Blademaster or Archer?

infinitebluesky

Hey everyone,probably some1 will remember me because i stressed a lot in-game about this question,but still is not solved so i'll try whit the forum-

The question is: i have a blademaster axe/hammer and an archer pure dex (4 dex - 1 str), but i like to raise just one,don't have time for both so one must be dropped.
I don't know what to choose,the archer look cool (wings,high damage,ecc) but the bm lvl up faster and maybe can be better on high lvl (at least i'll get more than 1% exp a day,lol), but is a waste of potions...
Please write here your opinion,i need your help.
thank you.

Athalon - Dreamweaver

Blademaster of course. We may have to use a lot of potions at the beginning of the game but at higher levels we are more cost effective. we can self heal and use normal attacks for just a little less DPS than skills. We are very fast levelers and we are cost effective solo'ers. (even more effective if fully buffed with max buffs, even if we get buffed and leave the buff'ers)

Ryukezen - Sanctuary

i say BM for the simple fact that we are awesome.

Archers are good for distance and have a better crit rate, but when it comes down to it a BM is better. Reason being is that you don't have to run everytime ur in a duel with someone (I hate when archers do that). Archers are also costly, having to restock up on arrows as well as running out in the middle of an important fight is an ultimate fail on their parts as i've had that happen to me plenty of times.

We can hold good damage on a boss and our DD is too good to pass up.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

ok archer is a sepecialized class meaning they all follow the same cookie cutter build

bm on the other hand is a highly customizable class but since you specified axe hammer...

for DD purposes in instance archer is FAR better than pure axe hammer bm

for staying alive and killing multiple mobs at once go for a bm

for pvp

archer vs vit axe...your both gonna tick each others charms endlessly archer cant do enough to kill bm cant hit enough to kill

archer vs dex/multi weapon hybrid weilding axes...archers dead

bm levels slooooow till 30 compared to other classes but after 60 its rather easy

hope that helps

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

If you're not sure of what to do just go play archer or veno. easy?

Melack - Harshlands

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

archer vs vit axe...your both gonna tick each others charms endlessly archer cant do enough to kill bm cant hit enough to kill

not true, archer will **** a vit bm.

now archers r fun. for pvp they r damn good, for tws u r a sniper, it depends i rather a bm cuz of my playing stile n cuz we r more versatile's

Ussichu - Sanctuary

BMs are more fun to play as

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Melack - Harshlands wrote: »

not true, archer will **** a vit bm.

now archers r fun. for pvp they r damn good, for tws u r a sniper, it depends i rather a bm cuz of my playing stile n cuz we r more versatile's

guess your archer never had to deal with a bm with fists/claws.

infinitebluesky

Hi everyone,i'll write here a copy of an answer posted by me on archer forum,in a thread like this one (to be sure i asked to both parts)

"Hi,first i would like to say thanks to everyone who answered my question.

Now,i asked that beacause i have a Bm but i'm not able to raise both (archer and bm),so i must take a decision. I don't play this game just thinking about "endgame",i don't even know if i'll reach that point, but i belive that high lvl (80+) can be done.
Well i was planning to give up archer because the slow levelling (whit the bm i got 6 lvls in 4 hours,from 33 to 39 whitout aoe,than...) but after this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/transcendpw?blend=1&ob=4 i change my mind.
I saw many video of bm in pvp,they all look like "spam the skill,nothing else",quite boring... but the archer pvp is "skill,run,fly,action",this look FUN!!!"


Thank you all b:pleasedb:bye

Melack - Harshlands

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

guess your archer never had to deal with a bm with fists/claws.

fist/claws bms ARE NOT VIT BUILDS with low dex
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Ussichu - Sanctuary

infinitebluesky wrote: »

Hi everyone,i'll write here a copy of an answer posted by me on archer forum,in a thread like this one (to be sure i asked to both parts)

"Hi,first i would like to say thanks to everyone who answered my question.

Now,i asked that beacause i have a Bm but i'm not able to raise both (archer and bm),so i must take a decision. I don't play this game just thinking about "endgame",i don't even know if i'll reach that point, but i belive that high lvl (80+) can be done.
Well i was planning to give up archer because the slow levelling (whit the bm i got 6 lvls in 4 hours,from 33 to 39 whitout aoe,than...) but after this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/transcendpw?blend=1&ob=4 i change my mind.
I saw many video of bm in pvp,they all look like "spam the skill,nothing else",quite boring... but the archer pvp is "skill,run,fly,action",this look FUN!!!"


Thank you all b:pleasedb:bye

b:sweat you really enjoy kiting?

kenlee

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you're not sure of what to do just go play archer or veno. easy?

like so many archers or venos know what they are doing

infinitebluesky

Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:sweat you really enjoy kiting?

don't know, this is the first time i play a ranged/magic class,i always used to be a warrior...
well to tell you the truth i don't know if i'll enjoiy it,but it look fun to on tw.
Right now i'm just killing mobs and whit archer is quite boring (just because it is slower and i always run out of mp,using lot of pots or maditating).
I already post a thread about the role of the bm in the tw, just to know if it is fun or not and maybe switch to that...
For me this is a game and i play it for fun, don't really care who is the stronger,are just pixel lol.b:laugh
If someone will implement a class named "pizza seller" whit ranged pizza attack and scooter melee strike,but fun as hell, probably i'll play it b:laugh

Telarith - Sanctuary

Well, one thing to point out is the same thing I pointed out with clerics: you can't compare similarly leveled class power when you state one levels easier/faster. If in the amount of time it takes to get the archer lvl 70 you could have had the BM lvl 80, you would compare lvl 80 BM vs. lvl 70 archer. It really depends just how much better you can level BM, and which you've enjoyed playing more so far.

infinitebluesky

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, one thing to point out is the same thing I pointed out with clerics: you can't compare similarly leveled class power when you state one levels easier/faster. If in the amount of time it takes to get the archer lvl 70 you could have had the BM lvl 80, you would compare lvl 80 BM vs. lvl 70 archer. It really depends just how much better you can level BM, and which you've enjoyed playing more so far.

yes,ad bm i cna take 1 lvl daily (i don't play much), but whit archer can need 2 - 3 days to gain a lvl...
This is becoming boring...i don't if it's worth,i don't want a lvl 100 bm enable to give me fun at endgame,i prefer a lvl 80 archer cool to play at tw,that make me enjoy the game.
Hope will be worth...

Melack - Harshlands

infinitebluesky wrote: »

don't know, this is the first time i play a ranged/magic class,i always used to be a warrior...
well to tell you the truth i don't know if i'll enjoiy it,but it look fun to on tw.
Right now i'm just killing mobs and whit archer is quite boring (just because it is slower and i always run out of mp,using lot of pots or maditating).
I already post a thread about the role of the bm in the tw, just to know if it is fun or not and maybe switch to that...
For me this is a game and i play it for fun, don't really care who is the stronger,are just pixel lol.b:laugh
If someone will implement a class named "pizza seller" whit ranged pizza attack and scooter melee strike,but fun as hell, probably i'll play it b:laugh

dont make ur mind just cuz that video lol! that person is DAMN SKILLED doesnt mean that at that lvl u will have the gear/skill (yeah they cost a lot of coins)/the technique to do that....a brutal bm can maybe win in a 1 on 1 you never know

White_Puma - Harshlands

Bm's are more fun to play and alot easier to lvl due to aoe's, but archers are better in the higher lvls. If your looking for a pvp build, archers will always beat bm's unless the bm is super sharded and refined, but still with a few nice crits and a good stradegy, the archer wins.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

White_Puma - Harshlands wrote: »

If your looking for a pvp build, archers will always beat bm's unless the bm is super sharded and refined, but still with a few nice crits and a good stradegy, the archer wins.

I totally disagree. BMs with fists/claws are superior to archers in nearly every aspect.

1. more HP
2. more defense (though most have lower elemental res.)
3. native running skills
4. channel cancelling skill
5. high chance of interrupting channel due to high attack rate
6. more stuns
7. high accuracy (usually matches archers)
8. high evasion (nearly as good as archers')

Joshcja - Sanctuary

i love that the biggest advocate of fistties is a random wizzie

welocome to the fist/claw cult king...*gives t-shirt and id card

(note the fist/claw cult is not my joke/idea it was posted way back when)

b:cuteb:cute

lymphocyte

well i have both an archer and a bm and idk how the hell bm is supposed to survive on pve. most of the quest it gives you is magic mobs and bm's arent good with that the mob taks your hp dwn alot before you even get to it. and when your doing a bh or something like that if theres no barb your expected to tank so you got have a charm. and my archer,well! at lvl 70 i can even kill a ***** mob so i guess archers need charms too

Ussichu - Sanctuary

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I totally disagree. BMs with fists/claws are superior to archers in nearly every aspect.

1. more HP
2. more defense (though most have lower elemental res.) Altered magic marrow makes it more anyways)
3. native running skills Archers have a native running skill for max speed for 8 seconds, immune to movement debuffs as well 7 seconds shorter though
4. channel cancelling skill
5. high chance of interrupting channel due to high attack rate
6. more stuns One stun costs chi while the other is 50% chance compared to a long range 95% stun
7. high accuracy (usually matches archers)
8. high evasion (nearly as good as archers')

What you really need here: Attack speed/DPS


They can't be advantages if they are NEARLY as good as archers, means archers are BETTER AT THEM

For archers:

1. Range
2. Better PvP ability (Fists can't dent HA, least archers have magic attacks)
3. Sharpen tooth arrow/Bloow Vow for max HP debuff
4. Barrage, best AoE DPS

infinitebluesky wrote: »

don't know, this is the first time i play a ranged/magic class,i always used to be a warrior...
well to tell you the truth i don't know if i'll enjoiy it,but it look fun to on tw.
Right now i'm just killing mobs and whit archer is quite boring (just because it is slower and i always run out of mp,using lot of pots or maditating).
I already post a thread about the role of the bm in the tw, just to know if it is fun or not and maybe switch to that...
For me this is a game and i play it for fun, don't really care who is the stronger,are just pixel lol.b:laugh
If someone will implement a class named "pizza seller" whit ranged pizza attack and scooter melee strike,but fun as hell, probably i'll play it b:laugh

The most fun i ever have as an archer is when i barrage, just love the AoE... BMs are AoE masters

BTW when archers attack mobs its usually:

frost > normal x 2 > knockback > normal x as many till dead

that's cost effective

kamikaze101

Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »

:

1. Range
2. Better PvP ability (Fists can't dent HA, least archers have magic attacks)
3. Sharpen tooth arrow/Bloow Vow for max HP debuff
4. Barrage, best AoE DPS

wrong...oh...so wrong =3

Ussichu - Sanctuary

kamikaze101 wrote: »

wrong...oh...so wrong =3

Care to elaborate?

kamikaze101

its more interesting when you find out on your own ;p, you just need to face a good fister ;o or watch one work ;p

Joshcja - Sanctuary

135% weapon damage as fire and 5 atacks per second at endgame

im at 71 no -interval gear till 80 sadly T.T

bolshi 2x spark cyclone and 1/2 a barbs hp is gone before they can blink

fist bms can use axes and or poles to and our chances of zerk + crit are higher due to higher crit

genis exist

and fists DO have higher dps than an = geard archer at = level this is without adding - interval stacks the math has been posted all over this fourum or if you want visibal proff go find an = level fistr and have a little aggro contest

Ussichu - Sanctuary

Can't really ask for a fister to fight me since i'm LA and, then fine i'll keep PvP ability out of this since I really don't know fisters then in a Pvp realm

Sewagerat - Lost City

I have an archer as well.

Archers are much better for pvp but it depends on how you enjoy the game e.g. you might like destroying players or have a challenge.

BM's are much more challenging to play as in pvp but for me it makes it more fun, especially with an odd weapon path (pure spear).

Archers are much more costly as well, especially demon skills oof.

Archers need skills more than bm's for grinding because at lower levels they are very squishy. I just use normal attack on my bm for grinding.

Worship - Harshlands

I have both.. and in pvp nothing beats the feeling of dropping a barrage on the squishies and healers while they are doing a boss...then flying away really fast. in PVE i feel Bms are more fun because i just constant aoe.

No_biggie - Heavens Tear

Two words... Bow Master. do it. dont like getting up close? use a unicorn bow and stfu in the back with the clerics.

Dlorin - Lost City

Kudos to you, you posted this thread in the wrong place.^^

When ever someone has a question regarding more than one class, they should keep it in the General Discussion Thread porting of the forums instead of putting it in a biased single class thread portion of the forums.

Ussichu - Sanctuary

Sewagerat - Lost City wrote: »

Archers are much more costly as well, especially demon skills oof.

Archers need skills more than bm's for grinding because at lower levels they are very squishy. I just use normal attack on my bm for grinding.

Archers are the 2nd cheapest class right after venos. Ammo costs are cheaper than BM repairs as ammo is replenished every week or so for 100k and archer repairs consist of only their weapon and like 15 points on their armor each when their weapon is near to breaking if they haven't been doing any reckless tanking.

Also archers use 2 skills when grinding at lower levels. Frost and knockback arrow. Fist BMs will be using shadowless kick and cyclone heel. Same amount of skills.

lastly, archer skill books aren't too costly, but compared to a fist BM solely i guess your right, they're cheaper cause fist BMs rely on demon spark + -.interval gear mostly to remain in a constant spark state