Point of FF instance is to lose 500k?

Nakhimov - Lost City

He's complaining that the reward isn't "enough", not that the gear is hard(er) to get now.

Not like anyone gets frostwalk gear anyways b:chuckle

Kephras - Heavens Tear

No the gear is my issue. Already admitted that. And while my opinion of reward (FF mat drops) is different from the OP's (coin, mats or gear to sell?), the point does stand that there's no tangible benefit to running Frost anymore. I'd like to think that's something we can all agree on - though expecting everyone to care might be pushing it. b:surrender.

Asgenar - Lost City

There was no real benefit before frost update, still the same after the update. Am I surprised? no

P.S. I think i'm becoming a troll

Nakhimov - Lost City

Join usssssssssssss b:kiss

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

EDIT: i give up, stop moaning and go play another game please

_River - Heavens Tear

I can see why this instance would make people upset, however, having just finished an FF run myself today, I rather enjoyed all of the experience. Yes I have 2 chests I cant open at the moment... but it was fun getting to learn how the different bosses would react and how we'd need to do more teamwork to get the jobs done. Also, I got an incredible amount of exp. Yeah... drops sucked major... but I'm willing to live with it.

Only certain frost gear can now be obtained btw... Unless I've misread something somewhere. As the old items used to make gear are now used to make only 1 of like what... 3 weapons? Correct me if I'm wrong as I've only been able to catch a few places where to turn mats in.

All in all... if you want a heavy grind session with lots of drops, FF isn't for you. But I myself kinda liked the instance and will be doing it again soon

PS, if the members from my squad read this... you guys ROCKED =D

Reivi - Sanctuary

I Completely understand the point of the Op and of Kephras

may i remind some of you of this announcement
http://pwi.perfectworld.com/news/newsubpage/frostcovered-city-update-5791

NEW AND INCREASED REWARDS
No one would choose to face a challenging Boss if the rewards aren't worth it. Frostcovered City was originally designed to help LV 85-95 Players level-up, so we've taken the liberty of adjusting the EXP rewards to reflect that purpose. Additionally, the drops within Frostcovered City have been adjusted to be more gear oriented, rather than materials or components.

some peoples did get gear, (axes, capes.. )
Didnt have anything in 4 runs

3) Sincerity

Talk to the Frost Lord with the two items “Sincerity” and “Faithfulness”
Reward: Chest of Faith This Chest contains: Scarlet Fruit, Mirage Celestone, Auspicious Ring: Order, Unicorn Spirit Ring: Order (P.S. The last two are yellow gears)

emphasis on CONTAINS.. noit may contain, or as a chance to contain ..

dont you feel ripped off?

_River - Heavens Tear

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

emphasis on CONTAINS.. noit may contain, or as a chance to contain ..

dont you feel ripped off?

Yes I do x.x;; Cause nowhere did it say chest of coins T.T And with HT's current gold prices I can't buy a hammer unless I wanna lose money on it.

GMs can we get more clarification on the random selection from the chests in FF at the end? Cause I know people were getting flawless shards, chest of coins, and I'm sure other things not mentioned.... any way you guys can add more to that list so its not such a narrow thing? Even though I didn't know what to expect from that chest, it would still be nice if those options for the "drop" rate in that chest be a bit more accurate especially for people that do a lot of FF runs.... please and thank you ^^

Telarith - Sanctuary

Asgenar - Lost City wrote: »

I miss the good old days of pwi before the noobs. Ways to grind for 8x... party grind at fish or undines with miji, OR do rebirth. The exp you get there is more than doing TT quests, FF quests, w/e.

clerics can solo aoe wood mobs, wrs and barbs can go aoe grind.. and the dds go to fish or undines....

Good old days and rebirth do not belong together. If someone leveled off of rebirth, they are the new guy.

I remember the good old days where Rebirth wasn't done because levels were too spread, and classes weren't within right level ranges to do it. I remember when I could AoE wood mobs, and no other cleric was around to swipe my grind spots.

Absoluth - Heavens Tear

Always nice to see some ppl bending over and accepting whatever 'bone' they're given. Its the reason why we get rip-off chest rewards in so many game features, agressive market burning gold sale, illegal gambling involving many under-aged players and 1 of the most unbalanced and incomplete games in MMO history.

Keep puking on the threads others are trying to voice an opinion to make the game better. You're just sending out the notion to the GMs/Devs that you dont care if they completely ignore all the game's issues/bugs to force non-stop sales. You're helping PWI push out all self-respecting players out of PW.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Complan all you want. It's clear you want everything for nothing. You won't do anything unless it makes you rich. That's the point of this entire topic.

I run TTs and give up every mat to help the faction I'm in. I run frost to help out faction members for good exp and to finish their quests. I get a lot of exp as well and I don't want exp! I have to find a way to get rid of it now, dying a lot or a genie.

Learn to help others, not just your own wallet.

Granrey - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Complan all you want. It's clear you want everything for nothing. You won't do anything unless it makes you rich. That's the point of this entire topic.

I run TTs and give up every mat to help the faction I'm in. I run frost to help out faction members for good exp and to finish their quests. I get a lot of exp as well and I don't want exp! I have to find a way to get rid of it now, dying a lot or a genie.

Learn to help others, not just your own wallet.

ok zoe,

how you help on FF? if hammers are more expensive than chests?b:bye

Absoluth - Heavens Tear

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Complan all you want. It's clear you want everything for nothing. You won't do anything unless it makes you rich. That's the point of this entire topic.

I run TTs and give up every mat to help the faction I'm in. I run frost to help out faction members for good exp and to finish their quests. I get a lot of exp as well and I don't want exp! I have to find a way to get rid of it now, dying a lot or a genie.

Learn to help others, not just your own wallet.

What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, lay off the dope.
Your entire post is resumed into 1 little word: ignorance. You've contributed in nothing regarding any of the points of discussion made in this thread. If you fail miserably in reading comprehension, avoid the forums.

Reivi - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Complan all you want. It's clear you want everything for nothing. You won't do anything unless it makes you rich. That's the point of this entire topic.

I run TTs and give up every mat to help the faction I'm in. I run frost to help out faction members for good exp and to finish their quests. I get a lot of exp as well and I don't want exp! I have to find a way to get rid of it now, dying a lot or a genie.

Learn to help others, not just your own wallet.

Do i want everything for anything?

No, thats not the way i was educated by my parents
But If you present me a carrot, like any other mule, id like a bite off it.

Finishing the quests in FF is done in one run.. if your the only person helping others in your fac.. their is a problem.

We are the same level Zoe..and FF only gives me 4% on a 2*Exp week .. so .. dont see where you get to many Exp

I wanna exp.; i go grind

I do have a good equipement, good refines, but Some parts of FF gear can be interesting. Rings are.

When youre told in an official announcement that you will get this or that as a reward and dont get it.. then their must be something screwy in the realm of denmark...

If i only wanted to have a good time sink.. i know other games in wich i dont have to put money in.

Have you ever done sports competitions? When your last you get to have the chocolate medal .. wich you can eat

Chest of coins? Id have things to say about it if it wouldnt moderate me

perfect stones?? i do get 150 a day on an average day ... and it doesnt cost me 50k on my hp charm.

Isala - Sanctuary

I honestly don't get why they touted this as an "Improvement" when they completely flipped it around, and made it more useless than people thought it was in the first place. Honestly, who goes into an instance with Forges to get EXP anyway? You go in there to get the gear. TT, for example. Even if they decided to give us quests in there, would you do TT runs for the EXP, or would you do it for the gear? They took out the mats we were collecting, making the forges useless, slap a couple of quests in there to make it "New", and "Exciting", and then neglect to mention that those "Rewards" aren't really rewards at all, as well as pumping up the level requirement, so those of us who have been in there for months can't even get in without a group of higher level people. Not exactly the brightest of ideas, IMO. This was a pretty fail idea for an instance only the most determined, or insane dared mess with. It still is for the same group of people (minus those who can't get in anymore, but I digress) but they've added a layer of fail over what used to be my favorite instance in the entire game. It's not that we're greedy, or want something for free. It's that we really don't get what they were smoking, drinking, toking, inhaling, snorting, sniffing, and injecting when they thought this would actually be a better idea. Why didn't they just leave Frost the way it was, add those quests into the already available squad mode, modify the drops a tiny bit, and then go from there? You add to what you've created, you don't destroy it and start from scratch.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I honestly don't get why they touted this as an "Improvement" when they completely flipped it around, and made it more useless than people thought it was in the first place. Honestly, who goes into an instance with Forges to get EXP anyway? You go in there to get the gear. TT, for example. Even if they decided to give us quests in there, would you do TT runs for the EXP, or would you do it for the gear? They took out the mats we were collecting, making the forges useless, slap a couple of quests in there to make it "New", and "Exciting", and then neglect to mention that those "Rewards" aren't really rewards at all, as well as pumping up the level requirement, so those of us who have been in there for months can't even get in without a group of higher level people. Not exactly the brightest of ideas, IMO. This was a pretty fail idea for an instance only the most determined, or insane dared mess with. It still is for the same group of people (minus those who can't get in anymore, but I digress) but they've added a layer of fail over what used to be my favorite instance in the entire game. It's not that we're greedy, or want something for free. It's that we really don't get what they were smoking, drinking, toking, inhaling, snorting, sniffing, and injecting when they thought this would actually be a better idea. Why didn't they just leave Frost the way it was, add those quests into the already available squad mode, modify the drops a tiny bit, and then go from there? You add to what you've created, you don't destroy it and start from scratch.

I totally agree. They fu.. up ALL FFb:shocked

Kephras - Heavens Tear

^Exactly. That's why I keep imploring people to send in tickets. Innundate them. BURY them with suggestion tickets to fix Frost and restore drops. It's the only way they'll get the message, because simply making a forum post won't do it.

Nakhimov - Lost City

Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »

^Exactly. That's why I keep imploring people to send in tickets. Innundate them. BURY them with suggestion tickets to fix Frost and restore drops. It's the only way they'll get the message, because simply making a forum post won't do it.

So then nothing else gets fixed?

That's a terrible idea.

Kephras - Heavens Tear

Aww, my own personal troll Can I keep you in a jar with the others, Nakhimov?

PWI has their own agenda on what they add, fix, and change. It takes a significant unified voice for them to adjust it. Case in point, the anniv. boxes. They 'fixed' Duke's spam, and now we barely have to listen to him at all - just to point out a recent example. From your sig;

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote:

Duke Shouts: blah blah blah cash shop

something tells me you don't mind THAT fix. So why continue to troll this one?

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Keep hating on my posts for hitting you right on the truth. You are mad because you can't do frost and get tons out of it. Learn to actually play a game to help other players, and to have fun. Not to fulfill your greed.

I run frost daily at high cost to me. What do I get out of it? A fun dungeon and the knowledge I helped others finish their quests. It's all I need, its all I want. You are simply greedy.

Chests of coins? I sell to npc

Perfect stones? I sell to npc

Nakhimov - Lost City

Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Aww, my own personal troll Can I keep you in a jar with the others, Nakhimov?

PWI has their own agenda on what they add, fix, and change. It takes a significant unified voice for them to adjust it. Case in point, the anniv. boxes. They 'fixed' Duke's spam, and now we barely have to listen to him at all - just to point out a recent example. From your sig;

something tells me you don't mind THAT fix. So why continue to troll this one?

You misunderstood the point of the comment in my sig and you misunderstood why that is such a bad idea.

Here, I'll explain both. The line in my sig is not so much a comment on the red-text issue, but the fact that people are able to CS their way to a point far ahead of even those who spend much of their time playing, running CV or frostwalk, or farming in past. The "Duke Shouts" issue was merely a vehicle through which to express my disgust. Don't take everything literally b:bye

As well, I don't know anyone who sent in a ticket about the red-text issue, but I did see a lot of complaint and debate about it on the forums. The GMs do use the forums and they do listen to what we say (b:dirty spoons) and it was fixed as a result, which leads us to our next point, sending tickets for frostwalk. To explain why this is a terrible idea, you should familiarize yourself with the concept of a DDoS attack.

Here's the wiki article, a bit dry but it gets the point across: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Now, let's draw an analogy. Each ticket can be considered packets of data being sent to the host server, or the GMs. Now, if everyone sends those packets of data to a server that has a current "ping" of approx 1 week, then the Gms will not be able to respond anywhere near as quickly to legitimate issues, such as major bugs/players getting stuck, etc.

So basically what you're asking is a DDoS attack on the ticketing system because you don't like frostwalk rewards. Great plan.

EDIT: Am I the one being trolled? I just posted a reasoned argument, something is very wrong here. b:lipcurl

Absoluth - Heavens Tear

Anybody here don lunar lately? I was wondering if the mats were taken out there too.

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Keep hating on my posts for hitting you right on the truth. You are mad because you can't do frost and get tons out of it. Learn to actually play a game to help other players, and to have fun. Not to fulfill your greed.

I run frost daily at high cost to me. What do I get out of it? A fun dungeon and the knowledge I helped others finish their quests. It's all I need, its all I want. You are simply greedy.

You're a sad, sad kid. You continue to insinuate stuff you know nothing about, trying to force something so far off the point of the thread just to make it seem like your post meant anything. It hasnt, and its making you look like a fool.

So far all you have done is a poor attempt in flaming me using idiotic remarks and make yourself look like some great person. You dont know a single thing about me and your lack of intelligence prevents you from understanding the general idea of my post, or simple psychology for that matter. As for you repeating how great of a person you are for helping your friends, i can safely say you're far from it. You know why? Here you are in a thread that the purpose of it is putting in evidence some clear game flaws and instead of supporting an idea to 'improve gameplay for EVERYONE', you're being a selfish prick with the sole intention to flame and bring absolutely no arguements to the discussion in hand, just so we get into a flame war for mods to close the thread. You're a small person for doing so.

Please, if you're gonna keep using guesses to support what you wanna say, dont talk to me. I hate argueing with children or small minded grown-ups.

Kephras - Heavens Tear

Thanks for the clarification. For the record, I do know what a DDoS attack is, and no I do not mean to advocate such. I apologize if my comment was misconstrued in this fashion. :P
What I mean to say is that if the suggestion box is filled with enough digital scraps of paper asking for Frost to be further revised, PWI is more likely to listen. I know that the GMs listen to these forums, I simply don't believe that their voice alone will be heard clear enough if they go to their superiors and say "Hey, players don't like the changed drops in the Forgotten Frostlands instance."
EDIT: This is exactly what I'm talking about-

hawk wrote:

original post
First of all, the best way to get your ideas to the eyes that matter is to submit them in a ticket. Threads like these never go anywhere, they rehash talking points covered a hundred times already in threads that appeared weeks ago.

To put it in a different light, FF used to be equatable with a TT run. Sure, harder mobs and bosses, but the 'payoff' was a variety of material, coin, and misc. other drops that made a run worth going back for. Do enough of them, and you could acquire the needed items for whatever your goal might be. Whether you consider that gear 'worthless' is your own opinion, and irrelevant to the point.
The change has made it more in line with an FB run. You go once, for quests, and if you're lucky you just might get something more than exp out of it. But there's no reason to go back, unless you're like Zoe and just enjoy helping on the quests. And that's fine if you're the altruist type - hell, I've done more than a few BH29's/39's for folks, and all I get out of it is a repair bill and the knowledge I was useful. No complaints there, because I don't expect anything more than personal satisfaction.

I'm simply stating (yet again) that I wish to see it returned to a TT/Lunar model, and I don't see anything particularly greedy in doing so.

Reivi - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Keep hating on my posts for hitting you right on the truth. You are mad because you can't do frost and get tons out of it. Learn to actually play a game to help other players, and to have fun. Not to fulfill your greed.

I run frost daily at high cost to me. What do I get out of it? A fun dungeon and the knowledge I helped others finish their quests. It's all I need, its all I want. You are simply greedy.

Chests of coins? I sell to npc

Perfect stones? I sell to npc

Getting tons out of it ??

no just want to have what was promised ( let me play rich kid once in a while ..;; at 42 it helps a little)

Youd know me... youd change your kiddie attitude. All my friends have the help they need. but more than help... counselling is best. you should try it a little.


FF a fun dungeon?? no ... i have more fun playing chess.
Just lame strategies once you know them.; just apply them .. and dont be AFK

If you like to grind to be able to do a dungeon , and then grind more.; your choice, your life..

I expect other things from the game.

You taxes us of being greedy..; you seem to be greedy in tghe sense of recognition...


I thought better of you.

Damewort - Sanctuary

FF is fun, but seems it depends a lot on the squad too. If you are pulling every single mob you see - you will die from boredom. I get bit bored only on bosses.

Is it worth it? Depends what you see as "worth to do". Will it give as much exp as Rebirth? No, because it isn't Rebirth. Will it have as many drops as TT? No, because it is not TT. Did you really wanted an instance with Rebirth's exp, TT's drop rate and is as easy as fb39, so you could complain to Devs how they made an instance which lets players speed lvl and gain huge amount of money for nothing?

FF gives rather good exp for that kind of instance - 5% from instance isn't that bad. True, it doesn't drop materials, but it drops flawless shards, Pasts of Forstcovered (will be good after aniversary packs are gone), 1mil chests + seems also already made FF gears.
It offers a bit of everything and in the same time isn't as misbalanced. True, drops could be a little bit better, but that's it.

But not everyone is made for instance runs ^^ some are better at grinding than running them. So enjoy your freedom - nobody is forcing you to run FF unless you want to.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

ok zoe,

how you help on FF? if hammers are more expensive than chests?b:bye

who's fault is that?

people like you who charge over priced gold, it not the games fault, use your head before you reply =\

stop crying like a baby coz you cant get everything your way and learn to deal with it like every other player in this entire game does, and if you dont like it then dont play the game.. uninstall ftw

Granrey - Sanctuary

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

who's fault is that?

people like you who charge over priced gold, it not the games fault, use your head before you reply =\

stop crying like a baby coz you cant get everything your way and learn to deal with it like every other player in this entire game does, and if you dont like it then dont play the game.. uninstall ftw

crying?

I just asked for a logical answer and you give ridiculous comment.

I dont buy gold, so I dont charge for it.b:byeb:bye

can you at least answer the question?

btw, I will stop playing thia toon after I do my fb89 (at least I said that in other treads). So you dont need to remind me that.

I will make a new one after new races and if dont like it. I will then stop playing.b:laugh.

btw, the game can regulate gold, same as goverment does when necesary.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

same as goverment does when necesary.

right....

thats why were in a recession

Granrey - Sanctuary

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

right....

thats why were in a recession

lol, thats why you think the US is in recesion? thats a different topic.

Roojie - Lost City

Whenever I see "No one is forcing you to ____" I know the argument has gone so incredibly sour that the OP is most likely right and the reply doesn't know how to deal with it...
I see people selling the chests of coins for 100k right now. Gold is worth 400k+ a piece. 400k x 5 = 2,000,000. Or you could buy the 4 gold and sell it to make the 2 mill. That particular reward just spanked itself; ouch. From the sounds of it, people do go into instances to get gear or mats for gear/shards, not exp and coin drops. (I’ve never seen someone go through TT for coins and exp, have you?) Enemies are harder, bosses are harder, why waltz into an instance for less than what you could have doing something else? That’s like.. almost the same concept as going to the expensive store for a can of soup rather than the cheap store for the same soup.
Sometimes I wonder. This is how it looks to me. Why play the game at all anymore, it’s like it’s not worth it to do anything if you’re competitive(I’m not really competitive, so there.) or want to have a half decent character. You could just buy everything. Being a game, actually playing it is supposed to be rewarding, right? Going through an entire instance for almost nothing? With a high chance of nothing? Are they trying to make actually playing less appealing so everyone will cough up some cash? I have. For mounts.
Daily Mounted Race is -fun-. Not terribly rewarding but not hard either.
By the looks of it, FF is hard, kinda fun, but not really worth the effort?
Sad.
Sorry if I missed like… the entire point. But that’s what I got and processed.