the other cheek, forgive those who have wronged you even if they don't really deserve it, and just let the little things go.
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Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
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Follow them around and take all the mats before they can ;D0
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Actually on a per-capita basis, seniors are the biggest spenders. And the social security system in the U.S. is based on paying back seniors the money they put into it when they were workers. The fact that it's breaking down and soon general tax dollars will have to be spent to keep the system afloat is a recent development. (Yes I know the whole thing is an accounting trick, with the first social security recipients in the 1930s getting money without ever having paid anything into it.)Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »People don't help old seniors across the street because it improves efficiency in the community. In fact, we are losing productivity every time I help a senior across the street. I could be a day trader, and every minute the market fluctuates, I could be making thousands and thousands of dollars, which I could in turn it into consumption for the economy, which would have a ripple effect on GDP.
Society doesn't improve its productivity by using our tax dollars to support seniors. In fact, it detracts from efficiency because seniors are already retired, and they don't contribute to the overall growth of the economy. They don't work, they don't spend (as much), and in fact if we were to put the money back in the hands of the working class, the positive effects would be much greater.
But regardless, I completely understand your point. However, we've long left the realm of objectivity, and are in the realm of which is subjectively the better. European socialist systems take a more compassionate approach towards social welfare than the U.S. Consequently the U.S. generally has higher per-capita economic productivity than most of those countries, but lacks many social safety nets which Europeans take for granted.
Which is better is a subjective judgment. I don't claim that one answer is right and the other is wrong. I'm just showing that the "grab the mine" mentality has justification beyond mere selfishness. _DarkSeph_ OTOH is claiming that the "grab the mine" mentality is unequivocally wrong.
Furthermore, this thread is proceeding exactly as the previous one did. With _DarkSeph_ once again claiming without a shred of evidence to back him up that 99% of the time he can tell when someone plans to take the mine. Rather than rehash all the same arguments we made 2 weeks ago, why don't we just agree to disagree.0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actually on a per-capita basis, seniors are the biggest spenders. And the social security system in the U.S. is based on paying back seniors the money they put into it when they were workers. The fact that it's breaking down and soon general tax dollars will have to be spent to keep the system afloat is a recent development. (Yes I know the whole thing is an accounting trick, with the first social security recipients in the 1930s getting money without ever having paid anything into it.)
But regardless, I completely understand your point. However, we've long left the realm of objectivity, and are in the realm of which is subjectively the better. European socialist systems take a more compassionate approach towards social welfare than the U.S. Consequently the U.S. generally has higher per-capita economic productivity than most of those countries, but lacks many social safety nets which Europeans take for granted.
Which is better is a subjective judgment. I don't claim that one answer is right and the other is wrong. I'm just showing that the "grab the mine" mentality has justification beyond mere selfishness. _DarkSeph_ OTOH is claiming that the "grab the mine" mentality is unequivocally wrong.
Furthermore, this thread is proceeding exactly as the previous one did. With _DarkSeph_ once again claiming without a shred of evidence to back him up that 99% of the time he can tell when someone plans to take the mine. Rather than rehash all the same arguments we made 2 weeks ago, why don't we just agree to disagree.
You're right in that there is no "right" or "wrong", and it is rather in the eyes of the beholder. To some people, taking mats may be ethically and morally wrong, while it may be perfectly fine to others. Quite obviously, I don't like it, but I can't conform everyone to my beliefs. I just wanted to point out that economic benefit isn't the only deciding factor.
And we can debate forever between capitalism and socialism, but this isnt what this thread is about
To the OP: I share your thoughts, but there's nothing you can do, especially if you're on a PVE server. I'd suggest to just move on, doing anything else is probably a waste of time for something as trivial as this. Just make a silent note to get back at him whenever you can >:D[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Yah, it's funny when ppl just commence to be damn lolers with a speed of 1 or more lols per commentary, just 'cos they get two or three of the mats on my route, when I get other 25 of them. So what.
And even if someone commences to want to follow my same route, it's not like that's my only route. Somehow I know the respawn location of each mat I've ever farmed. It's not like it's dificult to trace new 10 mins routes.Building one...
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Luen - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yah, it's funny when ppl just commence to be damn lolers with a speed of 1 or more lols per commentary, just 'cos they get two or three of the mats on my route, when I get other 25 of them. So what.
And even if someone commences to want to follow my same route, it's not like that's my only route. Somehow I know the respawn location of each mat I've ever farmed. It's not like it's dificult to trace new 10 mins routes.
Me know teh respawn location of every mat you has farmed.....and then some.
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Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
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imagine this. u spot a type of mat u need so u stop doing what u are doing, then drop down, buff yourself then kill the mob that is in your way so that u can get to it. after u have killed the mob, u look forward to getting that mat u need, but u can't any more. someone got it while u were clearing the mob.
wouldn't that be annoying for most people? u stopped doing what u were doing, make an effort so u could get something u need, but someone else reaped your reward.
so what do we say to this? we don't care that this person made an effort? and that the mat simply goes to who ever gets it?
imagine this. u make an effort to help build a company. one day though your boss comes to u n says, "i have to fire u because i want my second jet, n i don't care that u made an effort to help build this company"0 -
Meh, Just pick a spot with one mat and grind there, if you get the mat, sweet, if not, you have xp from the mob, either way you get xp and maybe a mat out if it. It all adds up eventually0
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Danikovich - Heavens Tear wrote: »What do you do when you are clearing the mobs from the mine/herb and someone takes them? I note down their names and make sure they and nobody related to them will ever get my help.... and if I have the opportunity lure something on them to kill them b:chuckle
Danikovich?! Man it's been a while!
Er, to answer the question, I just go to a corner and cry for a while.0
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