Making money is hard in this game? Wrong

Miss_Tika - Lost City

BeingHope - Harshlands wrote: »

b:chuckle +1 to your comment xD

))) If I sold my fashion, then I'd have money lol. My armor is for sure under 100k I bet xD

My weapon though... >.>...

Lol!. BeingHope ur so adorable xD

Ya if i sold my fashion i'd probably +8 something T.T

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I lol'd... coinage advice from someone who hasn't been in a fb51 b:laugh

Simple truths:
1.) the higher your toon's level, the more coins-per-hour you are able to accrue
-to OP: based on the numbers in your post, I make more than your gross value in 3-4 hours... I don't spend countless hours in game because I spent my time efficiently.
2.) Buy low & resell only works when you have a huge amount of coinage to begin with (unless you're taking big gambles).
-If you're into playing the market (at the moment my 2nd favorite part of this game), the best way to do is to invest $20-30 in the game during a big sale and start from there (otherwise the time spent vending & flipping is just ridiculous).

10k for 2mil tome is gambling? sure thing.

wtvdie

Look, his gear is only worth 10mil. lets say 20mil to be nice for him. how much does a tt 90 spear cost? lets say the one with purify?

dust of star x8= 8mil
giant beast's armor x8= 20mil
stone of sacred temple x16= 0.160mil
ultimate substance x12= 1.02mil
soul edge (lets say free even though it obviously isnt)

thats just 1 weapon. your way too low lvl to know how much stuff is worth.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

wtvdie wrote: »

Look, his gear is only worth 10mil. lets say 20mil to be nice for him. how much does a tt 90 spear cost? lets say the one with purify?

dust of star x8= 8mil
giant beast's armor x8= 20mil
stone of sacred temple x16= 0.160mil
ultimate substance x12= 1.02mil
soul edge (lets say free even though it obviously isnt)

thats just 1 weapon. your way too low lvl to know how much stuff is worth.

There's no way for me to ever become lvl 90, not even close. I'm pretty sure I won't ever be even lvl 70. 6x is possible tho not sure sure about that either. I have gotten like one level in the last three weeks for my BM because I started playing veno and now I don't feel like leveling my veno either. Not going to roll a tideborn either, just my cleric in PvP server. Who also won't ever be over 5x, or if so something really wierd has to happen.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's no way for me to ever become lvl 90, not even close. I'm pretty sure I won't ever be even lvl 70. 6x is possible tho not sure sure about that either. I have gotten like one level in the last three weeks for my BM because I started playing veno and now I don't feel like leveling my veno either. Not going to roll a tideborn either, just my cleric in PvP server. Who also won't ever be over 5x, or if so something really wierd has to happen.

This counts as giving up. Game, set, match.[/snipe]

wtvdie

lol, this page has turned from the guy saying how easy this game is to just flat out giving up lol.this thread +1

BeingHope - Harshlands

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Lol!. BeingHope ur so adorable xD

Ya if i sold my fashion i'd probably +8 something T.T

b:laugh thanks!


>.< omg so much fash, wow! only have 20+ now here Lol atm, my favorite outfit has to be my blue ballet dress with white shoes b:cute whats your favorite outfit? :O

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This counts as giving up. Game, set, match.[/snipe]

I didn't say I was giving up. So what if I'm not the highest level. I could start oracling my **** up and being lvl 70+ fast. What would that help? I've known it since lvl 30 that I'm progressing slowly compared to others. I thought games were for entertainment, but guess not then.

Nifsara - Lost City

Kupuntu you are soo soo true but will lazy people who are just greedy for money and refuse to work for it listen b:chuckle

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, let me introduce myself. I'm Kupuntu, lvl 42 BM. Some of you might know me from the forums or in-game. Many ppl say that making money is hard. I think not. I have two characters: lvl 42 BM and a lvl 41 veno in the Sanctuary server as my sig says. The things I have NOT done for my money:

- grinded for money, 95% mobs killed have been for quests.
- farmed mats for money more than what I've seen when questing
- used cashshop or bought zen
- scammed ppl
- took donations (expect for one flawless cit, it was dropped by some quitter in Plume)

So, now I have plenty of money. I can't remeber for sure (can't login now) so here are the things I remember:

coins: 300k in my BM and 700k in my veno
weapons: 100k for ***Bloodstained Battle Scythe and 1mil (?) for sharded Mirage Sword
armor and other equipment: nothing special, just some legendary rings for the total of 100k
fashion: chain boots and pants, around 450k and 850k
aerogear: normal ones and Blood Mist around 1,5mil
tomes: Retribution's flame is lvl 1 mag tome, around 2mil
chi stones: worth 1.5 mil or something (1k perfect stones and other stones around 300k-500k)
herbs and mats: around 500k-800k
other: oracle IX's, 8 of them, 60k-80k each, 480k-640k total

Total worth: At best, 10mil but I'd say it's closer to 6mil-8mil if I sold all.

I have played this game for countless hours, just like most of you. Instead of levels, I have gotten plenty of money. I used to resell teles, but then that business dried out, so to say. I know this amount of money is nothing compared to higher levels, but most of the ppl around my level don't have this much money. Say what you say, but this is an easy game to get money on. Now, comments? (This is not a bragging post by any means.)

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I didn't say I was giving up. So what if I'm not the highest level. I could start oracling my **** up and being lvl 70+ fast. What would that help? I've known it since lvl 30 that I'm progressing slowly compared to others. I thought games were for entertainment, but guess not then.

According to the trash talk on the server forums every now and again, PWI is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

b:angry

wtvdie

go ahead. oracle up. point is, u would be spending a ton of money doing it. oh wait. isnt that the point of the thread?

anyways, 10mil aint very much.

Nifsara - Lost City

Then if you want money stop needless spending at outrages cat shops. b:chuckle

BeingHope - Harshlands wrote: »

b:chuckle +1 to your comment xD

))) If I sold my fashion, then I'd have money lol. My armor is for sure under 100k I bet xD

My weapon though... >.>...

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

According to the trash talk on the server forums every now and again, PWI is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

b:angry

LOL I so know that. Every time I see, for example, Wizzeled haters writing QQ post, I know that when Wizzeled reads that text he will be laughing his **** off at home. Or, that's what I would do if I was hated for being a cashshopper.

Quilue - Sanctuary

He's not hated for being a heavy cash shopper. Most people do not hate BigP, or Temp, or Vernom, or Goosey for example.

I'm not going to get into why so many dislike Wizzeled, but just saying, it certainly ain't because he cash shops

wtvdie

hey, dragoonz has spent 50k on this game. i love him. he pays for the server. b:laugh

Nifsara - Lost City

I am glad he is not giving up and no need to lvl fast either. Because most of the ones who lvl quickly have no skills and die pretty quickly. Imagine being a lvl 86 going into a cave with lvl 39 kills and the lvl 86 get dead. see no skill they should be able to level the whole cave. Not trash truth b:chuckle

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

According to the trash talk on the server forums every now and again, PWI is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

b:angry

Nifsara - Lost City

It is when you are greedy. b:chuckle

wtvdie wrote: »

go ahead. oracle up. point is, u would be spending a ton of money doing it. oh wait. isnt that the point of the thread?

anyways, 10mil aint very much.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Nifsara - Lost City wrote: »

I am glad he is not giving up and no need to lvl fast either. Because most of the ones who lvl quickly have no skills and die pretty quickly. Imagine being a lvl 86 going into a cave with lvl 39 kills and the lvl 86 get dead. see no skill they should be able to level the whole cave. Not trash truth b:chuckle

Point does not refute the previously-stated premise of PWI being SRS BSNS.

Also, please work on your grammar.

BeingHope - Harshlands

Nifsara - Lost City wrote: »

Then if you want money stop needless spending at outrages cat shops. b:chuckle

b:surrender I don't buy my fashion from catshops..... I almost always buy from my friends and/or the Boutique b:chuckle

sidneyd

Probably been said before but, making money isn't the problem, everyone can usually afford npc stuff, crazy stone etc..

The problem is (same here as on my-en) anniversary packs have kickstarted a kind of goldrush. The cash shop offers better equiptment than most people are capable of farming (or not capable of farming at all), when they came out people were either put off PW completely (Me), thought it wouldn't affect them (short sighted people) or driven into a gold charging/buying frenzy in which peoples greed and ego sent them on a spending spree.

This as you noticed sent gold to a semi-permanent 4x/5x it's usual price. Many people became reliant on the fair maintainable gold prices of 100-200k, thinking nothing of buying charms/ eso's/GA like candy to help them grind and make their money. The inflation broke this and now people's/PW's greed has basically ruined a lot of the economy.

Gamma's are dying out or dead on most servers as very few are able to buy charms, before even at 170k/gold a run would pay for itself in terms of repairs and charm burn. but now an inexperienced barb can become practically broke after 2-3 runs.

Serial Zen buyers, gold investors, Dominant Faction members, PWI etc.. all benefitted from this, so most don't see the issue. The rich and powerful became richer. Those who were trying to level hard to level 90 etc.... people unable to buy zen or unwilling to buy and those who investted in anni packs only to have bad luck got majorlly screwed over. Due to the massive cost of gold items (esp charms), most are unwilling to do much, such as TT, RB and BH's. Some have given up trying entirely to advance in any way shape or form.

There's also no feasible money sink to fix this as it would no doubt cripple the poor further, the other option (Which has been explored by PW recently) is increasing drop rates, although 2x is pretty low considering the amount gold has risen by they have to be careful because increasing drop rates too much will cause a hyper-inflation effect, with gold prices rising to ridiculous amounts.

A possible solution would be to increase drops and implement an effective cash sink at the same time, but I'm not even sure if this would work.

Can't be arsed writing more.

~WitchBurner~

Asperitas - Lost City

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Buying low and selling high IS scamming. You are scamming players by buying things that others would need but now can't afford because you bought it just to sell it for more.

YOU WON'T EVEN PAY YOUR OWN PRICES, WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE?!

Merchanting is not scamming. To scam is to profit through deception and cheating. Buying an item for 50k and putting it in your shop for 100k isn't deceiving. The price people see are the price people buy. No deception there.

This is how every merchandising business in the world functions. They buy goods and resell at a higher value. In fact, if this wasn't the case, no supplier would ever supply any good. Why would anyone want to go to all the trouble of providing goods and services if they don't have the incentive of profit?

In the end, goods trade at market equilibrium. Prices will influence the behaviours of producers and consumers so that the market will meet at a point in which both producers and consumers are happy to trade at said price and quantity. If people don't buy your items, quite obviously you would have to lower your prices. The fact that you price your items at a higher price, and people still buy means that they are willing and able to do so, and following the optimal purchase rule, they are actually reaping utility from their purchase.

BeingHope - Harshlands

sidneyd wrote: »

Probably been said before but, making money isn't the problem, everyone can usually afford npc stuff, crazy stone etc..

The problem is (same here as on my-en) anniversary packs have kickstarted a kind of goldrush. The cash shop offers better equiptment than most people are capable of farming (or not capable of farming at all), when they came out people were either put off PW completely (Me), thought it wouldn't affect them (short sighted people) or driven into a gold charging/buying frenzy in which peoples greed and ego sent them on a spending spree.

This as you noticed sent gold to a semi-permanent 4x/5x it's usual price. Many people became reliant on the fair maintainable gold prices of 100-200k, thinking nothing of buying charms/ eso's/GA like candy to help them grind and make their money. The inflation broke this and now people's/PW's greed has basically ruined a lot of the economy.

Gamma's are dying out or dead on most servers as very few are able to buy charms, before even at 170k/gold a run would pay for itself in terms of repairs and charm burn. but now an inexperienced barb can become practically broke after 2-3 runs.

Serial Zen buyers, gold investors, Dominant Faction members, PWI etc.. all benefitted from this, so most don't see the issue. The rich and powerful became richer. Those who were trying to level hard to level 90 etc.... people unable to buy zen or unwilling to buy and those who investted in anni packs only to have bad luck got majorlly screwed over. Due to the massive cost of gold items (esp charms), most are unwilling to do much, such as TT, RB and BH's. Some have given up trying entirely to advance in any way shape or form.

There's also no feasible money sink to fix this as it would no doubt cripple the poor further, the other option (Which has been explored by PW recently) is increasing drop rates, although 2x is pretty low considering the amount gold has risen by they have to be careful because increasing drop rates too much will cause a hyper-inflation effect, with gold prices rising to ridiculous amounts.

A possible solution would be to increase drops and implement an effective cash sink at the same time, but I'm not even sure if this would work.

Can't be arsed writing more.

~WitchBurner~

Wow. Thats amazing. Practically no words here. I think you just described the economy now b:bored

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

sidneyd wrote: »

Probably been said before but, making money isn't the problem, everyone can usually afford npc stuff, crazy stone etc..

The problem is (same here as on my-en) anniversary packs have kickstarted a kind of goldrush. The cash shop offers better equiptment than most people are capable of farming (or not capable of farming at all), when they came out people were either put off PW completely (Me), thought it wouldn't affect them (short sighted people) or driven into a gold charging/buying frenzy in which peoples greed and ego sent them on a spending spree.

This as you noticed sent gold to a semi-permanent 4x/5x it's usual price. Many people became reliant on the fair maintainable gold prices of 100-200k, thinking nothing of buying charms/ eso's/GA like candy to help them grind and make their money. The inflation broke this and now people's/PW's greed has basically ruined a lot of the economy.

Gamma's are dying out or dead on most servers as very few are able to buy charms, before even at 170k/gold a run would pay for itself in terms of repairs and charm burn. but now an inexperienced barb can become practically broke after 2-3 runs.

Serial Zen buyers, gold investors, Dominant Faction members, PWI etc.. all benefitted from this, so most don't see the issue. The rich and powerful became richer. Those who were trying to level hard to level 90 etc.... people unable to buy zen or unwilling to buy and those who investted in anni packs only to have bad luck got majorlly screwed over. Due to the massive cost of gold items (esp charms), most are unwilling to do much, such as TT, RB and BH's. Some have given up trying entirely to advance in any way shape or form.

There's also no feasible money sink to fix this as it would no doubt cripple the poor further, the other option (Which has been explored by PW recently) is increasing drop rates, although 2x is pretty low considering the amount gold has risen by they have to be careful because increasing drop rates too much will cause a hyper-inflation effect, with gold prices rising to ridiculous amounts.

A possible solution would be to increase drops and implement an effective cash sink at the same time, but I'm not even sure if this would work.

Can't be arsed writing more.

~WitchBurner~

Alright, I think I'm ready to say it.

[/thread]

wtvdie

wall of text!!!


anyways, the ppl who dont spend money can still survive. i have never spent a penny, and im 9x with decent gear. not +12 rank armor like some ppl in server... but im okay.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Alright, I think I'm ready to say it.

[/thread]

Agreed. I know this thread will still go for a while, but everything that is necessary has already been said.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Agreed. I know this thread will still go for a while, but everything that is necessary has already been said.

Indeed. Best of luck in your in-game travels! I'm glad that not everyone here thinks PWI is SRS BSNS (including me, hence my "trolling").

b:victory

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Indeed. Best of luck in your in-game travels! I'm glad that not everyone here thinks PWI is SRS BSNS (including me, hence my "trolling").

b:victory

Thanks. I'm glad I have such a good faction who helps me along the way. Now just to find as good and active one in LC who would accept at least 20+ players...

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, let me introduce myself. I'm Kupuntu, lvl 42 BM. Some of you might know me from the forums or in-game. Many ppl say that making money is hard. I think not. I have two characters: lvl 42 BM and a lvl 41 veno in the Sanctuary server as my sig says. The things I have NOT done for my money:

- grinded for money, 95% mobs killed have been for quests.
- farmed mats for money more than what I've seen when questing
- used cashshop or bought zen
- scammed ppl
- took donations (expect for one flawless cit, it was dropped by some quitter in Plume)

So, now I have plenty of money. I can't remeber for sure (can't login now) so here are the things I remember:

coins: 300k in my BM and 700k in my veno
weapons: 100k for ***Bloodstained Battle Scythe and 1mil (?) for sharded Mirage Sword
armor and other equipment: nothing special, just some legendary rings for the total of 100k
fashion: chain boots and pants, around 450k and 850k
aerogear: normal ones and Blood Mist around 1,5mil
tomes: Retribution's flame is lvl 1 mag tome, around 2mil
chi stones: worth 1.5 mil or something (1k perfect stones and other stones around 300k-500k)
herbs and mats: around 500k-800k
other: oracle IX's, 8 of them, 60k-80k each, 480k-640k total

Total worth: At best, 10mil but I'd say it's closer to 6mil-8mil if I sold all.

I have played this game for countless hours, just like most of you. Instead of levels, I have gotten plenty of money. I used to resell teles, but then that business dried out, so to say. I know this amount of money is nothing compared to higher levels, but most of the ppl around my level don't have this much money. Say what you say, but this is an easy game to get money on. Now, comments? (This is not a bragging post by any means.)

i had all my gear set till 95 before i even hit 50... including a lunar bow, and demon quickshot lol. money isnt hard to make at all . *isnts a casher either* that bow and skill alone are probably worth like 10x more rofl.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thanks. I'm glad I have such a good faction who helps me along the way. Now just to find as good and active one in LC who would accept at least 20+ players...

If all else fails, make one yourself. Be the trendsetter! b:cute

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

i had all my gear set till 95 before i even hit 50... including a lunar bow, and demon quickshot lol. money isnt hard to make at all . *isnts a casher either* that bow and skill alone are probably worth like 10x more rofl.

Slow Slowpoke is Slow. Thread's already ended.

b:angry

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

delete accidental double post!