Magic Attack; does it really play such a huge role in how much we hit for?

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  • Calliope - Heavens Tear
    Calliope - Heavens Tear Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    god this guy is annoying... is their a blacklist feature for the forums?
    There sure is! Click here to ignore him.

    edit: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist is the ignore list page, I have it bookmarked because I haven't ever found a link to it on the forums themselves. b:puzzled
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    MD - Harshlands wrote: »
    and I am not pro like Llama yet, he has 17% cri or 16%...=p
    Uh... no. No he doesn't.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Calliope - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There sure is! Click here to ignore him.

    edit: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist is the ignore list page, I have it bookmarked because I haven't ever found a link to it on the forums themselves. b:puzzled

    first link was magic hamsta...cant seem to put MD on ignore list it wont register b:surrender
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Trawne - Lost City wrote: »
    first link was magic hamsta...cant seem to put MD on ignore list it wont register b:surrender

    Ya the ignore feature kind of wacky.
    Strange that you can't link to it. o.O'
    I wonder how the original finder of it found it.
    xD
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  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    I wonder how the original finder of it found it.
    xD

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  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Amour,

    You have a ton more experience in and as a wiz than I do and I've wondered countless times how to find a way around a wizards flaws. I was using PWcalc when to see the difference when I noticed the MP. An HA build will have crappy MP. This will really affect a mages overall effectiveness because we rely so heavily on MP. My point being that if you roll HA your MP is gonna drop tremendously (and I already run out of MP enough as an LA wiz) and that's going to be bad because you, as an HA mage, are going to need to cast more spells than a pure wiz to do the same amount of damage. However, there are ways around that, you could shard mana + shards (but i would shard m.def shards instead) and then you can pot MP and use a MP heiro yet I'm not sure if you'll have enough MP to cast spells after it's ticked and is cooling down.

    Because of the lack of data we have on a HA mage I really don't know how effective it will be. I was always told DON'T EVER EVER EVER go HA!!! So I didn't. But to hear a lvl 100 mage talking about it really makes me wonder. If you wanna try it I say go for it. It'll definitely help the wizard class understand more about an HA mage.

    I personally think that Pure is the best way to go when you hit 90+ (i'm not even there yet I know). Yet I don't have the experience you do, as I've said before so don't flame me. I think Mages just need to get as much -channeling as possible. If we could knock down the channeling barrier we'd become really OP.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    An HA build will have crappy MP. This will really affect a mages overall effectiveness because we rely so heavily on MP. My point being that if you roll HA your MP is gonna drop tremendously (and I already run out of MP enough as an LA wiz) and that's going to be bad because you, as an HA mage, are going to need to cast more spells than a pure wiz to do the same amount of damage. However, there are ways around that, you could shard mana + shards (but i would shard m.def shards instead) and then you can pot MP and use a MP heiro yet I'm not sure if you'll have enough MP to cast spells after it's ticked and is cooling down.
    Please tell me you're joking.
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  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Please tell me you're joking.

    Please tell me YOU are joking.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    Please tell me YOU are joking.
    Go get to 89, get demon/sage skills and spam them, check the MP consumption and then come back and see if you can take yourself seriously.
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  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »

    I personally think that Pure is the best way to go when you hit 90+ (i'm not even there yet I know). Yet I don't have the experience you do, as I've said before....


    I clearly stated I have a lack of experience when it comes to higher lvl stuff. When you quote someone you might want to include the WHOLE thing related to what you're quoting... I'm just saying.

    But when I hit 89 I'll see what you are talking about. thnx xP
  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    Amour,

    You have a ton more experience in and as a wiz than I do and I've wondered countless times how to find a way around a wizards flaws. I was using PWcalc when to see the difference when I noticed the MP. An HA build will have crappy MP. This will really affect a mages overall effectiveness because we rely so heavily on MP. My point being that if you roll HA your MP is gonna drop tremendously (and I already run out of MP enough as an LA wiz) and that's going to be bad because you, as an HA mage, are going to need to cast more spells than a pure wiz to do the same amount of damage. However, there are ways around that, you could shard mana + shards (but i would shard m.def shards instead) and then you can pot MP and use a MP heiro yet I'm not sure if you'll have enough MP to cast spells after it's ticked and is cooling down.

    Because of the lack of data we have on a HA mage I really don't know how effective it will be. I was always told DON'T EVER EVER EVER go HA!!! So I didn't. But to hear a lvl 100 mage talking about it really makes me wonder. If you wanna try it I say go for it. It'll definitely help the wizard class understand more about an HA mage.

    I personally think that Pure is the best way to go when you hit 90+ (i'm not even there yet I know). Yet I don't have the experience you do, as I've said before so don't flame me. I think Mages just need to get as much -channeling as possible. If we could knock down the channeling barrier we'd become really OP.

    We're primarily talking about PvP... not PvE.

    HA will only work for 90+ who use cash shop.
  • EdmondDantes - Lost City
    EdmondDantes - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Kind of off-topic, but what does 'OP' mean? I'm curious seeing as how this MD person claims to be an 'OP Mage'. Omnipotent? OverPowered?
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Overpowered, but he's a joke. I wouldn't listen to anything he says, it's embarrassing how he's 96 and knows so little.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    EdmondDantes - Lost City wrote: »
    Kind of off-topic, but what does 'OP' mean? I'm curious seeing as how this MD person claims to be an 'OP Mage'. Omnipotent? OverPowered?
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    Overpowered, but he's a joke. I wouldn't listen to anything he says, it's embarrassing how he's 96 and knows so little.

    (^.^)' me just joking around but....
    I thought it stood for Overly Pathetic. b:shocked
    b:chuckle
    But I like his sig.
    xD
    All he needs is Over Nine Thousand somewhere there and it would be perfect.
    b:bye
    lol~

    Also @ Cholla i'm level 64 and I have a 6k mana pool without buff and without a HH60 weapon. X_x'
    With wellspring quaff it becomes 8k+
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  • Calliope - Heavens Tear
    Calliope - Heavens Tear Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Can you come up with any useful spell combination which would use up that entire mana pool in 10 seconds?
    Actually, MP charms tick every 5 seconds. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to run out of mana if you have one on.

    Even with event food, you won't be running out. Those give 300 or 500 mp per second, even your fastest skills take ~2 sec. You could wait until your mana runs out, pop mana food, and still cast whatever you want.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited September 2009
    http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=6302abc83977c4fb

    vs

    http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=9a279f4ea64f7ec9

    heavy isn't a bad build, it's just not realistic until you have a high, high refined weapon. pwi would shun such a build because light armour(even though you have pretty much the same matk as light when wearing heavy) is evidently better in some way.
  • Ayano-chan - Sanctuary
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I tried a more balanced phy/mag res build so the phy res of the HA wiz ain't actually that high but it's mag ain't that low either . I also assumed that lvl 100 ppl would 4 socket all their grade 11 gear eventually but left higher grade gear at 3 ; I might think using lunar rings would be a bit much for the average player but with the anni packs I believed it's possible ( I quit when anni packs came out getting as far as 99, not sure how many have lunar rings ,gimme a break :P ) .

    Pure build :

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=13906033a555752f

    HA build :

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3c6c83fbcf07cb2c


    Cleric + self buffed using these builds this is the what you get :

    2800-3370 mag attack and 3785 mag res as pure VS 1011 hp , 3954 phy res and 2% crit as HA .

    It's really not bad at all . I'm quite curious of more builds and like amour said don't post ridiculous rank 8 or insane refines on all gears builds , keep it somewhat realistic .
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I was thinking heavy would be better with a lesser refine on your damage, cause the damage wouldn't have such a huge gap between HA and pure.

    6k matk is a pretty big difference :X
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  • Ayano-chan - Sanctuary
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    I was thinking heavy would be better with a lesser refine on your damage, cause the damage wouldn't have such a huge gap between HA and pure.

    6k matk is a pretty big difference :X

    What 6k , lol ? I posted min and max end dmg , let's say 3k average with a +9 weap or so .

    The fact still remains that with a higher refined weap pure will shine more - this is what I'd normally say but if we think about it , with higher armor refines HA will shine more too , just on the hp part instead of dmg .

    While this might really be a toss up 1 thing is clear , if your weapon is only like +5 even if your 90 LA might still stand on top , ultimate build for cheap ppl I guess . I think 1 main reason would be that as LA one of your main advantages is the crit which is just stat reliant and not gear refine ( a.k.a money ) reliant while pure relies on a good weapon to make use of magic points and HA would rely on good armor to take advantage of the high hp refine it get's .

    In the end if you think about it , everything is gear reliant not just refine but the armor/ornament bonuses as well.
  • Llama - Lost City
    Llama - Lost City Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Amour I tooled with the concept of heavy mage. Basically your entire build revolves around emberstorm. :P if you are rich its worth a shot. Get god mode HP and 1 shot everyone.

    But no for that same money you can have a much more durable and harder hitting pure int mage, granted HP won't be as high but at least you'd be a factor in PVP.
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  • Miznatt - Lost City
    Miznatt - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    This is something that I've always thought about, but never really took it seriously to begin working out numbers and possibilities. As a full int mage with +5 hh90 gear, I find that my survivability is rather decent if I am able to kite/defend in certain scenarios, whether it be absolute domain at the right second, blink, holy path away, pk pot, etc, but there is so much room for improvement—question is, how to do it. Cash shop, of course, but I think it's fun to consider builds and tricks that break the molds.

    I don't have much to offer since I haven't done any experimenting of my own, but I think its great that Amour put this out there in the mage community and has shown that it's okay to consider a "forbidden" build and discuss it (it's a game, let's have fun with it). From personal experience, I've found that it's hard to take down a 50% arcane 50% heavy user; have only seen venomancers with such a build thus far on Lost City. I give props to those that pull off this kind of build... it requires a lot of planning and scavenging for adorns that grant you copious amounts of stat points. Maybe I'll have to look into this more when I have some free time.
  • Ayano-chan - Sanctuary
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    but I think its great that Amour put this out there in the mage community and has shown that it's okay to consider a "forbidden" build and discuss it (it's a game, let's have fun with it)

    Breaking the rules is always fun b:cute . I'd do it just to **** off ppl who have a fixed mind on something and believe nothing else can be good :P .
  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Im guessing u made this post while u were drunk...b:lipcurl
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  • MD - Harshlands
    MD - Harshlands Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    ...where is your heaven stone barrier?

    5k self buff defense I have to say its really bad as a level100 mage.

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