Best Classes (ENDGAME)

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

When I still played,the only time I let a barb hit me was when I attempted of killing him by using chi on sutra/spark eruptions/59 skill combos. That means if your stun fails your dead unless you use protect yourself with an apoth pot/invoke/spark eruption/a genie skill. Although you can count invoke and apoth out,a pro would keep track of your apoth cooldown and you really won't have enough time to switch to tiger and invoke if you see your stun fails. 2nd or 3rd spark eruption will protect you but you won't get to hit the wiz since he'll just kite away when he'll see u spark. So best shot for a barb to 1v1 a wiz would be a vit/mag genie that regen's fast and is hard to keep track on the skills that were used and energy left or just do it the the mindless zerg way : perditon when enemy's at full hp and pray for a zerk crit.

Oh ya and It's common sense that the wiz will be at max range when finally deciding to stop playing with your charm and try to kill so you need either holy path that can mess up your leftover energy for defensive skills unless u got a heavy vit genie or to be in tiger form that can mess up your attempt to stun and kill.


I did get hit a bit more sometimes but that was because of the total joke of a server that sanctuary is pvp wise and most pk was done in secret passage ,melee paradise Q_Q. Fighting outside in the 3rd world(like it should be,using all aspects of the game like jumping/flying) was so easy.


1v1ing a bm is much harder than a barb for a wiz,the bm has higher chances of winning.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

rofl? you think bms have a higher chance of killing wizards than barbs? what kind of fail **** barbs you got on your server? bms get ROCKED by wizards. wizards **** everyones face, even barbs. if you have problem 1v1 bms, you gear must be utter ****. the level 101 wizards on HT have around 10k pdef buffed.endgame wizards rocks everyone who doesnt have some kind of crazy **** gear

and "let a barb hit me" lol? you have no choice, if you expect to kill any decent barb who doesnt half **** their gears, your going to need to stand still to nuke them. demon barbs get 8.8 m/s and sage gets 9.3. the only way ur succesfully kiting them is if they fail, and dont know how to use alacrity + stun.

drmarley

Don't think wizards have a chance in hell of beating a competent cleric.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

.... roflercopter. wizards will rock their face, hard. clerics are probably one of the worst classes for pk

they have nothing unique other than plume shell, which is only useful against melee classes, and endgame archers can rip through plume shell quite easily.

clerics have nothing going for them in PK. you can heal yes, but that removes killing power. you dont ahve the damage of a wiz. no pet like a veno. no amazing debuffs. no big one shot kills.

dont get me wrong, clerics CAN pk, but with equal endgame gear they take the back of the pack with PK

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Clerics lol....they are pretty easy since genies came out,their attacking power is overall too low. Although killing hardcore vit builds with good gears that know how to play can be a pain.

And I didn't say it's easier for a bm to kill me than a barb,I said "1v1ING A BM IS HARDER which can mean it's hard to KILL HIM + SURVIVE at the same time. Why ? Stuns,stuns and more stuns. Basically if the wiz doesn't have any anti-stun pots there's no freaking way the bm should loose unless he's a total moron. Also do you know a bm has pretty much same mag res an arcane user at 90 + once he get's tt90 gold ornaments/demon slaughter or chrono belt,with marrow mag on ofc . Arcane mag res,double or almost double arcane hp,sprints that don't need form changing and worst of all stuns.

Ofc the barb is scarier than the bm dmg wise when he get's close,but he can't keep the hitting the wiz because he can't keep it staying still for long like the bm can.

So again I say 1v1ing a good bm is much harder( OVERALL) than 1v1ing a good barb for a wiz,period.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

no, your obviously not an endgame wizard. endgame, most bms are oneshot with bids for wizards. with spark, i get hit for about 6-7k a hit with no spark spells from 101 wizards. even with marrow its still not enough. but you wouldnt know this, because ur not a level 101 wizard.

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

no, your obviously not an endgame wizard. endgame, most bms are oneshot with bids for wizards. with spark, i get hit for about 6-7k a hit with no spark spells from 101 wizards. even with marrow its still not enough. but you wouldnt know this, because ur not a level 101 wizard.

A bm with marrow mag on ....1 shot by a wizard with ice dragon.......with same gears,does that bm have like 3-5 base vit or what? And I hope you meant a bids crit. Remember that their mag res is more than doubled with every refine on elemental ornaments they get ,and their hp is not actually that much lower than a barb in human form.

You've just made my day with the 1 shot by bids thing,idk if there's any point in discussing anything with you anymore b:chuckle .

P.S : I was lvl 99 before I quit.

Miss_Teka - Lost City

divineninja wrote: »

Now wait a second, I already put the wizard as number two highest at pvp. not high enough?


You're right, the nix doesn't survive 1-3 hits from a wizard, but the nix just needs to get a ripping bite in before it dies. I taught my nix, ripping bite, armor break, magic armor break, and doodoo. So, stun, then all the rest.

Using a veno properly is the key to success. Check this out:

1. Purge your opponent(take away all buffs), while sending nix to doodoo (stun), ripping bite, etc.

2. amplify maim (since you are already in fox form) -- increases damage taken by 30% i think.

3. demon venomous scarab decreases wood resistance (pretty high chance too)....hmmm...i wonder what all of veno's human form attacks are?

4. how do you lose? I saw a veno take a fully buffed barb with the above technique.

how funny...use your veno how ever you want against a mage you will still fail. this can go a few ways. all of which will result in a dead veno.

mage decides to kill you fast
1-mage BIDS before you can even get in range to send in pet=dead veno and nix at the same time

mage decides to play with you just a bit
1-you send in nix mage uses gush-pyrogram=dead nix(probably dead just from the gush)
2-mage BIDS=dead veno

mage decides to let you think you have a chance
1-mage waits til nix gets close will of phoenix-gush=dead nix
2-distance shrink away
3-BIDS=dead veno

mage is really drunk and passes out from boredom
1-mage stands there and lets nix stun/bleed
2-mage is laughing at the insanely low damage and lights a smoke giving you time to purge/amp
3-bleed runs out and mage gets bored sitting there will of phoenix-gush=dead nix
4-distance shrink-BIDS=dead veno

i could give you many more scenarios and none of which would the veno ever even tick the mages charm. you need to get within 25 range to send in nix. they can start channeling BIDS at 30 range. with the channeling of max gear you are barely in nix range before you are already dead. against any mage that isnt a complete failure you will never get close enough to purge/amp/bleed/or any other lame attack you can come up with.

try to come up with a single scenario that a veno can get close enough when they will get 1 hit every time by BIDS if the mage wants to. even if they "let" your nix in bleed would barely take 10% of their HP before it runs out. (and thats if the mage is completely unbuffed) if you want to go full arcane and shard magic defense then sure you can survive 1 attack but then a barb will come along and 1 shot you. a mage can use the same build against every class and no one would have a chance.

Paigrande - Harshlands

Wizards get really OP at lvl100 if they get a +12 refined weapon cuz unlike other classes, this refinement makes em hit very very very hard. Although stickygreen u r wrong about clerics, good clerics hit hard as fk nd r one of the hardest classes to kill endgame after barbs.

drmarley

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

.... roflercopter. wizards will rock their face, hard. clerics are probably one of the worst classes for pk

they have nothing unique other than plume shell, which is only useful against melee classes, and endgame archers can rip through plume shell quite easily.

clerics have nothing going for them in PK. you can heal yes, but that removes killing power. you dont ahve the damage of a wiz. no pet like a veno. no amazing debuffs. no big one shot kills.

dont get me wrong, clerics CAN pk, but with equal endgame gear they take the back of the pack with PK

What does that have to do with my comment?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Yep the wizard is the best BUT it takes looooong way to get good gear, filled with shards, to get sage/demon skills. And also it cost millions and millions coins. I would say about 500M to built unbeatable wizard. Also till lv 80-90 is nightmare to play. I wanted to quit 1000x times. Now it is much better. b:pleased

Paigrande - Harshlands

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yep the wizard is the best BUT it takes looooong way to get good gear, filled with shards, to get sage/demon skills. And also it cost millions and millions coins. I would say about 500M to built unbeatable wizard. Also till lv 80-90 is nightmare to play. I wanted to quit 1000x times. Now it is much better. b:pleased

I hav a lvl64 wizard and Im always ragequiting it cuz ppl kill me way too easilyb:laugh Hard to change from a meat shield to a glass shield...

P.S. My wizard has npc gear nd only the TT60 is decentb:laugh mainly cuz im only thinking in lvling it up to 80 or 90 nd spend time on getting good gear around there, until then... squishy4life.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

clerics hit hard? lol, no they dont. not at all. compared to every other class their damage output is insanely low.

drmarley

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

clerics hit hard? lol, no they dont. not at all. compared to every other class their damage output is insanely low.

I think you have me confused with someone else?

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

clerics hit hard? lol, no they dont. not at all. compared to every other class their damage output is insanely low.

This ^^. I know their average skills have pretty much same dmg output as wizards but it's the chi reliant skills that make up the difference.

What do clerics have for offense that uses chi ? Spark eruptions and tempest,that's it.

What do wizards have for offense that uses chi ? Spark eruptions,BIDS,BT,MS and most importantly sutra. The great part about them is that you can use sutra to combine them,hence why wiz is so fun to play xD lots of moves/combos to choose from.

If you hope of killing a good barb or bm or a high vit arcane with gush/pyro/SR/SS/GS all the time using no chi at all then u'r better off playing a cleric since it's almost the same dmg output if both are pure mag ,a lil more on some certain wiz skills. It's all about chi moves ,wizards are about chi,that's why they start shinning mostly at 89 + when you get your 3 sparks and 99 chi instead of 2.99. Till then you have the skills,just not enough chi to use them.

Bms need it also, human classes are chi relying but you need to use your head so you don't just waste it like a nub,period.

prof

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

clerics hit hard? lol, no they dont. not at all. compared to every other class their damage output is insanely low.

an int cleric hits as hard as any mage, just with less spammable skills. their damage is high, but their dps is low

your damage, however, is very low. weak wb

Paigrande - Harshlands

All I can say is that clerics are one of the best pvp classes endgame cuz they dont only do good dmg, they also have things like sleep, buffs nd self healing abilities that can fk u up if u face one cleric 1v1... How can u call a class that can do all of that nd more the weakest class in pvp when facing other classes with same lvls nd refinements endgame? The big problem is not the clerics but the players that play the clerics, usually ppl choose this class for full support nd u rarely see clerics that have a DD build (although when they max all of their skills they gain the DD ability even if they were originally for support only) nd thats the main reason y its hard to c clerics shine in pvp...

P.S In a pvp fight what matters is not the amount of skills that use chi or do extremely high dmg, what matters is who can survive through the enemies dmg and eventually beat him... clerics hav that ability.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

an int cleric hits as hard as any mage, just with less spammable skills. their damage is high, but their dps is low

your damage, however, is very low. weak wb

b:laughb:laugh i rofled at this one


once again paigrande PK= Player Killing. clerics have nothing special when it comes to this. their damage sucks. they can heal yes, but then you just become a chi building source for whoever your fighting. for me, when i see a level 101 cleric with good gears, i dont think "oh **** im going to get rolled" i think "lolz? this cleric trying to take me 1v1? gonna get ****" but when i see a level 101 wizard or veno i think "sht i might get rolled hard here if i dont play at the top of my game"

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Paigrande - Harshlands wrote: »

P.S In a pvp fight what matters is not the amount of skills that use chi or do extremely high dmg, what matters is who can survive through the enemies dmg and eventually beat him... clerics hav that ability.

Chi skills do matter allot,you CAN'T make combos from something that you never had can you ? A cleric as tempest and spark eruption for it's only high dmg moves,THAT'S IT !, and any non-idiot player won't stay to get hit too much or at all by sparked attacks unless,they'll either kite away a little,stun,use some shield etc. A wiz can *cough* do spells with 0 channeling while having spark eruption on too,oh wait it can do a 59 aoe with 0 channeling also,need's 4 spark usage but you can do it,sure you can survive as a cleric but it's quite hard to break a bm or barb's charm.

divineninja

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

clerics hit hard? lol, no they dont. not at all. compared to every other class their damage output is insanely low.

What do you mean by extremely low. A light armored cleric has great defenses and attack power, and you can pretty much kite a barb for a while, until he decides to be smart enough to go into tiger form (increased speed). Even then the cleric can take hits from the barb with light armor (buffed--not to mention a cleric can spam ironheart before getting down to nuking). What do you mean it's extremely low? It's not that low at all, you're underestimating the cleric. Plus with light armor, the cleric has a higher chance to crit with those big numbers it has.

divineninja

Miss_Teka - Lost City wrote: »

how funny...use your veno how ever you want against a mage you will still fail. this can go a few ways. all of which will result in a dead veno.

mage decides to kill you fast
1-mage BIDS before you can even get in range to send in pet=dead veno and nix at the same time

mage decides to play with you just a bit
1-you send in nix mage uses gush-pyrogram=dead nix(probably dead just from the gush)
2-mage BIDS=dead veno

mage decides to let you think you have a chance
1-mage waits til nix gets close will of phoenix-gush=dead nix
2-distance shrink away
3-BIDS=dead veno

mage is really drunk and passes out from boredom
1-mage stands there and lets nix stun/bleed
2-mage is laughing at the insanely low damage and lights a smoke giving you time to purge/amp
3-bleed runs out and mage gets bored sitting there will of phoenix-gush=dead nix
4-distance shrink-BIDS=dead veno

i could give you many more scenarios and none of which would the veno ever even tick the mages charm. you need to get within 25 range to send in nix. they can start channeling BIDS at 30 range. with the channeling of max gear you are barely in nix range before you are already dead. against any mage that isnt a complete failure you will never get close enough to purge/amp/bleed/or any other lame attack you can come up with.

try to come up with a single scenario that a veno can get close enough when they will get 1 hit every time by BIDS if the mage wants to. even if they "let" your nix in bleed would barely take 10% of their HP before it runs out. (and thats if the mage is completely unbuffed) if you want to go full arcane and shard magic defense then sure you can survive 1 attack but then a barb will come along and 1 shot you. a mage can use the same build against every class and no one would have a chance.

It's called stun. What do you mean the nix won't get it. How slow do you think the nix is??? It has a very very fast flying speed. Close to 11 m/s I think. That's about twice as fast as a buffed archer.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Wana elaborate on this Barb chain stuns, ninja?

Rillien - Heavens Tear

Way to generalise.

Sounds like you're basing your predictions on anecdotes. And a private server or another version of pw, if you think +12 everything is possible right now for the average player.

I wouldn't advise anyone to look at this list for insight on the most powerful endgame. Play the class that suits you best and better your own character please, so when endgame is actually reached all these egos can duke it out for the "most powerful class title". b:bye

p.s. The story about the veno beating the barb--well of course a veno can beat a barb when said veno has a nix+fleshream. Nothing new there nor does it prove anything about venos in general.

DarkSniper - Lost City

Light armor cleric 12 levels higher than me hits me for 1200 with plume shot, nothing other than tempest from said LA cleric hits me for over 2k, and thats being 12 levels lower

CrackKills - Lost City

divineninja wrote: »

It's called stun. What do you mean the nix won't get it. How slow do you think the nix is??? It has a very very fast flying speed. Close to 11 m/s I think. That's about twice as fast as a buffed archer.

sad sad little boy. you cant compare its speed to someone on the ground. your fire chicken cant even catch someone on a 6.2 speed mount.
how do you expect to stun when your dumb **** bird can be killed before you are even in range to send it to attack?
give it up no veno has a chance against a decent mage endgame. and even if the mage lets you send it in it will barely take 10% of a mages HP in 10 seconds. while at the same time the mage will 1 shot your chicken and 1 shot the veno.

lay off the crack

DarkSniper - Lost City

Where's that picture I know I have it somewhere....


Ah yes here you go CrackKills

divineninja

Ok, the wizard might be the best class then.

Miss_Teka - Lost City

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Where's that picture I know I have it somewhere....


Ah yes here you go CrackKills

nice pic there

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

divineninja wrote: »

a Light Armored Cleric Has Great Defenses And attack Power

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

malator

BigPea b:bye