Ranting and why venos make me feel awkward. <3 you guys
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We're both in the same boat Ky (b:victory Your new nickname!) and geez, I know exactly how you feel (same back to you!). Just today I left a squad because I was sick of the two veno's... I mean, I'm just watching them kill and next thing I know, I'm killed cause oh what, they ran into me when they stole the aggro from their pet?
Yeah, BMs are nice, usually are super nice too but you just watch them... Cut.... And slash.. Cut and slash... over and over, its boring! Not to forget all the healing you need on them.
Love the archer comment, archers are great to squad with until they steal the aggro. Its just like... Their there and at the same time, you think their invinsible.
Barbs, oh yeah! Love partnering up with a barb, its just like "Lets hit them you big furball!" (Kidding about the furball b:laugh) Plus less healing means....
I can let an attack in at least once!
Rofl, wiz....... Oh boy... You guys should meet cousin al (Not Al if you read this, cousin Alastar rofl), have some awesome memories of squading with him (like me dying on this awesome island from pirate things?) but... I kind of (a lot) lose some of my nerves to calm down because they KEEP HEALING WHEN I'M SUPPOSE TO BE?!?! I mean, its bad enough they can heal but to rub it in my face?! b:angry Geez, they can get super annoying... and killable b:cute
On the other hand, venos can be the best (and worst) to team up with. Like, you don't have to worry about them when doing mobs pretty much because if you need to heal, you can of course. And you get rid of them faster. But... I dislike.. Let me rephrase/say that. I HATE it when they tank!!! Sometimes I do... But other times, I just think "... GET IT OVER IT WILLL YA?!"
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Ahira - Lost City wrote: »dang veno's putting clerics and barbs out of business b:cry
Naaah! My veno is being used and abused by my faction for TT runs. I'm okay with it (except when I spend all day in the dungeons and have people yelling in my ear). b:victory I like having a barb tank because it means I can go back to actually DDing, for a change. I get sick of tanking too. When you have a Veno tanking it means your charm doesn't get eaten up from spamming Ironheart (and that's such a charm ticker b:sad). #1 Rule for TT: you sub it, I'll run it for you. All you have to do is DD. (Anyone need a TT run? b:avoid)0 -
Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »Naaah! My veno is being used and abused by my faction for TT runs. I'm okay with it (except when I spend all day in the dungeons and have people yelling in my ear). b:victory I like having a barb tank because it means I can go back to actually DDing, for a change. I get sick of tanking too. When you have a Veno tanking it means your charm doesn't get eaten up from spamming Ironheart (and that's such a charm ticker b:sad). #1 Rule for TT: you sub it, I'll run it for you. All you have to do is DD. (Anyone need a TT run? b:avoid)
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My cleric is L64 and I like to do runs with a bunch of clerics. So I fail to see your point nubcake. My veno is my main and my cleric is rapidly gaining levels. I do know what I'm talking about (and I will defend venos, period).0
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Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »Naaah! My veno is being used and abused by my faction for TT runs. I'm okay with it (except when I spend all day in the dungeons and have people yelling in my ear). b:victory I like having a barb tank because it means I can go back to actually DDing, for a change. I get sick of tanking too. When you have a Veno tanking it means your charm doesn't get eaten up from spamming Ironheart (and that's such a charm ticker b:sad). #1 Rule for TT: you sub it, I'll run it for you. All you have to do is DD. (Anyone need a TT run? b:avoid)
One thing tho, spamming IH wont tick our charm, on other hand DDing will tick it allot >.>b:dirty0 -
Tsutai - Dreamweaver wrote: »But there's a difference between a veno and a GOOD veno.. It sounds like you're a very good one b:thanks
Dunno about veno, but I'm a damn good archer
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Kyrinia - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ever done a challenging BH with a BMs are great because you get it done so fast, but, the HP....and you feel like you're on maintenance duty because you are healing faster than your MP regen, and you think, ohh if that were a barb I would have used half as many potions....and unlike overzealous barbs, overzealous BMs tend to die (killing everything in the path of course)
you understand us you realy do...b:flower
ya i dont care if i die a few times mainly cause that swath of gleefull destrution is just so darn prettyb:cute
edit: ya veno tank anywhere but tt is bad for bm's...its like i can hit ANYTHING without taking aggro which isnt so bad if theres a cleric for heals/rez after me and mobs have killed each other (i like the littli poping sounds they make when they die) but clericless runs with veno tank....forget thatb:surrenderGifs are hard to make work here0 -
what if barb accidently die?
u lagged and wasnt able to spam iron,wont u be glad u had veno with herc to grab agro and save the party?
and u always have to pay attention on squad and watch the hp of players..
archers and high lvl mages steal aggro often.
i am sure u all know about macros,so u can dd and watch hp in same time if veno is tanking.
if something goes wrong,just press esc and heal the person u need to.
or u can bb to help veno channel faster.0 -
Mala_Curica - Lost City wrote: »what if barb accidently die?
u lagged and wasnt able to spam iron,wont u be glad u had veno with herc to grab agro and save the party?
and u always have to pay attention on squad and watch the hp of players..
archers and high lvl mages steal aggro often.
i am sure u all know about macros,so u can dd and watch hp in same time if veno is tanking.
if something goes wrong,just press esc and heal the person u need to.
or u can bb to help veno channel faster.
How would the veno with the herc know you lagged? She wouldn't be paying attention to you, she'd be focused on her herc. If the barb did die, I'd have to rev him and back to normal, he's killing again.
And yes, we always have to look at the squad bar to make sure nobody is dying. Oh and I'm quite sure that by some point, we clerics know who steals aggro the most.
If something goes wrong, its wrong. I'm not going to snap out of BB because of one person left the range by 1 foot. You have to let the consequences stay and try to solve it somehow with improvising.
And wow, I feel like I want to join debate club now b:chuckleb:surrender[SIGPIC]http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad175/beinghope/beinghopesiggie.png[/SIGPIC]
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BeingHope - Harshlands wrote: »b:sweat................................................................. Can I say... Defending yourself in an ocean of clerics isn't so smart....
So...they're supposed to just stand there taking a beating instead of making motions to defend themselves and others? That kind of logic gets people killed, you know. b:surrender0 -
BeingHope - Harshlands wrote: »How would the veno with the herc know you lagged? She wouldn't be paying attention to you, she'd be focused on her herc. If the barb did die, I'd have to rev him and back to normal, he's killing again.
And yes, we always have to look at the squad bar to make sure nobody is dying. Oh and I'm quite sure that by some point, we clerics know who steals aggro the most.
If something goes wrong, its wrong. I'm not going to snap out of BB because of one person left the range by 1 foot. You have to let the consequences stay and try to solve it somehow with improvising.
And wow, I feel like I want to join debate club now b:chuckleb:surrender
did u read 1st post in this topic?
i was saying why clerics should like have veno in party..so if barb dies how u gonna rez him if boss goes after u since no veno with herc or some other tank?u both gonna end up dead.now to the rest of ur post..
who said veno would know u lagged?
1st of all if barb was tanking,veno wouldnt be paying attention to herc cuz no need to heal it,would be focused on dd and boss.u want to say that veno cant see barb is dead,and boss running toward the other players,only clerics see that?LOL
i saw it more then once where tank dies and veno with herc steal agro to save the party.
how u gonna improvise if the barb is dead,u gonna keep up with bb?b:question
plus it was mistake in spelling,i meant on rb..since i said clerics can help veno channel faster.
none cleric would drop bb cuz some1 left range,thats why u got chat in game <.<
also,i didnt say u dont know which players steals agro,i said it because i read in previous posts that some clerics just pay attention to tank or boss:
Morganna - Lost City
''if I DD and someone takes aggro, that person has to wait for me to realize they're taking dmg. I'd rather watch the party's health) and stare''
and u missed the point..wasnt about which class steal agro or not,it was about that u can do both in same time..dd and watch the hp's b:bye0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »One thing tho, spamming IH wont tick our charm, on other hand DDing will tick it allot >.>
Both will tick the charm, cake. IH ticks it faster. Or so it appears to me when I'm out aoe grinding with my cleric.0 -
Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »Both will tick the charm, cake. IH ticks it faster. Or so it appears to me when I'm out aoe grinding with my cleric.
*Deletes the wall o' text she was writing and goes for the TL;DR version instead*
You're talking about throwing yourself into an active combat situation, where your MP regen is cut. Nelae is thinking of an instanced situation, where many Clerics would be hanging back spam-healing a tank, thus retaining your full MP regaining capabilities.
...Though in terms of sheer MP cost, IH IS the bigger sink. Certainly won't disagree with you there. b:surrender0 -
XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »You're talking about throwing yourself into an active combat situation, where your MP regen is cut. Nelae is thinking of an instanced situation, where many Clerics would be hanging back spam-healing a tank, thus retaining your full MP regaining capabilities.
...Though in terms of sheer MP cost, IH IS the bigger sink. Certainly won't disagree with you there. b:surrender
It depends on the skill of the cleric. Unless they're in BB where they have no control over the MP beyond potting. I like Clerics that can heal and DD. I sometimes hijack my in game hubby's barb to tank dungeons or TTs for faction members. I like it when the clerics can drop 3-4 IHs on the tank and then smack the boss a few times with their attack skills (which puts them in combat mode more if they do that frequently - right?).0 -
XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »So...they're supposed to just stand there taking a beating instead of making motions to defend themselves and others? That kind of logic gets people killed, you know. b:surrender
Ummm I guess so? b:sweatMala_Curica - Lost City wrote: »did u read 1st post in this topic?
i was saying why clerics should like have veno in party..so if barb dies how u gonna rez him if boss goes after u since no veno with herc or some other tank?u both gonna end up dead.now to the rest of ur post..
who said veno would know u lagged?
1st of all if barb was tanking,veno wouldnt be paying attention to herc cuz no need to heal it,would be focused on dd and boss.u want to say that veno cant see barb is dead,and boss running toward the other players,only clerics see that?LOL
i saw it more then once where tank dies and veno with herc steal agro to save the party.
how u gonna improvise if the barb is dead,u gonna keep up with bb?b:question
plus it was mistake in spelling,i meant on rb..since i said clerics can help veno channel faster.
none cleric would drop bb cuz some1 left range,thats why u got chat in game <.<
also,i didnt say u dont know which players steals agro,i said it because i read in previous posts that some clerics just pay attention to tank or boss:
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Hey clerics, I think wizards should tank all bosses from now on >.>
Heavy armor wiz FTW0 -
Moog - Lost City wrote: »Hey clerics, I think wizards should tank all bosses from now on >.>
Heavy armor wiz FTW
Careful now...there are Clerics out there insane enough to try. I should know, cuz I'm one of em. b:sin0 -
Moog - Lost City wrote: »Hey clerics, I think wizards should tank all bosses from now on >.>
Heavy armor wiz FTW
Wow. I honestly wonder how that would work out. I'm very curious now... hmmm[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Morganna - Lost City wrote: »Wow. I honestly wonder how that would work out. I'm very curious now... hmmm
That's easy. They could tank Physical Bosses, but lose almost all of their ability to tank magic ones. The biggest debuff bosses (meaning Curse and Armor Break) would depend completely on the Cleric's ability to purify in time...or their own Apoth pot spam (Cleansing Stone I think...? It's a level 4 that purifies oneself), which isn't all that valid due to the cool-down.
This is, of course, assuming they've refined/sharded to all hell, thus having a decent pool of HP to work with and don't die in 1 hit.
...Then again...that does bring the question of Aggro into the equation. Would they be able deal enough damage to hold it, especially should they get interrupted repeatedly? They'd have to have refined their weapon a lot...but considering most people do at end-game, that's not unreasonable...but...
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XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's easy. They could tank Physical Bosses, but lose almost all of their ability to tank magic ones. The biggest debuff bosses (meaning Curse and Armor Break) would depend completely on the Cleric's ability to purify in time...or their own Apoth pot spam (Cleansing Stone I think...? It's a level 4 that purifies oneself), which isn't all that valid due to the cool-down.
This is, of course, assuming they've refined/sharded to all hell, thus having a decent pool of HP to work with and don't die in 1 hit.
...Then again...that does bring the question of Aggro into the equation. Would they be able deal enough damage to hold it, especially should they get interrupted repeatedly? They'd have to have refined their weapon a lot...but considering most people do at end-game, that's not unreasonable...but...
*Wanders off mumbling incoherently*
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The only time a Veno makes me feel awkward is those who a bramble happy spammers and ressing their pet in midbattle.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »The only time a Veno makes me feel awkward is those who a bramble happy spammers and ressing their pet in midbattle.
b:sad Tell us you don't want bramble. I bramble everyone when we go to butt heads with an AoE boss. And yeah, depending on the pet, I'll ress it midbattle if it is a more important pet (like my herc or my kowlin) if it's just my pulling pet I will wait till after. Our pets have a higher DD output than everyone else in the squad, making us a better DD than you guys. Sad but true, pet damage does not get reduced in TT. Pet damage + Veno's damage = higher than what any single player can put out... =/0 -
Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:sad Tell us you don't want bramble. I bramble everyone when we go to butt heads with an AoE boss. And yeah, depending on the pet, I'll ress it midbattle if it is a more important pet (like my herc or my kowlin) if it's just my pulling pet I will wait till after. Our pets have a higher DD output than everyone else in the squad, making us a better DD than you guys. Sad but true, pet damage does not get reduced in TT. Pet damage + Veno's damage = higher than what any single player can put out... =/
You know you only use bramble on the tank this being a Barb and since when can a pet out dd a Barb,BM or a Wizard.I simply can't see this especially if when going sage or demon.Clerics have better buffs in vanguard spirit.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you only use bramble on the tank this being a Barb and since when can a pet out dd a Barb,BM or a Wizard.I simply can't see this especially if when going sage or demon.Clerics have better buffs in vanguard spirit.
A pet can out DD a Barb, BM, and Wiz in TTs because of the non-reduction on damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you only use bramble on the tank this being a Barb and since when can a pet out dd a Barb,BM or a Wizard.I simply can't see this especially if when going sage or demon.Clerics have better buffs in vanguard spirit.
Venos own bms/barbs/wizards in TT in terms of DPS. Also, who the hell said bramble is limited to barbs and tanks? It is usable on all PC targets for a reason.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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Outside of TT as well as inside of TT my herc hits the same damage. My Bm/Barb friends ask me how much the herc hits and then started swearing at me when I told them 2k+ (depending on the instance and boss) and 4+ for Bash, not counting when it's debuffed. My friends hit between 1-2k and don't you dare go blaming their builds because they have very good builds.Combine the herc's damage to my average damage of 1.6k-3k (weakest skill to highest) and I do more damage compared to the other squad members, crits non-withstanding.
And you are mistaken about bramble. For AoE bosses, like Feng and Drummer, the whole squad gets Bramble because it does reflect back on the boss. It was never about your buffs. It's about my Bramble.
Bramble works on the whole squad at a boss and don't worry, by the time we've killed the boss it's almost worn off as well. Besides the adds on the Demon/Sage versions only work on the 30 minute buffs and in addition to that, the bonuses only last for a few seconds.
Moreover (and I'm sick of arguing this) the Veno debuffs, particularly amp, are better. Your Dimensional Seal will par equal to the Sage Veno's Ironwood but we do hit our breaks pretty often. True we don't have a constant debuff of magic defense but we can use our Myriads fairly often and they have a chance to cause both breaks which greatly outdo yours. True, they do not last long, but they allow for greater damage in the time span they do occur.
I am in no way trying to put down Clerics. Many of my friends play clerics and I have one myself. I love my cleric and my cleric friends do a bang-up job. They make running an instance go much more smoothly. You, however, should not discount the importance of Bramble. I do not buff it on the whole squad for the whole instance, it eats up more mana than it's worth. Just for AoE boss, cake.0 -
I hate venos
archers are REALLY cute <333 Disfunctionb:cute
Wizards are pro but hella slowb:surrender
barbs i would have a love afair with if they werent malesb:cry
bms another class to love. making me lose less mp doing unnecessary heals on archers.
clerics hmm. i would like to solo healb:sad0 -
MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you only use bramble on the tank this being a Barb and since when can a pet out dd a Barb,BM or a Wizard.I simply can't see this especially if when going sage or demon.Clerics have better buffs in vanguard spirit.
Comparing Vanguard to Bramble is slightly silly. They both serve COMPLETELY different purposes. =_=0 -
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Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:sad Tell us you don't want bramble. I bramble everyone when we go to butt heads with an AoE boss. And yeah, depending on the pet, I'll ress it midbattle if it is a more important pet (like my herc or my kowlin) if it's just my pulling pet I will wait till after. Our pets have a higher DD output than everyone else in the squad, making us a better DD than you guys. Sad but true, pet damage does not get reduced in TT. Pet damage + Veno's damage = higher than what any single player can put out... =/
I read that you only bramble the tank.It is one of the things that irks me when bramble is thrown on me.I find it hard to believe that a pet can out do a Barb especially a BM.Don't forget I play Veno to and have herc.I don't throw bramble on others and read that in the general discussion forum.
I find this hard to believe coming from Barb?LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
Venos own bms/barbs/wizards in TT in terms of DPS. Also, who the hell said bramble is limited to barbs and tanks? It is usable on all PC targets for a reason.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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