Sage/Demon Ultimates

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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    lolumad? and holy only begins to out-damage with a +12 g13(or hgher) weapon, so relax, you'll never have one. odds are you'll never have this passive, or any of the skills you're so eager to boast.

    @Mizuoni
    Reasons to go demon
    -demon spark
    -speed
    -stuns
    -paralyze
    -additional damage
    -lower cooldowns
    -higher crit rate
    -more pdef
    -jump further with blink

    Reasons to go sage
    -ults
    -pyrogram
    -stone rain
    -DB
    -gain/save chi skills
    -passives

    rest of your post is just talking about nothing you've ever done, and that's not valid in an argument.

    awww i forgot passives x.x thanks for reminding me.

    i never tried demon wiz and the triple ult sutra, GS>gush>BIDS combo, DB. Everything else, i pretty much tried in pvp,pve and blah.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So do you want me to calculate difference with lower refined weapon? I can do it with neon purgatory +8 refined. You will see that sage has always bigger output with this weapon.(maybe except SS) All another spells will be stronger. I can calculate it with your formula and I can calculate ultimates. Do you want me to do that? I don't think so.b:laugh

    I honestly couldn't care less, waste your time doing something I already know the end-result to. while you're calculating every skill for mages, instead of getting to 89 like you should be, I'll be off doing something productive. like, not arguing with a biased, clueless idiot. b:bye
  • drag0nball
    drag0nball Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    yes if u want to prove that sage has higher damage than you have to make with a weapon everyone can get and refined also everyone can do it...
    And so the difference is smaller...
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    drag0nball wrote: »
    yes if u want to prove that sage has higher damage than you have to make with a weapon everyone can get and refined also everyone can do it...
    And so the difference is smaller...

    I already did it. In this topic and another topics too.b:victory
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    lolumad? and holy only begins to out-damage with a +12 g13(or hgher) weapon, so relax, you'll never have one. odds are you'll never have this passive, or any of the skills you're so eager to boast.

    @Mizuoni
    Reasons to go demon
    -demon spark
    -speed
    -stuns
    -paralyze
    -additional damage
    -lower cooldowns
    -higher crit rate
    -more pdef
    -jump further with blink

    Reasons to go sage
    -ults
    -pyrogram
    -stone rain
    -DB
    -gain/save chi skills
    -passives

    rest of your post is just talking about nothing you've ever done, and that's not valid in an argument.
    Ironic, you call other people idiots when you're just as biased yourself. I mean seriously, you listen "lower cooldowns" under demon. Lol? What skill? There's one skill with a lower cooldown and it's force of will. One. Skill. Sage has a lower cooldown on phoenix. Also one skill.


    Reasons to go demon:
    - Demon spark
    - Better SINGLE target control (Pitfall, Hailstorm, Stone Rain, Force of will)
    - 1% extra crit
    - Earth Barrier
    - Reduced channeling on Pyro/DPyro/GSnare and Wellspring Quaff boost
    - Additional damage on gush/sandstorm

    Reasons to go sage:
    - Chi skill
    - Ultimates, especially Ice Dragon
    - 5% extra on masteries
    - More chi thanks to Pyrogram/Distance Shrink
    - Slightly better crowd control (Dragon's breath stuns, small AOE range on FoW, more chi for ults)


    Less biased/stupid list.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • drag0nball
    drag0nball Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    has 50% chance for 3 seconds...and the 3 seconds seems to be short tome...the 50% chance even worse...not to mention that you have to be close to the opponent..maybe against a cleric or venomancer is good but still thats not 100%
    Its not so much of a control if u ask me...
    I guess Sage has just slightly more chi than demon...and demon has slightly more chance to control targets than sage...
    Those flames between are just too exaggerated if u ask me.
  • drag0nball
    drag0nball Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    lol well...yes it may be true...sort of....
    But in TW u want to be a demon mage good because of the Emberstorm?
    Better an ultimate drop on TW and than the BM s will be stunned to death...
    Of course Emberstorm can be used in an emergency if u must do something fast but not to attack...it works only if u have to save your ****...and even than u can save it if u are lucky...and if u are not than...
    But there are plenty more spells to do in TW..like Force of Will or maybe sleeping spell if u have it...thats much more practical.

    And in duel if you can sleep the BM or to do Force of Will and silence him...much more easier and practical...why do u want to do emberstorm if u know it is only 3 seconds and 50% chance...Force of will silence him for 5 secs always...shophoriphic whisper puts the Bm to sleep 4 secs instant and always... you have there 1-2 seconds more time and its 100%

    Thats why I can't see the Emberstorm so great at demon also...because these other 2 spells are better...besides as I said..you can do in 6 meter range so u have to be close...but it has AOE effect... So i can agree to you a little bit/...but u can do that only if you are surrounded by 3-4 people and u have no choice to do anyhting else but this to try your luck....but still...you won't go inside in the danger as a barbarian...
    So...demon has just a little more control on few spells and sage has a little more chi...and has chance to save chi from ultis...

    People are overreacting..the difference between the sage and demon is not that big...
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    I think that would work great in some situations (like TW, maybe).

    And you do not have to stay close to your opponents. For example, you can do an emberstorm and distance shrink away before a blademaster can complete a stun.
    It's still single target mostly. There's little point in using it unless someone runs up to you, or you go into the minimum range of an archer. Only place where it could be used for crowd control is TW if you're in a base where a lot of people are close to eachother. But even then, there's usually better things you could be doing.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Demon stone rain stun is pretty ownage imo tbh

    lol @ preferring its -chan
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    I agree, I've had great luck with the stun recently. almost everytime I seal I use stone rain right after, and quite often it stuns.
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Still, the chance is too small to be able to rely on it. You cannot use the stun like a BM, who builds a tactic around it. I guess it's not really more than an add, although it is nice for sure if it happens. But you shouldn't bring yourself in a situation where u need your stone rain to stun..
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  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    There's a lot of really skilled mages on LC and the majority of them are Heaven Mages. However, the best mage on LC, imo, is a Hell Mage.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    There's a lot of really skilled mages on LC and the majority of them are Heaven Mages. However, the best mage on LC, imo, is a Hell Mage.

    Best Mage on LC
    bleh iunno some quit

    Llama
    Haiz
    Miss_Tika
    Elayne
    Amour

    You can probably say anyone of those names in WC and get an instant response.


    Now what demon mage are you talking about?????
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Best Mage on LC
    bleh iunno some quit

    Llama
    Haiz
    Miss_Tika
    Elayne
    Amour

    You can probably say anyone of those names in WC and get an instant response.


    Now what demon mage are you talking about?????

    hmmm... i wonder ???
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    hmmm... i wonder ???

    I heard Elayne quit and she isnt as famous as Miss_Tika, Llama and Haiz >.>
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I heard Elayne quit and she isnt as famous as Miss_Tika, Llama and Haiz >.>

    Popularity doesn't equal most skilled b:victory
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    Popularity doesn't equal most skilled b:victory

    REPHRASE!
    Isn't as popular by providing SS/vids of her owning
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I heard Elayne quit and she isnt as famous as Miss_Tika, Llama and Haiz >.>
    yeah the only lv102 player isn't famous at all...


    Maybe because you're not on lost city and were too low level to know much about anything when he played?


    EDIT: btw, lol @ lushess/nabmonic not being mentioned at all, especially considering nabmonic was like the first with demon earth barrier, such a waste
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    yeah the only lv102 player isn't famous at all...


    Maybe because you're not on lost city and were too low level to know much about anything when he played?


    EDIT: btw, lol @ lushess/nabmonic not being mentioned at all, especially considering nabmonic was like the first with demon earth barrier, such a waste

    As far as I know Nabmonic still got **** even being first with that sheild, pretty fail imo. Would have looked better on Elyane tbh.

    lushess <3
  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Ironic, you call other people idiots when you're just as biased yourself. I mean seriously, you listen "lower cooldowns" under demon. Lol? What skill? There's one skill with a lower cooldown and it's force of will. One. Skill. Sage has a lower cooldown on phoenix. Also one skill.


    Reasons to go demon:
    - Demon spark
    - Better SINGLE target control (Pitfall, Hailstorm, Stone Rain, Force of will)
    - 1% extra crit
    - Earth Barrier
    - Reduced channeling on Pyro/DPyro/GSnare and Wellspring Quaff boost
    - Additional damage on gush/sandstorm

    Reasons to go sage:
    - Chi skill
    - Ultimates, especially Ice Dragon
    - 5% extra on masteries
    - More chi thanks to Pyrogram/Distance Shrink
    - Slightly better crowd control (Dragon's breath stuns, small AOE range on FoW, more chi for ults)


    Less biased/stupid list.

    ^ agree completely. Also one side note with pk pots: Hell will NEED to use spark pots while Sage will be able to use others.

    Also the whole Chi skill --> Stone barrier combo is just so convenient. I would hate to friggin spam frostblade to get enough chi zzzz
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    yeah the only lv102 player isn't famous at all...


    Maybe because you're not on lost city and were too low level to know much about anything when he played?


    EDIT: btw, lol @ lushess/nabmonic not being mentioned at all, especially considering nabmonic was like the first with demon earth barrier, such a waste

    LOL I know... I'm the one that gave him that book too. I wanted to give it to elayne b:cry

    Then a few months later. tokens arrived b:surrender
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    even with these tokens I can get any sage wiz books.
    I have gush, pyro, SR, earth barrier.
    I saw only once a earth mastery but that was during last event. Nothing, absolutely nothing beside gush/pyro in AH for almost 2 months now.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    even with these tokens I can get any sage wiz books.
    I have gush, pyro, SR, earth barrier.
    I saw only once a earth mastery but that was during last event. Nothing, absolutely nothing beside gush/pyro in AH for almost 2 months now.
    Wow, that's really unlucky, I guess your server doesn't have as many mages opening books. There's quite a few on mine. I have every sage skill (either learned or the book) except for Stone Barrier (QQ), Divine Pyro and my 3 ults, which I'll get with pages of fate anyway, I'll have ~90 when I hit 99.


    I have double skills too, I probably have every mastery twice, distance shrink, sandstorm and frostblade. b:surrender I'm just glad I got sandstorm/phoenix/distance shrink/masteries. Sadly I didn't know about the 300 page trade at first so I opened 5 advanced books. Also bought earth mastery from the AH when the first event was over. I got most of the 89 skills (pitfall, hailstorm, glacial embrace, wellspring, crown) from the auction house. Never saw an Earth Barrier book though and I don't have the money to waste on books anymore to try and get it, especially since it's a 2/13 chance I'll get a new one.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.

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