Ranting and why venos make me feel awkward. <3 you guys

Kyrinia - Dreamweaver

Ever done a challenging BH with a Veno? Doesn't it feel kind of weird that a. There is a tank taking damage and b. You aren't healing it. And of course you'll get some attacks in, you may take some enemies with their help, but, it just doesn't feel right. Not to mention she's destroying everything one at a time and doesn't seem to need you.

Well, whatever, at least they can pull, so party wipes aren't common.

On the contrary, whenever I'm with a barb I feel like we're invincible. Just to see if I could, with a barb called Bad_AssTiger, level 46, I took out a level 104 monster and got a DQ91 item as a drop, and it didn't even take as long as bosses! It's like, cleric and barb are perfect for nearly anything.

BMs are great because you get it done so fast, but, the HP....and you feel like you're on maintenance duty because you are healing faster than your MP regen, and you think, ohh if that were a barb I would have used half as many potions....and unlike overzealous barbs, overzealous BMs tend to die (killing everything in the path of course)

----I wonder how BMs feel when there is just a Barb and cleric in the party? Same way I feel when it's just a veno?

>< dammit why do so many wizards run when they take agg? It throws me off! It's like, "oh he got one, better protect him", and he's like, eff this someone else get it. Of course, if a guy runs, and you heal, that's your monster now...and the tank suffers until you're done.
But then when wizards aren't in the party you feel like the battle is so SLOW, ugh! It's a love/hate thing with me, wizards. They are great, so great they steal the agg.

Archers are cute . You go lil man. Just don't take the agg. Have some pointless healing cause I like you and have the time hehe. I feel bad when the archer dies,

-Rants from a girl about to do her FB51 xD

Morganna - Lost City

Kyrinia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ever done a challenging BH with a Veno? Doesn't it feel kind of weird that a. There is a tank taking damage and b. You aren't healing it. And of course you'll get some attacks in, you may take some enemies with their help, but, it just doesn't feel right. Not to mention she's destroying everything one at a time and doesn't seem to need you.

No kidding. Venos throw me off. If there's a herc tanking, I just kinda stand around (if I DD and someone takes aggro, that person has to wait for me to realize they're taking dmg. I'd rather watch the party's health) and stare. Venos are kinda just doin' their thing. I love it, but it's so confusing to me! I wish I had a pet heal b:sad

forks89

Nice little talk..

Interesting to hear the mind of some clerics.

I was always that cute little archer lol

Morganna - Lost City

forks89 wrote: »

Nice little talk..

Interesting to hear the mind of some clerics.

I was always that cute little archer lol

I love archers. Every time I get aggro (sometimes, when venos pull, tanks lag, so I pull aggro off of them toward the tank) they save me, if I can't handle it. Too bad they can't take a hit too well ;~;

RedsRose - Lost City

I have been in disastrous situations with venos b:surrender

All classes tend to run from the Cleric when they take aggro (until they know/learn not to run from the Cleric).

The fun begins more when you have a veno and more then one Archer/Wizard b:chuckle

Aadi - Lost City

That's what I've always said...venos with tanks just throw me off. I'm used to watching the tank's health and being responsible for it not dying, and when I can't, I get really anxious because I have no clue if the veno is healing fast enough, or if the tank is about to die, because I can't see its health in the squad window.

But <333333 DDing

Vivre - Harshlands

that opening post was so adorable b:pleased cute cute cute

ok. Not enough sleep. buttttt I actually love having a veno with a herc in the squad. Usually they're not the main guys if we have a tank (im a cleric) but the herc is awesome for taking side mobs so I dont have to heal as much. I like barbs even more though because tiger form barbs are just plain cute. Going through a dungeon with a small mob of white tigers running in a line... not very efficient but who cares!

I love archers. It's like a self selection thing with them... every archer I've played with has this thing about protecting the squishies. If I grab heal aggro the archer is always there to grab it off of me (except yeah... they can't handle aggro very well either )

Wizzies... I dont know. A lot of them like to grab aggro off our tanks on purpose to show how much damage they can do. But they go squish even faster than archers do. b:sad

Sralyn - Dreamweaver

I feel the same way in instances many times. And even though my gf plays a veno, and we've been questing together since level 1, I still just can't get used to the fact that I have almost no control over how well the pet tanks (almost, because of Spirit's Gift making the veno's heals stronger, and RB when the situation is dire, to decrease pet heal channeling time and make it even more powerful).

And to any DDs reading this thread, every time you run away from the cleric when you steal aggro, a kitten grows thumbs and shoots itself. Please, think of the kittens. b:surrender

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

Kyrinia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Archers are cute . You go lil man.

Vivre - Harshlands wrote: »

Wizzies... I dont know. A lot of them like to grab aggro off our tanks on purpose to show how much damage they can do. But they go squish even faster than archers do. b:sad

Ahaha. Those two made me lol for real b:laugh

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I have no problems with venos especailly those with hercs.It is the ones that don't have one that I might have and go throwing bramble on every one including me.

I have never really seen a Wiz run out of aggro. with squads I have been in.

Sevas - Heavens Tear

b:chuckle The best runs are a herc veno + a bm with a cleric to cover their backsides in emergency. The Veno and the BM get to aoe and the cleric gets to drop some nukes as well. If we end up with some bad agros s/he's there to pop some IHs on us and save the day. A really good herc veno knows how to controls mobs/bosses so that you don't really have to worry about them can assist attack to DD. It's lets you save your mana from healing to DD. That's how I did one of my BH89s (Brimstone). It was pretty cool, we had a couple accidents since it was only the three of us together.

I understand the complaint about DD/Tanks taking agro and screaming for heals as they run away from you. I've seen that too many times on my veno. I run in crazy-eight/circles until 1. my pet can save me, 2. another tank can save me, 3. the cleric saves me, or 4. they reset. You never, ever want to hear your BM tanker for one of the Belial adds screaming for a heal as he runs away with the add nipping at his heels. He's going to drop and running from you makes him drop all the faster (which means the add will head for you next). b:victory Screaming squad members is an early heads up to some biiiiig trouble.

Henchman - Dreamweaver

I dont know, i kinda like having a veno tank. Granted i still prefer a barb and your triditional perfect squad. With a veno it seems like i can focus more on keeping everyone alive and not having to focus only on the tank. As far as BM tanks go, one that isnt stupid can be just as good a tank as a barb... provoding the DD's Dont steal aggro, and since i heal them faster yeah i feel that hole in my pocket when i have to go out and buy another 100 or so pots. Im also a light armor cleric so i dont have that extra 1k mp to throw around either.

And nothing is more fun then dropping a tempest and watching the DD's feel inferior b:thanks

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary

@OP: personally, i love having a barb and cleric in the squad. If something goes wrong, i have my aoes and roar of the pride to try and save it (which usually works, since its usually mobs going after squishies). If something goes wrong and there's a barb and cleric there, the barb can roar, cleric can plume shell and heal, and i can take care of any mobs that were outside of roar range without the cleric having to worry about me.

Am i overzealous? sometimes. I ran into a mob today 20 levels higher than me and killed it just to see if i could.b:chuckle

Am I stupid? I don't think so. I find my limits and i stay within them. I don't go running into a mass of mobs if I have any doubts that I can a)keep agro, at least on the main target and b) survive for 5 seconds if the cleric has to res someone.

Tsutai - Dreamweaver_1278799984

Yeah I always feel stupid when there's a veno with a tanking pet like herc in the squad... b:surrender My natural reaction is yelling HEAL THE TANK but we can't heal pets It really bothers me. I personally don't even really like when there's another cleric in the squad either lol. It's just awkward because I don't know whether to heal or if the other is healing... And sometimes the other cleric just fails while you're DDing and people die -.- I like to be the only one responsible for my party's health...

Henchman - Dreamweaver

Two clerics I can usualy deal with, i just keep my eyes on everyones helath. My problem is when you get more then three it seems like all of them want to DD. and because they are clerics i dont think to heal them and focus on others that cant heal themselves, case and point these clerics die and fight amongst each other about who should have healed who..me i always concentrate on healing

Tsutai - Dreamweaver_1278799984

Henchman - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Two clerics I can usualy deal with, i just keep my eyes on everyones helath. My problem is when you get more then three it seems like all of them want to DD. and because they are clerics i dont think to heal them and focus on others that cant heal themselves, case and point these clerics die and fight amongst each other about who should have healed who..me i always concentrate on healing

I've actually been in groups for BHs and etc that got mad because there were multiple clerics and the clerics died b:chuckle In my opinion clerics have to heal themselves and their squad, so even if there are more than one or two, if you're a cleric you died because either A: you aggroed something on accident (which is totally understandble, a lot of clerics have high damage compared to some other classes) or B: you just did something stupid. T_T Which again is totally just my opinion...

Henchman - Dreamweaver

Exactly. If your a cleric heal and buff yourself its as easy as all of that. in a group with more then one cleric i usualy find it easiest to vocalize my opinion." hey, if you dont mind, Ill heal the tank, you focus on everyone else." or visa versa. i think the worst party is probably 2 bm's or 2 barbs as your options for tanking, and they are all picking up aggro.(obviously worse with the BM's)

Tsutai - Dreamweaver_1278799984

I've met a lot of BMs who think they're invincible -.- I hate when BMs tank because their hp is like up and down and it kinda bothers me... But it's better than an archer or something tanking that would really make me nervous b:surrender

Henchman - Dreamweaver

Sometimes i prefer an archer to tank. especialy against farren. the archer takes pretty light damage and me and the rest of the party can stay out of AOE range and the archer just takes the aoe damage, no one else. But yeah for the most part they make horrible tanks, right up thier with BM's

Tsutai - Dreamweaver_1278799984

Yeah that's true... So really anything but BMs. b:chuckle

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

It all depends on BM as when I was in TT3-1 a BM was all alone attacking XXX boss.I was red bubbling the Veno.The BM was having no problems staying alive i had to keep Barb healed up a lot more maybe cause if the BMs self heal sutra being helpfull.

I never once had to cast IH on that BM which is in my faction.

Morganna - Lost City

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

It all depends on BM as when I was in TT3-1 a BM was all alone attacking XXX boss.I was red bubbling the Veno.The BM was having no problems staying alive i had to keep Barb healed up a lot more maybe cause if the BMs self heal sutra being helpfull.

I never once had to cast IH on that BM which is in my faction.

It really does depend on the build. I ran a 1-1 with a certain BM, and we had a tank, but he actually took aggro on PURPOSE. It was really rather infuriating, since he was a dex build... Not good def. The high 6x barb was tanking better than the 8x bm. That's when Morganna throws up her hands: take aggro more than 3 times, and I don't heal you anymore. I'm forgiving, but when I've said to take your rings and xmas blessing off 3 times... That's it. No heals for you!

Nelae - Heavens Tear

No kiddin, you take aggro, you die b:bye

Morganna - Lost City

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No kiddin, you take aggro, you die b:bye

Not quite the idea... I love my venos, and when they pull, I understand that tanks sometimes have a hard time catching the mob. I'm willing to heal the mob off of them in the direction of the barb, to give him a second chance (I actually take less dmg than the venos, usually.)

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Was not meant literally =P.
Just i get pissed when on boss DD-ers compete for aggro and it switches from one to other like a ping pong ball.
I am not in particularly fond of that.

Ahira - Lost City

dang veno's putting clerics and barbs out of business b:cry

Morganna - Lost City

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

All you clerics do know, I hope, that you can help your veno heal her pet? If you want, you can keep an eye on her pet's health and if things look dangerous you speed up her channelling with your Red Bubble.

Also, about wizards... different wizards have different strengths and weaknesses. Some wizards will die in two hits, and if they do not run you would need to rez them, where other wizards can survive quite a few hits.

I actually forget about red bubble a lot, but that is a good idea, and I'll try to remember that ffr. I'm always afraid, when a herc is tanking, that someone will take aggro and I'll have to heal them. I'm a pansy cleric, and when someone dies, I feel terrible

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver

I love Venos. They're a Tank/Cleric combo all in one. Just means I blow more stuff up. And in most cases, the Veno would know best what their pets can handle. If they don't...well...I hope they have decent HP and an up-to-date Foxform. Cuz they just signed up for tanking duty if it comes down to me or them. b:laugh

Koltrast - Sanctuary

I spent the last 84 odd levels with my own pocket cleric, and we make a great team. I just wanted to comment on the self selection and aggro thing

The way I see it: I'm dispensable in an instance. If I take aggro off you, I am fairly well expecting to have to take care of myself, but I have a ton of skills to do that with. I have shields, including one that gives 3 seconds of invincibility and damage redux after that, and there's one that raises my evasion by 1000% (yes, a thousand), I have genie heal skills and I carry pots, food, and powders, if I can (so I can throw one of each and they don't put each other on cooldown).

So if I just stole your mob to save you, I'm not expecting a heal, and if you heal and I die anyway, it'll turn around back to you. And I sure as heck don't want to run a mob I just took off you, back to you!

The best way then for me to save a party wipe is to a) get the mob b) stop shooting c) throw every hp restore thing I have and d) if i ain't dead yet, run at the tank not the cleric. I tell my clerics to stay on the tank healing, if I steal aggro on a boss too, although god love em, they rarely do b:chuckle

Anyway, if you stay on the tank, I can either take care of myself (and tank gets mob back) and we get back to business, or I die and tank gets mob back, and you can res me at some point when you got time (or worst case, res scroll.)

If you switch to healing me instead, I either take care of myself anyway, or I die, and then you get heal aggro, and everyone dies.

As my husband is fond of pointing out, I can die and he can res me about 24 times before I've lost as much xp as he does on one town trip. And that, in a nutshell, is why I never ever run at the cleric screaming "heal! heal!"

Tsutai - Dreamweaver_1278799984

Koltrast - Sanctuary wrote: »

I spent the last 84 odd levels with my own pocket cleric, and we make a great team. I just wanted to comment on the self selection and aggro thing

The way I see it: I'm dispensable in an instance. If I take aggro off you, I am fairly well expecting to have to take care of myself, but I have a ton of skills to do that with. I have shields, including one that gives 3 seconds of invincibility and damage redux after that, and there's one that raises my evasion by 1000% (yes, a thousand), I have genie heal skills and I carry pots, food, and powders, if I can (so I can throw one of each and they don't put each other on cooldown).

So if I just stole your mob to save you, I'm not expecting a heal, and if you heal and I die anyway, it'll turn around back to you. And I sure as heck don't want to run a mob I just took off you, back to you!

The best way then for me to save a party wipe is to a) get the mob b) stop shooting c) throw every hp restore thing I have and d) if i ain't dead yet, run at the tank not the cleric. I tell my clerics to stay on the tank healing, if I steal aggro on a boss too, although god love em, they rarely do b:chuckle

Anyway, if you stay on the tank, I can either take care of myself (and tank gets mob back) and we get back to business, or I die and tank gets mob back, and you can res me at some point when you got time (or worst case, res scroll.)

If you switch to healing me instead, I either take care of myself anyway, or I die, and then you get heal aggro, and everyone dies.

As my husband is fond of pointing out, I can die and he can res me about 24 times before I've lost as much xp as he does on one town trip. And that, in a nutshell, is why I never ever run at the cleric screaming "heal! heal!"

But there's a difference between a veno and a GOOD veno.. It sounds like you're a very good one b:thanks But I've been in squads with a ton that aggro, run away, and die, then blame the cleric/tank for not saving them. Just because you have a pet tanking the damage doesn't mean the pet won't die or when you pull something won't go wrong... And a lot of venos I know seem to think they can solo everything until someone messes up.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Morganna - Lost City wrote: »

It really does depend on the build. I ran a 1-1 with a certain BM, and we had a tank, but he actually took aggro on PURPOSE. It was really rather infuriating, since he was a dex build... Not good def. The high 6x barb was tanking better than the 8x bm. That's when Morganna throws up her hands: take aggro more than 3 times, and I don't heal you anymore. I'm forgiving, but when I've said to take your rings and xmas blessing off 3 times... That's it. No heals for you!

That might of been the case for you but not for me.I trusted this BM as he was in the same faction as I.He wasn't all dex. as he was using axes.He did a good jop of keeping himself alive as I never healed him once.I was using redball on the veno to speed up the pet heal.The veno did run out slightly as in resulting in my death as I was trying to regain spark.