Blademaster or Archer?
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Fist Bm's are expensive D=, getting all that interval gear is a bish D=....0
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Archers also rely on -.interval gear. I got TT90 gold sleeves cause of that (man that was rough) As a fist BM i would think you'd get 2 pieces of the ashura set at 99 just for the -.05 interval boost XD, i was thinking of getting both lionheart necklace and belt for the -.05 interval boost as an archer. So yea that should equal out thereNavarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0
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Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »Archers also rely on -.interval gear. I got TT90 gold sleeves cause of that (man that was rough) As a fist BM i would think you'd get 2 pieces of the ashura set at 99 just for the -.05 interval boost XD, i was thinking of getting both lionheart necklace and belt for the -.05 interval boost as an archer. So yea that should equal out there
Umh...actually Im going to do that xD; Love up and down+cape with interval(forgot name @.@)+2 pieces of Lionheart Set+2 pieces of Ashura set+ lunar claw or TT red fist = 3.33 base speed =3(drools) with cyclone it becomes 4.0, and with spark the awesome 5.0(drools even more b:dirty)b:laugh0 -
lymphocyte wrote: »well i have both an archer and a bm and idk how the hell bm is supposed to survive on pve. most of the quest it gives you is magic mobs and bm's arent good with that the mob taks your hp dwn alot before you even get to it. and when your doing a bh or something like that if theres no barb your expected to tank so you got have a charm. and my archer,well! at lvl 70 i can even kill a ***** mob so i guess archers need charms too
b:shutup
1. bms dont need a charm to tank...i CAN tank all the fb79- bosses with 2 clerics, what i usually do is get some barb buffs before i get into the cave. however im not a vit build cuz im multipath FTW! so i rather a barb n 2 clerics cuz yeah i know what my role is, some barbs like 2 take agro from 1 mob at the time n guess who needs to stop the other 2 mobs that run after the DDs?...
2. i just use charms for tws
3. a bm CAN do the mobs, just that slower than an archer, kill 2 - 3 mobs then meditate (if u dont have mp pots) other than that sutra + second wind or tree do the work.
4. while attacking mob(s) u need to use will of b. or cloud sprint
5. get somepre practice on ur bm, its very fun pve and pvp0 -
weird with my 0 vit and split armor i take mabey 500 a hit from magic mobs in fb 59 with marrow on
for map grinding psssh shadowless kick + normall attack and the mob drops without ever casting
bms kill slower than archers for grinding purposes?
*gets out axes
*wipes 10-15 seaweed theives at once
ya fist have low SP almost every fister at my level will have a highly leveled axe or pole path sweetheart we aoe JUST as well as pure axes possibly better due to higher crits and acc
fists will out dps you every class will out spike you. as an archer you have 2 things
an annoying as hell shell + wings for high survivability
(no evasion dosent count if the bm has 180 dex at 77 and 2 misties)
and GODLY range you can kite and will have to kite every other class but if you play right you can just keep anyone away from you indefinitly
(seriously wach trancendants vids man)
no examples you use based on ideal formulas apoth pots geni skills and fights against fail people do not count do not use these everyone can do it so its not a "point" its a waste of my time disproving youGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Melack - Harshlands wrote: »b:shutup
1. bms dont need a charm to tank...i CAN tank all the fb79- bosses with 2 clerics, what i usually do is get some barb buffs before i get into the cave. however im not a vit build cuz im multipath FTW! so i rather a barb n 2 clerics cuz yeah i know what my role is, some barbs like 2 take agro from 1 mob at the time n guess who needs to stop the other 2 mobs that run after the DDs?...
2. i just use charms for tws
3. a bm CAN do the mobs, just that slower than an archer, kill 2 - 3 mobs then meditate (if u dont have mp pots) other than that sutra + second wind or tree do the work.
4. while attacking mob(s) u need to use will of b. or cloud sprint
5. get somepre practice on ur bm, its very fun pve and pvp
1. A 0 vit BM wearing lvl 56 boots was able to tank all the bosses in fb79 with a level 48 cleric healing, no other healers. So no idea why 2 would be needed, especially if they are even close to at level.
3. A BM killing slower, or needing to meditate after getting sutra, is just bad. AoE can be done even with smaller amounts just fine, and once a BM hits level 60 they get mold fists. I was killing foxwings within 4-8 secs each, and only used a marrow each mob. Every so often, I'd use a lvl 5 Sutra. Didn't raise Sutra higher until level 90, most of the health is from the initial amount healed. And only used 1 of the dropped mana pots per hour grinding that way. Not much point, since fists proc alot more than other weapon types. That means more heals, more mana gain, constant buffs pretty much.
4. Why would I use sprint skills on single mobs? For AoE, sure. But only need Cloud Sprint for that, no use wasting a spark. If need be, I can swap to a bow, grab a bunch from the middle, and kill em when they get to me.
In ending, 0 vit is no hardship at all. Haven't had any issues yet, other than cube when people jump me as I'm marrowed and fighting a lvl 95 health steal mob. More vit would just mean more charm burn before being brambled to death while heaven flamed stunned with a 3K+ mag attack from the mob.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »1. A 0 vit BM wearing lvl 56 boots was able to tank all the bosses in fb79 with a level 48 cleric healing, no other healers. So no idea why 2 would be needed, especially if they are even close to at level.
3. A BM killing slower, or needing to meditate after getting sutra, is just bad. AoE can be done even with smaller amounts just fine, and once a BM hits level 60 they get mold fists. I was killing foxwings within 4-8 secs each, and only used a marrow each mob. Every so often, I'd use a lvl 5 Sutra. Didn't raise Sutra higher until level 90, most of the health is from the initial amount healed. And only used 1 of the dropped mana pots per hour grinding that way. Not much point, since fists proc alot more than other weapon types. That means more heals, more mana gain, constant buffs pretty much.
4. Why would I use sprint skills on single mobs? For AoE, sure. But only need Cloud Sprint for that, no use wasting a spark. If need be, I can swap to a bow, grab a bunch from the middle, and kill em when they get to me.
In ending, 0 vit is no hardship at all. Haven't had any issues yet, other than cube when people jump me as I'm marrowed and fighting a lvl 95 health steal mob. More vit would just mean more charm burn before being brambled to death while heaven flamed stunned with a 3K+ mag attack from the mob.
1. 2 clerics are needed cuz a bm CANT hold agro from a wiz or archer yeah if they wanna do the run fast 2 clerics are needed 1 to heal the bm another to aoe OR u can kill one mob at the time...4 hours later u will learn that its easier with 2 clerics b:chuckle
2. aoe killing fox wings? b:chuckle and yeah back in the swamp i needed to meditate after kill 3-5 mobs (needed to kill them fast cuz they all hit hard and they hit u at least once each one) so u use a lot of mp pots there (or meditate) + sutra, also i dont use sutra while killing fox wings cuz yeah those are easy but that wasnt the point.
and FYI a archer kills a lot faster than a bm...DDs remember? we can aoe thats the diferent
3.sprint cloud that a solution for a they guy that CANT kill mag bosses w/o getting hit first i just use it for aoe grinding
4.plz use a bow in swamp lol not that efective, u link mobs and most of them are stick together i use earth flame to pull.
5. ill pm u for a duel soon ^^ wanna test ur 0 vit0 -
Melack - Harshlands wrote: »1. 2 clerics are needed cuz a bm CANT hold agro from a wiz or archer yeah if they wanna do the run fast 2 clerics are needed 1 to heal the bm another to aoe OR u can kill one mob at the time...4 hours later u will learn that its easier with 2 clerics b:chuckle
2. aoe killing fox wings? b:chuckle and yeah back in the swamp i needed to meditate after kill 3-5 mobs (needed to kill them fast cuz they all hit hard and they hit u at least once each one) so u use a lot of mp pots there (or meditate) + sutra, also i dont use sutra while killing fox wings cuz yeah those are easy but that wasnt the point.
and FYI a archer kills a lot faster than a bm...DDs remember? we can aoe thats the diferent
3.sprint cloud that a solution for a they guy that CANT kill mag bosses w/o getting hit first i just use it for aoe grinding
4.plz use a bow in swamp lol not that efective, u link mobs and most of them are stick together i use earth flame to pull.
5. ill pm u for a duel soon ^^ wanna test ur 0 vit
1. Arguing the DPS of BMs vs. other classes has already been done. BM forum and many archers already know it, waste of time redoing it. Fists have best DPS due to attack rate, and longer duration under spark. As for speed, depends on what instance. Mostly in wined runs now, and the 2 first bosses die under 2 mins with BM as sole damage source. The last two live between 2-3 minutes. The run itself is the longest part of the instance, the mobs die quickly.
2 and 4 seem kinda crossed. Fists are for 1v1 killing, showing single killing is fast. AoE is axes. But if a bow draws a bunch all at once, isn't that counter to your earlier post of archers killing faster if drawing mobs in is that easy to do to AoE. I suppose if grinding strange mobs, but should be grinding phys only mobs with phys marrow.
Level affects all as well. After getting sutra, healing was never an issue when killing. Few spots to AoE well up into the 5X range, so usually 1-3 at a time. Fists gained plenty of chi, and focusing on phys only mobs made it easy with marrow. No meditation, only used mana pots that dropped from death. Ended up selling many too, since not all were used. Upper 6X and 7X is when AoE can be a sole method of leveling, and is much greater than archers can do. Only a cleric can kill more mobs, though they need to gather them up as well.
Archers and BMs are both DDs, axe is AoE. Fist is DD. Math for it already exists in previous threads on here. Having an attack rate three times greater or more makes it pretty easy to stay demon sparked, meaning greater DPS for longer. And even un-speed buffed, still deals more damage when the right equipment is used; refinement isn't the main thing, just the adds.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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even without -interval or hell spark a fistie will still hold aggro easily
the only differance is that we're permanently single sparked instead of hell sparked and are sadly only hitting at 1.5-1.6 per second still not much in pwi that maches that dps
thats still better aggro than many a barb can generate on single targets and as for multiple magic mobs? as stated above LA HA mix + marrow = the ability to tank 4-5 magic mobs in fb 59 easily yes youll need a cleric for the crazy stuff like that but for map grinding and aalmost any 1v1 in a fb? no we do not need you (though that mana regen buff is wonderfull)
note to you people saying OMG FISTIES ENDGAME IS EXPESNSIVE well duh its endame its the last gear you'll ever need and the best youll ever get yes it will be pricy im a F2P player and yes thats the gear im aiming for as wellGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »even without -interval or hell spark a fistie will still hold aggro easily
the only differance is that we're permanently single sparked instead of hell sparked and are sadly only hitting at 1.5-1.6 per second still not much in pwi that maches that dps
thats still better aggro than many a barb can generate on single targets and as for multiple magic mobs? as stated above LA HA mix + marrow = the ability to tank 4-5 magic mobs in fb 59 easily yes youll need a cleric for the crazy stuff like that but for map grinding and aalmost any 1v1 in a fb? no we do not need you (though that mana regen buff is wonderfull)
note to you people saying OMG FISTIES ENDGAME IS EXPESNSIVE well duh its endame its the last gear you'll ever need and the best youll ever get yes it will be pricy im a F2P player and yes thats the gear im aiming for as well
With the new patch it is not the last gear or the best, actually idk @.@..idk the adds on G15 D=
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I find it hard to believe a 0 vit bm tanked ALL of fb79 with a level 48 cleric solo healing, polearm is REDICULOUS. Unless he was charmed, or spamming HP food like crazy.. OK I believe it but that's such a waste of coin -_-0
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Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »I find it hard to believe a 0 vit bm tanked ALL of fb79 with a level 48 cleric solo healing, polearm is REDICULOUS. Unless he was charmed, or spamming HP food like crazy.. OK I believe it but that's such a waste of coin -_-
Polearm is 69. Linus, Brigand Transient, and Bloodlusted Loon are 79. Though I did try 69 before, and it was working pretty well; until the cleric was 1 shot by the 2nd AoE that the last boss did. Other than that, I caught the heals well, and hit Purify from the first AoE real quick. Haven't tried it again yet, but I might since the cleric is now lvl 60 and should be able to survive the AoE easy enough.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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I thought of something funny and silly but just for the hell of it:
Archers get rank chest armor with -.05 interval. Lets say IF the archer was bored enough and restated to be a fist archer, he could technically have more -.interval than any BM could ever... and since DPS relies mainly on demon spark which is universal (in a sense) meaning... Fist archers would technically do more damage XD? Though fist BMs still reach 5 attack rate :S i dunno now..Navarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0 -
pole and nob are very doable but you need good timing with shadowless and spark eruptions to survive the magic attacks. the real problem is the cleric, who must have good timing with purify and potions to deal with AOE.
Blademasters would still have higher DPS because of the mastery.Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »I thought of something funny and silly but just for the hell of it:
Archers get rank chest armor with -.05 interval. Lets say IF the archer was bored enough and restated to be a fist archer, he could technically have more -.interval than any BM could ever... and since DPS relies mainly on demon spark which is universal (in a sense) meaning... Fist archers would technically do more damage XD? Though fist BMs still reach 5 attack rate :S i dunno now..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Blademasters would still have higher DPS because of the mastery.
true that :S how silly of me to forgetNavarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0 -
Yeah if one ever did make a fist archer it would have 4.01 attacks per second, which is way more than a fist bms 3.33. But once you add in mastery the dps isn't even close.
Lets just use 100 as an example, 4.01 X 100 = 401 dps. Fist would be 3.33 x 175 (demon fist mastery) = 582 dps0 -
Ryukezen - Sanctuary wrote: »i say BM for the simple fact that we are awesome.
Archers are good for distance and have a better crit rate, but when it comes down to it a BM is better. Reason being is that you don't have to run everytime ur in a duel with someone (I hate when archers do that). Archers are also costly, having to restock up on arrows as well as running out in the middle of an important fight is an ultimate fail on their parts as i've had that happen to me plenty of times.
We can hold good damage on a boss and our DD is too good to pass up.
-Disagrees-
I NEVER run while dueling. I stand firmly in place, and still manage to win every fight I have against BMs.
The arrows are incredibly cheap, you shouldn't run out unless you buy in incredibly low numbers. You're also warned when you have under 500 Arrows remaining, the same way they tell you if your armor is nearing its' limits.
Not only do we hold good damage on bosses, We hold enough damage to steal the Aggro from any barb our level. Our DD far surpasses the BM class. I'll admit sometimes it's overdone, I don't really like having to throw out a Winged Shell/Wings of Grace against bosses, so the Tank can regain aggro, and I can stay alive.
Also, yesterday I beat a BM 2 levels higher with 7.1k HP, And I'm a Pure Dex Archer. Not just once, but twice.
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I forgot to mention, but I've got about 3.1K Hp, so I don't think your DD is all that great >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Depends on the BM. Fist bms make better 1v1 DDs than archers, whether you believe it or not. And as for pvp, yeah bms aren't so great in the 70s but wait till 90+, I've seen an axe bm hit an archer with a 3.2k drakes ray zerk crit, and drakes ray is our second weakest skill.0
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Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Depends on the BM. Fist bms make better 1v1 DDs than archers, whether you believe it or not. And as for pvp, yeah bms aren't so great in the 70s but wait till 90+, I've seen an axe bm hit an archer with a 3.2k drakes ray zerk crit, and drakes ray is our second weakest skill.
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I just find it strange how people believe such a large imbalance would even be possible. The class with the highest non-modified crit, longest range, also getting best DPS? Sorry, the devs did think of that. And fists have the shortest possible range. Of course they are given best DPS to even it out.
And yeah, if there wasn't the 5 sec max APS I would have swapped to my 6X archer and been leveling it
But the maximum puts a crimp on that, and a fist archer needs an extra -.1 to get to 6.67 attacks per second; 5 APS is a break-point for 25% speed buff. So .3 interval is the same as .25, which means they must have 2 HA, 2 LA, and their -.1 chest from rank 8. Otherwise, they won't have higher APS even with the cap removed.
Though archers can do a decent amount of DPS if they have a BM Str fister as the tank. Demon sparking will lessen the effect of not having high str or mastery, since the 500% boost is only off of equipment. And with 5 APS, they can perma-spark as well; just need to watch out for early crits. Once 10 secs or so have passed, should be easily safe to join in even with crits. Though compare gear first.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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unless G 15 gives _.1 interval per peice i just dont care
and honestly?
its gonna be out of andone but a cash shopers price range even at endgame
(even IF the grind a save and pinch every penny to level 90)
though i do hope im wrong on this one i dont see it happening any other way
b:byeGifs are hard to make work here0
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