what is the class with the highest dmg

miyahusaba · November 2009

like u see in the Title, that's my question.
i opened a barbarian tiger, but i wanna be the class who has the highest dmg on high lvls.
and gimme the allll name, i mean don't gimme short name. hehe i'll not understand because im new.
thanks for the helping pplz.

Delahk - Sanctuary · November 2009

Archers have highest crit rate, so they're the highest spike damage class, highest constant damage class is Wizards though, but they're VERY squishy early and mid game.

Meeplk - Harshlands · November 2009

well endgame wizards 1 shot pepole but also get 1 shoted enless light armour.

edit:just realized i was ninjad by delahk

Brianbrain - Heavens Tear · November 2009

wizzards and archers

Barbariankev - Heavens Tear · November 2009

wizards have the highest damage end game but til end game they are also the hardest class to lvl

LordChronis - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Wizards hand down have to have the highest damage output end game , ive seen a handful of wizzies on the forums say how they can hit 350k+. b:bye

Lairian - Sanctuary · November 2009

I suppose Wizards would have the highest damage with their heavy hitting spells. Just watch out, since they also have a generally high channeling time, and I hear they're tricky to play at the lower levels.

Archers can also deal some heavy damage with a high critical hit rate and quick attack speed.

Meeplk - Harshlands · November 2009

lol b:laugh 10 chars

Piliener - Lost City · November 2009

Nix's have the most damage

Alexeno - Sanctuary · November 2009

lets settle this:

at final level, with fully maxed out final gear, and completely maxed skills, here's how they stand:

sage (pure MAG) wizard has the highest DPH (period, end of story)
demon (pure DEX) archer has the highest DPS (period, end of story)

demon (light armor) wizard has great critrate (so alot of crits, plus demonspark=higher atkrate, high DPS)

demon pure MAG wizards aren't worth it

sage archers in general are situational, they *can be* much better than demon archers, depending on skill of player

EDIT:
DPH = damage per hit
DPS = damage per second

DPH is great for PK vs all except barb (which it isnt good for), and average in PvE
DPS is good for PK vs all, and great in PvE (except against bosses)

MagicHamsta - Lost City · November 2009

Piliener - Lost City wrote: »

Nix's have the most damage

^this.
b:chuckle

so far me think LLama's E-peen has the most damage.
b:shocked

Saitada - Sanctuary · November 2009

Hands down the class with the highest damage is the GM class. They can 1 shot anyone and everything in the game.

~Saitada

Kannone - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

lets settle this:

at final level, with fully maxed out final gear, and completely maxed skills, here's how they stand:

sage (pure MAG) wizard has the highest DPH (period, end of story)
demon (pure DEX) archer has the highest DPS (period, end of story)

demon (light armor) wizard has great critrate (so alot of crits, plus demonspark=higher atkrate, high DPS)

demon pure MAG wizards aren't worth it

sage archers in general are situational, they *can be* much better than demon archers, depending on skill of player

EDIT:
DPH = damage per hit
DPS = damage per second

DPH is great for PK vs all except barb (which it isnt good for), and average in PvE
DPS is good for PK vs all, and great in PvE (except against bosses)

I lol'd... someone explain to alexeno how wrong this is?

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I lol'd... someone explain to alexeno how wrong this is?

i would but it would be a waste of my timeb:shutup

StormHydra - Sanctuary · November 2009

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I lol'd... someone explain to alexeno how wrong this is?

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i would but it would be a waste of my timeb:shutup

i would but it would be a waste of my timeb:shutup

demon (light armor) wizard has great critrate (so alot of crits, plus demonspark=higher atkrate, high DPS)

Are you serious? Ok yeah they do have a better critrate but..=.=

miyahusaba · November 2009

Thanks dudes and women dudes, hehe.
i think i'll open an archer until the assassin will come to us.
by the way, when the assassin is going outttt to the world?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

demon pure MAG wizards aren't worth it

wrong on so many levels. arcane wiz with pure garnet implants, and demon stone barrier = 10k+ p.def, 9k+ mdef, and ridiculously high m.atk.

lrn 2 wiz plz.

if anything, LA is not worth it 89+ as it is a significant reduction in m.atk. crits are too unreliable on a caster class

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

wrong on so many levels. arcane wiz with pure garnet implants, and demon stone barrier = 10k+ p.def, 9k+ mdef, and ridiculously high m.atk.

lrn 2 wiz plz.

if anything, LA is not worth it 89+ as it is a significant reduction in m.atk. crits are too unreliable on a caster class

Please let her to have her opinion.
Btw I think the same.
Just 1 thing for now, because I don't want to make some flame.
Approximately from 8000 p.def to have even more p.def doesn't worth it, because gained damage reduction is very low. So after 8000 p.def is demon barrier quite useless. Sage barrier is 120% p. def demon 150%. And sage can have also 8000+ p.def. quite easily.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

to me, every little bit helps, really 8000 < 10000 when it comes to defending from archers. sage is stinky compared to demon when it comes to wizards. better pdef, faster casting of commonly used spells, channeling bonus from spark etc.

why gimp yourself in LA?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

to me, every little bit helps, really 8000 < 10000 when it comes to defending from archers. sage is stinky compared to demon when it comes to wizards. better pdef, faster casting of commonly used spells, channeling bonus from spark etc.

why gimp yourself in LA?

I don't want to argue. I did it in wizard topic already. But ok 1 most important thing, which change everything and demon mage doesn't have it. It's chi. You cannot imagine how important it is. Sage has much more chi. So he can spark at leas 2x sooner as a demon. He can use ultimates= 1 hit=kill almost everytime and he can do that much more often. I 2x spark literally every few hits. Sage has bigger damage with higher refined weapon. Etc. But as I sad most important is chi.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

there are other ways of getting chi, much like ive seen this argument for demon archers before, genies make a nice difference, chi siphon, cloud eruption, etc. as does just plain using basic nukes/divine pyro etc. its not like demons have no way of quickly acquiring it. and really, when it comes down to it, having played both, you really dont notice a difference between the two at all, 20% extra skills totally arent reliable at all, nor are you really going to stop in the middle of casting to give yourself that 50 extra, that loses DPS lol.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

there are other ways of getting chi, much like ive seen this argument for demon archers before, genies make a nice difference, chi siphon, cloud eruption, etc. as does just plain using basic nukes/divine pyro etc. its not like demons have no way of quickly acquiring it. and really, when it comes down to it, having played both, you really dont notice a difference between the two at all, 20% extra skills totally arent reliable at all, nor are you really going to stop in the middle of casting to give yourself that 50 extra, that loses DPS lol.

I have experience playing before sage. So I know how low chi I had. And demon doesn't have more chi, than I had before sage/demon decision. Also Everything you mention can sage use also, so with these he would have even much much more chi than demon. So Sutra, sparks, utilities he can use almost immediately.b:pleased

Alexeno - Sanctuary · November 2009

on my wizzie, i'm a sage. i can chain all three ulti's within a matter of seconds, so how is that fail?

ulti1 -> chipot -> ulti2 -> sagechiboost -> ulti3

i'd like to see a demon wizzie do that b:bye

i also can sagespark ulti into my aoe, and that frelling HURTS in mass pvp

sagespark -> chipot -> ulti -> sagechiboost -> dragonbreath

i do more damage than any pure MAG demon wizzie on average
(they crit *slightly* more often, but nothing worth note)

i also do much, much more damage than LA wizzies (regardless of build)

so explain why demon wizzies are superior?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

20% extra skills totally arent reliable at all

-facepalm-

you have much to learn about the true endgame....

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

nor are you really going to stop in the middle of casting to give yourself that 50 extra, that loses DPS lol.

-facepalm-

sage isnt about DPS. they are about pure unmitigated damage per hit (DPH). end of story

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

sages dont have a magically infinite number of chi over demons, they both gain alot. to me, faster channel on my skills > all this talk of using ultimates 24/7. its all about playstyle, and to me demon = raw nuking power = superior play style.

you have much to learn about the true endgame....

its like me relying on the % chance to seal that demon thundershock has, or a demon with d. stone rain with its low chance to stun, it doesnt happen enough for me to consider it something worth relying on. faster nukes > a % chance of something happening

sage isnt about DPS. they are about pure unmitigated damage per hit (DPH). end of story

badly worded section of a post, get over your self.

heres plenty of arguing on the matter for you :P.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=422382

Alexeno - Sanctuary · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

sages dont have a magically infinite number of chi over demons, they both gain alot. to me, faster channel on my skills > all this talk of using ultimates 24/7. its all about playstyle, and to me demon = raw nuking power = superior play style.

its like me relying on the % chance to seal that demon thundershock has, or a demon with d. stone rain with its low chance to stun, it doesnt happen enough for me to consider it something worth relying on. faster nukes > a % chance of something happening

badly worded section of a post, get over your self.

heres plenty of arguing on the matter for you :P.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=422382

at what point did i say anything about a "chance" for anything?
btw, sage doesnt rely on %chance, demon does

last i checked, nuking = highest possible damage in one attack
sage gives a solid boost of +%damage to all skills
demon gives +1% crit
which is better?

you know you are losing the debate, so you are resorting to insults. GG b:cute

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

at what point did i say anything about a "chance" for anything?
btw, sage doesnt rely on %chance, demon does

last i checked, nuking = highest possible damage in one attack
sage gives a solid boost of +%damage to all skills
demon gives +1% crit
which is better?

you know you are losing the debate, so you are resorting to insults. GG b:cute

#1 a 20% chance to gain more chi is relying on a chance for something. apparently you misunderstood what i was refering to.

#2 raw nuking = the faster channel found on alot of demon skills and the bonus from the spark. because wizards totally dont want/need faster casting, right?

5% isnt much of a boost, its like arguing the boost of sage wood mast vs demon mast on venos, its not enough to make a build altering decision. extra crit = more nuking power for some builds, so they pretty much balance out

#3 i havent insulted anyone, you started condescending to me

.

no ones losing any debate here, its just 3 already made sages debating with a demon supporter.

Alexeno - Sanctuary · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

#1 a 20% chance to gain more chi is relying on a chance for something. apparently you misunderstood what i was refering to.

ok, you got me there. however the chi boosts trigger often enough that it's hardly noticeable that it's a chance

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

#2 raw nuking = the faster channel found on alot of demon skills and the bonus from the spark. because wizards totally dont want/need faster casting, right?

faster channeling = higher DPS

again, sage is about DPH, not DPS

sidenote: i have -42%chan, and i'm not even decked out in my full -%chan gear

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

5% isnt much of a boost, its like arguing the boost of sage wood mast vs demon mast on venos, its not enough to make a build altering decision. extra crit = more nuking power for some builds, so they pretty much balance out

10k*1.2=12k // 10k*1.25=12.5k
12k+60k=72k (demon)
12.5k+62.5k=75k (sage)
3k damage isnt much of a boost? according to what logic lol

demon crit is a fail arguement, demon gives you a whole +1%crit

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

#3 i havent insulted anyone, you started condescending to me .

meh

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

no ones losing any debate here, its just 3 already made sages debating with a demon supporter.

the debate is which is better, and so far you have yet to prove how demon outclasses sage

Ajani - Harshlands · November 2009

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

demon (light armor) wizard has great critrate (so alot of crits, plus demonspark=higher atkrate, high DPS)

demon pure MAG wizards aren't worth it

I wish i could shoot you in the face for being dumb.. like seriouslly WTF

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

faster channeling = higher DPS

again, sage is about DPH, not DPS

to me dps = better survivability, more facts on survivability:
- demon stone barrier > sage
- demon DB = win in delta
- demon wellspring can save you in a pinch with its channel boost
- (this ones a toss up, i like sage's too) but the longer distance on shrink is win as well

demon crit is a fail arguement, demon gives you a whole +1%crit

it can make a great deal of diff for an LA build, ive seen some get near a good 20% crit. (my cleric friend has 18

) thats pretty high to me.

the debate is which is better, and so far you have yet to prove how demon outclasses sage

this is matter of opinion, and ive expressed plenty of reasons why i believe its better. i already know im not going to convince you.

edit: no ones posted a convincing argument on why sages are superior, theyve just continually stated theyre chi wh0res. DPS > DPH

Ponza - Lost City · November 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

to me dps = better survivability, more facts on survivability:
- demon stone barrier > sage
- demon DB = win in delta
- demon wellspring can save you in a pinch with its channel boost
- (this ones a toss up, i like sage's too) but the longer distance on shrink is win as well

it can make a great deal of diff for an LA build, ive seen some get near a good 20% crit. (my cleric friend has 18 ) thats pretty high to me.

this is matter of opinion, and ive expressed plenty of reasons why i believe its better. i already know im not going to convince you.

edit: no ones posted a convincing argument on why sages are superior, theyve just continually stated theyre chi wh0res. DPS > DPH

I play a 94 mg, and I know during pvp fights if I'm short on chi I definitely make the time to DS away, cast li's technique, and get the chi needed to kill. Unless my opponent is completely outmatched there's no way I'm killing him with just gush - pyro - stone rain. sure if he's melee its easy enough to kite and pyro for a couple minutes, but it slows you down.

There's no doubt demon mages have better overall skills, but they also spend a lot of time in SZ casting frostblade, or popping chi pots and getting stunned out of the fight since their other pots are on cooldown.

Demon archers are more popular because there's not much of a difference if an archer fights with 1.99 sparks vs 2 sparks. For mage everything starts at 2 sparks minimum.

Also cloud eruption is horrible. Would you give up absolute domain, extreme poison, frenzy, all those goodies for a skill that takes all your energy, and gives you maybe 40 chi?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · November 2009

Ponza - Lost City wrote: »

I play a 94 mg, and I know during pvp fights if I'm short on chi I definitely make the time to DS away, cast li's technique, and get the chi needed to kill. Unless my opponent is completely outmatched there's no way I'm killing him with just gush - pyro - stone rain. sure if he's melee its easy enough to kite and pyro for a couple minutes, but it slows you down.

There's no doubt demon mages have better overall skills, but they also spend a lot of time in SZ casting frostblade, or popping chi pots and getting stunned out of the fight since their other pots are on cooldown.

Demon archers are more popular because there's not much of a difference if an archer fights with 1.99 sparks vs 2 sparks. For mage everything starts at 2 sparks minimum.

Also cloud eruption is horrible. Would you give up absolute domain, extreme poison, frenzy, all those goodies for a skill that takes all your energy, and gives you maybe 40 chi?

and thats your play style, if it works for you, good for you o:.

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