Was I wrong?

Boozin - Sanctuary

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

if the cleric and the squad dies EVERYONE should go to town and take the damn hit "UNLESS" the squad is paying the cleric for dolls lost on squad wipes. If the cleric has to take a damn XP hit the squad should too

You make a good point.... If the entire party is wiped out why shouldn't everyone take the exp hit instead of only the cleric, go back to town, regroup, then continue... sounds rather fair...

..but I also think (and it would seem I am not alone) if 98% of your party is wiped you should do SOMETHING to hurry up an help not just lay there on the ground for 10min waiting and complaining and trying to dish out orders...

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

if the cleric and the squad dies EVERYONE should go to town and take the damn hit "UNLESS" the squad is paying the cleric for dolls lost on squad wipes. If the cleric has to take a damn XP hit the squad should too

since i play it happened just once that team payed for my exp loss with using rez scroll
it was random squad and i got 2 extra mirages after that TT run :0


i know its not much, but i still was pretty shocked (in happy way :P)

other ppl dont care 'bout that ._.
even if my 1 rez scroll (50k) = their whole cost per run

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

to this quote: if the cleric and the squad dies EVERYONE should go to town and take the damn hit "UNLESS" the squad is paying the cleric for dolls lost on squad wipes. If the cleric has to take a damn XP hit the squad should too

That makes no sense, since only the cleric has a skill for rez.....
Why would you have the all team take a hit just because you got killed?

Whats next, you are going to tell barbs to tank with their own charm, since you do not want to use the heal skill since it uses mana? Or maybe you do not want to buff people for whatever reason? This is not any different, clerics have the skill, they go to town and come back, exception being in those places that respawn, than everyone should go back so you all make it back alive. But if all the mobs in-btween are dead, the cleric should go to town and come back for the res, if the cleric chooses to not use a rez scroll himself. (that is the only part I agree, if you want the cleric to use a rez scroll to save time, than you pay him for it).

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

arent these kind of threads usually made by clerics?

'omg my party failed.. is this normal?"

Ceshiari - Sanctuary

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That makes no sense, since only the cleric has a skill for rez.....
Why would you have the all team take a hit just because you got killed?

Whats next, you are going to tell barbs to tank with their own charm, since you do not want to use the heal skill since it uses mana? Or maybe you do not want to buff people for whatever reason? This is not any different, clerics have the skill, they go to town and come back, exception being in those places that respawn, than everyone should go back so you all make it back alive. But if all the mobs in-btween are dead, the cleric should go to town and come back for the res, if the cleric chooses to not use a rez scroll himself. (that is the only part I agree, if you want the cleric to use a rez scroll to save time, than you pay him for it).

Played a cleric up to mid 90's. You play a cleric knowing what comes with it, what responsibilities and what costs. You dont like, it, reroll.

Common knowledge dictates that if there is a party wipe, cleric gets up and res's the squad. Its why they have a res skill. Its up to the discretion of that cleric to carry res scrolls (I always did, because I was prepared and hated running back).

idk, not gonna get into the nitty gritty details. I did want to say this tho, out of 4 pages, only one person semi-disagreed xD this is the only thread I know of that has a unanimous vote b:chuckle

Aadi - Lost City

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

to this quote: if the cleric and the squad dies EVERYONE should go to town and take the damn hit "UNLESS" the squad is paying the cleric for dolls lost on squad wipes. If the cleric has to take a damn XP hit the squad should too

This...doesn't make sense.

If the choices are:

A. One person can take the exp hit and lessen the hit for everyone else
B. The whole squad takes the hit and goes to town

I would choose A. Why should everyone else lose exp just because I have to? That's incredibly petty of a cleric to do.

Azol - Dreamweaver

u did the rite thing bc it wasn't ur fault but rather the other member in the squad

Devil_Vergil - Lost City

OP: u did absolutly NOTHING wrong, i woulda done the same thing and congrats on soloing him...and trust me ive been in sum bad FAIL squads before. If anything u shouyld be mad for cleric takin so long, not them....and the fact the barb took so long to say anything is beyond me....if they all woulda said sumthing EARLIER then i would understand....i would still kill it lol, but ids understand....and sorry i take the part about the barb back.....how did a 6x barb EVEN DIE at farren IS BEYOND ME

whole squad = FAIL!!

you = damn nice work

Thehate - Heavens Tear

Nobody here apparently noted that barb was under OP's feet. this means he wasnt even able to res without charm without having risk to die :P Can understand what he was angry about on that, but otherwise sounds kinda fail.

Gammaburst - Harshlands

In my opinion, hearing your side of the story, you were not wrong. There are two sides to every story though. But unless someone else comes on to give a contrary view, I say you did good.

Im guessing they probably figure you were going to die, so werent concerned, figuring a complete party wipe, until they saw bosses HP getting low, then wanted you to wait.

Leolf - Heavens Tear

Sounds like a crappy squad. You did the right thing, my friend.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

I'd of done exactly the same thing, you did nothing wrong cleric was at fault and the barbs an ****.

Foltern - Sanctuary

Hello. I have had this happen to me as an archer actually, being the only survivor.

I agree with what other players are saying. No, you were not wrong to kill the boss. It was nice of you to offer doing it a second time. The healer should have immediately teleported out if they did not have a scroll. Since the healer took no action, the rest of the squad should have proceeded without the healer knowing what was probably going on.

If you play healer you don't go afk especially without telling anyone. (Or any class for that matter) You watch the screen, you stay alive and you keep other players alive that is your job. I agree it should not take take 5-10 minutes to think about teleporting and then doing it.

As a retired healer, it's annoying to see players lying there for long periods crying for a medic while i'm dropping mobs by the handfull. On this char I have gotten 1 res in 69 levels while grinding in the field. In BH's on the rare occasion I die of course I get a res.

I have been in a similar squad in BH39 when I was in the appropriate level range. The exact thing happened. Except I was the only survivor. The squad respawned and came back except one veno who insisted on waiting for the healer who was ..gone? I don't know. That player missed the kill and so did the healer.

If I die, I respawn unless i'm in a BH and the healer is alert doing their job and I don't have too. The time people spend taking dirt naps and whispering archers for a res they can earn back that exp. It's not difficult to do or life changing at 5x like is at 9x. It's been said already if those players really valued exp, they would just res and run, take the loss and gain it back from the BH and continue questing and grinding. The time spent waiting around and doing a second BH is enough to grind it back.

Every party member should not have faith in the healer to do what they should be doing. That means you plan ahead the best you can by wearing a charm, bringing jiaozi, armor powder, other apothecary items or a res scroll yourself if you want to get the job done in the occasion your healer is garbage and you need to rise above that.

Regards

Foltern Archer
SemperHealer Cleric

Boozin - Sanctuary

I gotta say.... I didnt expect this much support through the post... it restores my faith in humanity..

I notice alot of sanctuary ppl have replied an thats way cool... If any of ya ever need whatever I can provide to a squad, I would be more than happy to help... Boozin is me an thats who I play under, so pm anytime I am online..(havnt found the need for an alt yet)

...As to the post that said I only provided one side of the story... I agree... but I totally challenge that FAIL squad (they know who they are) to post as well an refute my recollection of how it all went down. b:thanks

Pegasi - Lost City

If I were you I'd have done the same thing and killed the boss, soloing a boss is a feat. >_>
AFK healers. Wow. I didn't know people could be THAT lazy.

Escorian - Dreamweaver

>.> what is with all the clerics complaining about having to go to town and rez people or saying they should share the cost of a rez scroll you know a bm uses teleport incense in rb? how much you think that costs at the current gold prices? not to mention we have to use more then 1 weapon and that means more of a repair bill

and what about archers i dont see you cleric offering archers arrows or barbs coin for repair bills or wizards potions for their mp.

i mean seriously each class has their own costs dont like your cost quit QQ and reroll.

Boozin - Sanctuary

I honestly dont know if the healer was afk an using macros... damn, i hope that was the case, that is at least somehow worth forgiving.... (but wtf... who goes afk during a bh without at least saying somthin???) ...an ya... after talking with my fac, nevermind why/how ppl go afk, but wtf is a 6x barb with a 5x cleric backup doing being killed against Farren? (no insult to most barbs, i read alot of QQ against em sadly b:shocked)

..yes, we all die sometimes...stuff happens.. BUT... If me, as a broke a$$ lvl 54 BM manages to survive for 10min against Farren while the rest of the sqaud is dead, WTF!!!!

anyway, I REALLY appriciate all the positive posts. A GM might as well close this thread... I now feel I didnt do anything wrong, it helps me learn as to how I can contribute to my higher lvl FB's an BH's an such, and isnt that really what its all about?

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>.> what is with all the clerics complaining about having to go to town and rez people or saying they should share the cost of a rez scroll you know a bm uses teleport incense in rb? how much you think that costs at the current gold prices? not to mention we have to use more then 1 weapon and that means more of a repair bill

and what about archers i dont see you cleric offering archers arrows or barbs coin for repair bills or wizards potions for their mp.

i mean seriously each class has their own costs dont like your cost quit QQ and reroll.

I might not word it the same way, but I agree b:victory

Once I realized I was going to need to carry ress scrolls with me to do my job the best way possible, I had the choice to pick a different class. I stuck with cleric knowing the costs - just like barbs stick with tanking once they realize their insane repair costs and whatnot.

Not to say I didn't used to whine about the cost - but I never 'expected' others to provide me with the scrolls. People I party with regularly occasionally give me one after a rough run, but I don't expect it. Hell, most of the times I die it's my own fault anyway b:thanks

Also to the OP, I see nothing wrong with what you did.

AlbireoTwo - Lost City

Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »

I honestly dont know if the healer was afk an using macros... damn, i hope that was the case, that is at least somehow worth forgiving.... (but wtf... who goes afk during a bh without at least saying somthin???) ...an ya... after talking with my fac, nevermind why/how ppl go afk, but wtf is a 6x barb with a 5x cleric backup doing being killed against Farren? (no insult to most barbs, i read alot of QQ against em sadly b:shocked)

..yes, we all die sometimes...stuff happens.. BUT... If me, as a broke a$$ lvl 54 BM manages to survive for 10min against Farren while the rest of the sqaud is dead, WTF!!!!

anyway, I REALLY appriciate all the positive posts. A GM might as well close this thread... I now feel I didnt do anything wrong, it helps me learn as to how I can contribute to my higher lvl FB's an BH's an such, and isnt that really what its all about?

Uh, we aren't too good against a boss when the cleric is afk. We have invoke the spirit, so he should have survived at least 20 seconds. But if the healers afk we can't exactly survive by ourselves. Though that barb should have had some hp pots+ToP. But still would have been hard to survive.

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

Gammaburst - Harshlands wrote: »

In my opinion, hearing your side of the story, you were not wrong. There are two sides to every story though. But unless someone else comes on to give a contrary view, I say you did good.

Im guessing they probably figure you were going to die, so werent concerned, figuring a complete party wipe, until they saw bosses HP getting low, then wanted you to wait.

That right there is what I think is ****ed up. At levels 5x Farren's AoE and normal attacks hurt. 10 minutes of him soloing Farren is a lot of charm **** and a lot of HP pots/food wasted. If the cleric had gone to town as soon as he died then he could have gotten back, had OP move away from the pile of bodies, and ressed everyone. Sure, OP would have had to tank with his charm for a bit but it would have saved him quite a bit if there were a few people to help him kill faster (not to mention a cleric to heal him).

In short: Fail squad.

Now, moving on to this next post.

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello. I have had this happen to me as an archer actually, being the only survivor.
Woot! Go archers!
I agree with what other players are saying. No, you were not wrong to kill the boss. It was nice of you to offer doing it a second time. The healer should have immediately teleported out if they did not have a scroll. Since the healer took no action, the rest of the squad should have proceeded without the healer knowing what was probably going on.
Agree completely.
If you play healer you don't go afk especially without telling anyone. (Or any class for that matter) You watch the screen, you stay alive and you keep other players alive that is your job. I agree it should not take take 5-10 minutes to think about teleporting and then doing it.
I wish there were more people like you. I really do.
As a retired healer, it's annoying to see players lying there for long periods crying for a medic while i'm dropping mobs by the handfull. On this char I have gotten 1 res in 69 levels while grinding in the field. In BH's on the rare occasion I die of course I get a res.
Check out the mines some time. It's ****ing hilarious with all the level 2x players begging for a res.
I have been in a similar squad in BH39 when I was in the appropriate level range. The exact thing happened. Except I was the only survivor. The squad respawned and came back except one veno who insisted on waiting for the healer who was ..gone? I don't know. That player missed the kill and so did the healer.
I really hate venos sometimes. I've been in more party wipes caused by venos (who were not me) than by any other class. Of course they're also always the ones who beg for a res a whine that the cleric is taking too long (I mean the ones who cause wipes in general, not only venos).
If I die, I respawn unless i'm in a BH and the healer is alert doing their job and I don't have too. The time people spend taking dirt naps and whispering archers for a res they can earn back that exp. It's not difficult to do or life changing at 5x like is at 9x. It's been said already if those players really valued exp, they would just res and run, take the loss and gain it back from the BH and continue questing and grinding. The time spent waiting around and doing a second BH is enough to grind it back.
Again, go to the mines. You'll either laugh your **** off or have an aneurysm from the stupidity of some people. I know you don't agree with my overuse of the word 'stupid' but you just have to agree that this is pretty stupid. Mines quests are from levels 20-24 (I think) and you lose 5% exp at that level. 5% exp at those levels is about 7 or 8 mobs which takes about 5 minutes to kill which is probably a fifth of the time some people sit around waiting for a res. Not to mention the fact that level 1 res has a 0% exp loss reduction and level 2 has a 10% reduction (I admit that this isn't exactly common knowledge but it's still a fact). It's like they expect some level 90+ cleric to magically show up with maxed res in the next five seconds. Some people lack common sense.
Every party member should not have faith in the healer to do what they should be doing. That means you plan ahead the best you can by wearing a charm, bringing jiaozi, armor powder, other apothecary items or a res scroll yourself if you want to get the job done in the occasion your healer is garbage and you need to rise above that.
Charms are expensive, I have no need for food, and I provide apothecary items to squad mates so they'll be more likely to stay alive to help me. I can solo some of my BHs but it goes much faster if I have a (half way decent) squad.
Regards

Foltern Archer
SemperHealer Cleric

By the way, who else just loves those people who need a high level to help with everything?

Boozin - Sanctuary

Thanks for the reply Ikurei...

Not sure if it was sarcasm as to "anyone who loves a high lvl needs help with everythig"... I hope not... I try to be the best to not be one... but I m far from a "high lvl"...

Being a lvl 5x BM I hope I bring enough to a squad to make it worth while.. When working with any lvl above me, they do steal agro, but I do my best to protect the ppl that need it... (clerics etc) but the idea of "needing" a high lvl squad to do it "for me" .... b:shocked

I WANT to contribute to any squad I am in... waiting on the sidelines just makes me mad... I want to do as much as I can for any squad.... b:surrend

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thanks for the reply Ikurei...

Not sure if it was sarcasm as to "anyone who loves a high lvl needs help with everythig"... I hope not... I try to be the best to not be one... but I m far from a "high lvl"...

Being a lvl 5x BM I hope I bring enough to a squad to make it worth while.. When working with any lvl above me, they do steal agro, but I do my best to protect the ppl that need it... (clerics etc) but the idea of "needing" a high lvl squad to do it "for me" .... b:shocked

I WANT to contribute to any squad I am in... waiting on the sidelines just maes me mad... I want to do as much as I can for any squad.... b:surrender

I wish there were more people like you as well. Sorry about the high level comment though, I just have to say it in any thread that has the letters 'B' and 'H' side by side.b:surrender

Yeah, I generally don't like having higher levels do my BHs for me because I always feel useless. I'm just always annoyed by anyone who asks a higher level player to help (I've seen this happen by the head hunter). A decent squad of players can do their own BH with few problems (except maybe Zimo, she's a *****).

Basch - Lost City

TBH dude, you did nothing wrong. I was in a similar situation except on a much higher level boss. I basically soloed a bh69 boss because the AoE killed the ep and then all the others as they had no charm. At the time I was only like 87 and I'm a barb. Magic AoE doesn't exactly do well with me. Only difference was the cleric actually ran back and rezzed everyone after I got the boss to like 5% hp. Charm tanking that boss was not fun, but soloing the boss in itself was kind of rewarding. Your not alone in these kind of situations. Keep pressing forward and level you **** off.

Boozin - Sanctuary

Ikurei - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah, I generally don't like having higher levels do my BHs for me because I always feel useless.

I do agree... I never want a higher lvl to "DO" my bh for me... I have a few friends who are 8x Barb/BM/Cleric etc I do ask for help, but I like to think that even when they arnt busy and do offer help I dont simply rely on them to clear all the mobs an boss's for me... I WANT to help... I WANT to earn my keep..

Burning chams wasnt my gripe, thats what they are for ya?....

But again, I feel better reading all the replys everyone has taken the time time post.... It must have been a fail squad, I hope I never work with them again... b:angry ...an more power to the ppl that agree...

Any time, anywhere in Sanc, I would be more than proud to help any of the ppl that agreed if I can.. b:dirty

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »

Uh, we aren't too good against a boss when the cleric is afk. We have invoke the spirit, so he should have survived at least 20 seconds. But if the healers afk we can't exactly survive by ourselves. Though that barb should have had some hp pots+ToP. But still would have been hard to survive.

If you mean standing there going toe-to-toe with the boss with no Cleric and surviving, then yeah, it can be tough to do with just pots/apoth/etc...

But if something goes wrong with the Cleric, then there's always the option of leading the boss off on a wild-tiger chase while everybody else re-groups.

AlbireoTwo - Lost City

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you mean standing there going toe-to-toe with the boss with no Cleric and surviving, then yeah, it can be tough to do with just pots/apoth/etc...

But if something goes wrong with the Cleric, then there's always the option of leading the boss off on a wild-tiger chase while everybody else re-groups.

When the cleric isn't healing, but everyone else is still hitting, it can be hard to even run. You risk a party wipe by running in tiger, since some people decide to keep hitting and steal aggro. If the team has a second barb you can lead it away, but with only one barb you have to keep stopping and flesh reaming. If you lose aggro for even a second the boss might just turn and hit another member of your team. If they stop on the other hand, then you can run and survive. But some people just don't pay attention.

Boozin - Sanctuary

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you mean standing there going toe-to-toe with the boss with no Cleric and surviving, then yeah, it can be tough to do with just pots/apoth/etc...

But if something goes wrong with the Cleric, then there's always the option of leading the boss off on a wild-tiger chase while everybody else re-groups.

I admit, maybe I should have communicated better that I wanted to attempt to go toe to toe... but that wasnt my idea from the get-go... I just wanted to try my hand at tanking him an see what I could do till they all either rez'd on the spot or ran back to town an made it back....

If someone can live while the squad runs back to town an comes back, where is the harm in doing as much damage as possible in the mean time...???

Burning charm while they lay on the ground dead for 10 min, saying f'all till boss is -10% health then expecting u to play tag while they wait for a rez.......thats a whole diff story an what started my rant in the 1st place....

Boozin - Sanctuary

AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »

When the cleric isn't healing, but everyone else is still hitting, it can be hard to even run. You risk a party wipe by running in tiger, since some people decide to keep hitting and steal aggro. If the team has a second barb you can lead it away, but with only one barb you have to keep stopping and flesh reaming. If you lose aggro for even a second the boss might just turn and hit another member of your team. If they stop on the other hand, then you can run and survive. But some people just don't pay attention.

What if u are a BM, not a barb an the fail barb (10 lvl's above u) just sits in the dirt while dead an complains?

Boozin - Sanctuary

Sorry, agian, I dont wanna QQ... I just find the fail aspect an intersting question... it had never happend to me before so I was really pissed off an wasnt sure if I was in the "right"

.... seems it musta been a fail squad so if anyone on Sanc who posted in the affirmative wants a 5x BM for anything, just say the word... b:thanks

AlbireoTwo - Lost City

Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »

What if u are a BM, not a barb an the fail barb (10 lvl's above u) just sits in the dirt while dead an complains?

Barb didn't have a charm.......
But you were right in continuing. Just don't say the barb should've survived if the cleric was afk.