Normal drop rate next week please

Alyyy - Sanctuary

Less QQ moar pewpew pl0x


seriously -_- who cares... get higher then farm and dotn QQ

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Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear

I don't see the double drop rates,in 3-1 runs i've been getting double the **** not double the green mats

BratFury - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm glad that you understand. Go back to school.
I'm playing com.games almost 25years. And i know what is killing the pleasure of game. Do you like it, if every1 could have everything in game? I don't think so.b:angry

2 weekends with 2x chance for drops in TT instances HARDLY gives everyone everything in the game. Apparently you don't understand economics as well as you think you do. 6 people in a squad, with 6 good drops instead of 4 still leaves lots of farming to do.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't care about farming. Obviously you didn't get it. Game became boring, if every1 will have everything. No goal no aims no fun.

PROOF that people will find a way to complain about anything. Why not just say, no matter what PWI does I will never be happy with it? That would sum it up better for you.

rexberry wrote: »

It doesn't hurt to be more open minded.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Helpful, constructive criticism/discussion to help others

-or-

slap the QQ card down and tell the thread starter to gtfo?

Be respectful and try to see the situation in a different light. If there's no way you can find yourself agreeing with him/her, then simply post why without being rude about it.

Its so very hard to be constructive of something, when its constant whining about things they try to do in this game that the majority of ppl ask for. For months ppl have been asking for events that do not MAKE us have to buy cash shop items to participate. (ie. all the sales)

Really, the TT mats may go down a little. If she's that worried about her precious mats, hold them all for a month and they will go right back up in price. THATS economics and not hard to figure out!

This event was EPIC WIN WIN WIN! Thanks to those in charge!

Skimi - Dreamweaver

_ShOt_ - Lost City wrote: »

You know what?

It might have been a bad idea to bring this event in as a random event every now and then, it should have been during, say, Christmas or new year or so...

Make it rare, yet regular.

Doesn't kill the economy, yet still people can make some nice money out of it every now and then.

nah, imagine how many people wanna spend their time with families in holidays, that is like half of players wont be able to enjoy this event

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Incorrect, you CAN still sell stuff. What you cant do is sell stuff at a ripoff price, that's why ppl are QQing all around. I couldnt care less.

**** what economy? thank the anniv. packs for that, its already screwed because of them.

Umm... no, you can't sell stuff now. All you do is get Auction Item Duration Reached emails... it's not just me either, many friends are getting the same. And it's not that I overprice things, I'm usually 5% lower than most, but I'm not selling BGA for 500k or giving away whatever.

BTW, nice way to turn this into an annipack QQ session.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Umm... no, you can't sell stuff now. All you do is get Auction Item Duration Reached emails... it's not just me either, many friends are getting the same. And it's not that I overprice things, I'm usually 5% lower than most, but I'm not selling BGA for 500k or giving away whatever.

BTW, nice way to turn this into an annipack QQ session.

IDk about Lost, but GBA was about 3 mil before the event on Dreamweaver. Have you tried to sell GBA at 1.5 mil?

Cervantia - Sanctuary

Ttfarmer - Lost City wrote: »

I am not the only suffering this. A lot of people I know who farm Twilight have been complaining about this. Some have even said that farming is worthless now. Our mats are selling slowly or not selling at all.

I agree with everybody that liked the event, except for Jamal he is blowing the whole thing up again, it was truely nice!

Altough I find it hard not to join the others in rolling your opinion over, try seeing it like this:
People farmed some mats now to get their own equipment that they couldn't have afforded from your earlier mat prices. At the same time they farm a bit you and your fellow TT farming buddies surely have farmed a huge load more.

This implement the following:
1. You intented to make more profit from the event as well.
2. You also unstable your own marked by overdoing it.
But I have the perfect solutions for you:
- Either you sell your many mats now to a cheaper price. You will still make more profit than without the event because if you sell twice as much for 30% off you still gain more than the old amount to the full price.
- Or you wait what PWI has truely planned for double weekends and sell the huge chunk of mats you farmed step by step when the situation has calmed down.

So no matter from where you look at the event it's a gain for everyone, even for you.

Skimi - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Umm... no, you can't sell stuff now. All you do is get Auction Item Duration Reached emails... it's not just me either, many friends are getting the same. And it's not that I overprice things, I'm usually 5% lower than most, but I'm not selling BGA for 500k or giving away whatever.

BTW, nice way to turn this into an annipack QQ session.

I think people bought their needed mats in the 1st event, also those mats what they would need later. But with so many cheap oracles around i think pretty soon lower levels will catch up and will want their TT mats too. I have no idea how many pages of mats are there, people must be lazy to look prices of all of them, i managed to sell some mats soon before time ended so just keep put them in.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

IDk about Lost, but GBA was about 3 mil before the event on Dreamweaver. Have you tried to sell GBA at 1.5 mil?

GBA was selling for about 1.5-1.6m before the event. Now it sells at 650k-700k. Ribbon for example, was selling at 500-600k, now it's down to 125k-ish. Antennas and arms are still selling for decent money, but getting a party for forshura isn't always the easiest thing, so yeah, that price hasn't been affected as much.

The real thing is, PWI has been trying to minimalize the way that people can make coin in-game, aside from the random secret letter during 2x drops or what not. The only way that hasn't been affected is merchanting and mine farming. I'm certainly not gonna run laps for 4 hours to make coin in-game and I'm not gonna run a second client to buy/sell all day either, so I lose. *shrug*

I certainly don't mind 2x like every other month or so, but having it two weekends in a row is just too much, IMO.

Kedth - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Umm... no, you can't sell stuff now. All you do is get Auction Item Duration Reached emails... it's not just me either, many friends are getting the same. And it's not that I overprice things, I'm usually 5% lower than most, but I'm not selling BGA for 500k or giving away whatever.

BTW, nice way to turn this into an annipack QQ session.

Uhmm... no. If u dont sell as high as u want you can drop ur selling prices... lets see if u get those Duration Reached emails then. GBAs sell perfectly fine at a reasonable price of 1mil or so. At least in my server. You dont want to drop the prices? fine. Wait till they go up again. But u CAN sell mats now. That's a a fact.

And no one is QQing about annipacks... geez, seriously

Skimi - Dreamweaver

hmm i started to think
those people who complained about double drop event kills the fun of the game then think again:

>GMs make much more double drop events(i know game where its every weekend)>
>people fill up AH with cheap mats>
>everyone buy out all cheap mats>
>no1 wanna farm TT for money because TT mats cost nothing>
>AH getting empty>
>rich venos getting poor(all other classes being happy!)>
>RL money spenders have to actually spend their time and start learn their class and start do TT for their mats, because no1 farms and sell them anymore(non money spenders happy!)

This might be fun people will start work for TT gears not just buy them, yeah it will be easier, but i think it was to hard before especially for DD classes who always had to sub or had the last choice in chosing mats. So basicaly they had to pay or get worthless mats and had to do much more runs than: barbs(1st choice)/clerics(2nd choice)/rich people who can always afford to sub(1st choice). It kinda isn't fair that only venos can solo farm TT and make huge money, but making it unprofitable to farm it might fix the problem.

Rumble - Harshlands

I was unfortunately traveling during both weekends so I missed out farming TT mats (more important to me then the double exp at this stage), but I think overall the event was well received and a good idea.

To the OP > So you're the A-Hole who is responsible for making TT mats ridiculous prices? Awwww I feel so bad for you now that you are still richer then only 95% of the community, down from what 97% or 98%. People like you are an equal part of this whole inflated gold prices problem. See how this works is on one side we have GMs flooding the CS with sales and new items creating a demand for gold. We've talked about this side of the equation enough. No one on their side cares so I won't elaborate more here on that.

On the other side though we have people who say the problem is on the user side and there is definitely some blame there too, but it might not be what you think (i.e. just gold sellers fault). Let's dissect why though. Let's say you're a gold seller. You've been going along and selling gold for less then 200k and you're happy. You can buy all the in game items you want with the coin you get from selling gold. Other non cash shop people are buying charms for 400-500k. Everyone's happy. Now a bunch of sales come out. Bang. Bang. Bang. There's a huge demand so the gold sellers say what the hell. I might as well up the price a tad. People will pay more right because of all the cool new stuff? So they inch it up some. There's some moaning but it's not too bad yet. Then the TT Farming Veno comes in and says well I might as well do the same, but I'll do so in ridiculous proportion. Let me start selling Giant Ape Teeth for 450k now. Oh wait they'll pay that much. I can't believe it. How about 600k? OMFG these idiots are buying. 800k it is then. Look at me I'm rich. I'm rich. (By the way I'm using Giant Ape Teeth as one example, but all have gone up)

So now what's the effect? Gold sellers, who before could buy what they wanted when they sold for 200k, back when everyone was happy, now have to raise their gold prices to get enough in game coins to buy the TT mats and other stuff they want in game. And why shouldn't they get what they want. They're paying RL money. It makes sense.

What does all this mean? It means that the problem is cyclical and feeding on itself. It means that the greedy TT farmers who sell high priced mats (And 5% below current price is still a greedy rip off) are just as guilty of driving up the economy as the gold sellers who are just as guilty as the GMs and Devs who put out the sales. So please. All 3 of you go help yourself to a big ole slice of blame pie. Don't forget to top it with some responsibility ice cream.

Now what was this thread about?

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

The real thing is, PWI has been trying to minimalize the way that people can make coin in-game, aside from the random secret letter during 2x drops or what not. The only way that hasn't been affected is merchanting and mine farming. I'm certainly not gonna run laps for 4 hours to make coin in-game and I'm not gonna run a second client to buy/sell all day either, so I lose. *shrug*

What's stopping you from not selling during the surplus?

I routinely make profits in the game by buying stock when there's a surplus, then selling it 2 days after the surplus is gone.

In fact, I'd be buying up TT mats at the moment, except "Those Things That Shall Remain out of This Thread" are more profitable, and thus a better investment.

This event is a boon to TT farmers, unless they are impatient enough to demand all their profits right away, and thus liquidate all their efforts.

fiznik

Karst - Dreamweaver wrote: »

^^ enough said

Kyit - Harshlands

This double drops thing is a BLESSING.
But even so I believe once a month is enough thank you very much. If it was on a consistent basis but not every week it would be nicer.
It would give time for the double farmed supply to run out, and it would allow time for people to replenish their gold and coin reserves to buy
Besides if u want to make a profit for TT runs then sell subs.
110k each....b:surrender
Someone in my faction made a REALLY nice profit from buying all the cat shop ones in arch at 85k then reselling for 100k when they ran out

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

oh the veno cant make $$$$$$$ enough. hahahahah to you!

im rly happy, finnally got my springs to 99 gold wep, and that mat is pain on normal drops and so many want it >.<.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uhmm... no. If u dont sell as high as u want you can drop ur selling prices... lets see if u get those Duration Reached emails then. GBAs sell perfectly fine at a reasonable price of 1mil or so. At least in my server. You dont want to drop the prices? fine. Wait till they go up again. But u CAN sell mats now. That's a a fact.

And no one is QQing about annipacks... geez, seriously

Nah, I underprice my mats usually by 5% just so they sell quick. I would need to sell GBA at 600k to sell quickly now.

And as for the annipacks, you mentioned them twice in your last post... both times QQing. Want me to quote you?

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

This event is a boon to TT farmers, unless they are impatient enough to demand all their profits right away, and thus liquidate all their efforts.

Nothing is stopping me from dumping my mats at nub prices.... I saw someone selling Giant Beast SHELL for 2m. Probably didn't have a clue what it even was. lol

And I'm not complaining... I've stockpiled a bunch of mats for sale after the event. I'm just saying that twice in a row isn't really the brightest maneuver for a number of reasons I've already stated. It's great that a lot of people HAVE started farming their own gear, but the devs are making this game harder to play for free. Many people are just using cash to buy mats now, and that's what the devs want. Make gold largely unpurchasable in game so you'll resort to spending more money, and as much positive as you can get from this event it also does have negative effects to the economy as well.

Kedth - Sanctuary

This is QQing: "Damn Anniv Packs!!! WTF!!?? Why are they still here!!?? T.T GMs plz plz i dont wannaaaa!" (basically complaining without a reason or explanation).

I mentioned them because they affect PWs economy, problem that is being discussed here too. So please, stop accusing ppl of QQing when they aren't.

Tyvm.

Take care out there b:bye

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »

It means that the greedy TT farmers who sell high priced mats (And 5% below current price is still a greedy rip off) are just as guilty of driving up the economy as the gold sellers who are just as guilty as the GMs and Devs who put out the sales.

No, I gotta disagree with this reasoning.

I've always just bought my TT equipment, and pound-for-pound they've been worth every penny I've paid. Thus, I have to admit TT prices are entirely reasonable, and the farmers deserve to get the prices they've been asking.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

And I'm not complaining... I've stockpiled a bunch of mats for sale after the event. I'm just saying that twice in a row isn't really the brightest maneuver for a number of reasons I've already stated. It's great that a lot of people HAVE started farming their own gear, but the devs are making this game harder to play for free. Many people are just using cash to buy mats now, and that's what the devs want. Make gold largely unpurchasable in game so you'll resort to spending more money, and as much positive as you can get from this event it also does have negative effects to the economy as well.

Well, those of us who merchant have seen the same thing happen too. PWI will announce some big sale, we'll stockpile, then the sale gets extended or another one starts up right away and prices never have a chance to recover.

Personally I find it hard to be upset, though, since investing always comes with risk. That and it actually helps me in the long run by killing off competitors who put all their eggs in one basket.

Davitiel - Heavens Tear

Karst - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+1b:chuckle

Rumble - Harshlands

To Warren: I guess my point was more that the whole issue regarding gold prices is cyclical and self fulfilling. TT farmers raise TT mat prices, so gold sellers raise gold prices to cover costs of buying TT mats. Because gold prices rise TT farmers feel that to buy gold for items like charms, etc they need to raise their TT mat prices. They feed on each other and perpetuate the issue. Add in a demand for gold in sale and new items and we have the perfect equation for inflation in gold prices.

You cannot argue that tt mat prices have increased. What can be argued is if they are worth the current price, but this is a silly argument. The market will only bear what people are willing to pay. And something is only worth what people are willing to buy it for no matter what price tag it may have. So, so long as people are willing to pay the price and see value in it, then the prices will remain as they are. The fact that you see value in it and buy at that price is proof of that. It's not a bad thing. Everything is worth a different price to each person. What they are willing to pay. You find more value perhaps then others in the mats so it works for you. This may not be the case for all. TT gear was originally a means to get good gear at higher levels. It still is. It's just more expensive now then it was before.

Just an observation is is all I guess. It just makes me laugh when I see TT farmers with specialized CS items (like Hercs) QQ about them not being able to get crazy rich. I mean I can't afford to buy 10 gold a week from in game coin. I never have been able to. As a cleric I can just keep my head above water level with charm prices. The funny thing is that now that prices have raised up so much, no one can afford to get a herc so those that got one before when prices were much lower are now out pacing the other so much because no one else can afford to buy one and catch up. This isn't a veno bash. Just something I find amusing. Good for those who have done what they did. I know that it was no easy feat to get hercs with in game coin and they still work hard to o what they do often with hours of boring grinding.

eatwithspoons

wow this is a major flame threadb:shocked