sage/demon?

Lycanthar - Sanctuary

To the guy that said something to the effect of "duhr who's just gonna stand there and let you spark on them" the answer is simple...

When you publicly challenge your opponent to 1v1, you stipulate that there are 2 victory conditions.

1. You kill your opponent.
2. Your opponent runs away.

Because really... why else would they run, if they weren't about to die?

Anybody with any experience in 90+ melee vs. melee open pk will know what a battle of attrition it is. Some people hate it and refuse to even agree to 1v1 with another melee, whereas I love it. If both players are relatively equal I believe there's a great amount of skill involved to even dent your opponent let alone kill them. Skill, and of course some healthy luck in crits+zerks.

My two cents for the original poster though... If you enjoy being the go-to kitty for your faction in all things tanker (FB/WB/TT/RB/etc), then go Sage. You will be nigh-invincible, and thats pretty badass. However... if you want to walk a bit off the beaten path, be able to *randomly* perform epic feats of damage that no other class will ever be able to match, and have the lethal cocktail mix of speed, survivability, and offensive power... join me in the ranks of the demon barb.

One last thing... A few days after completing my 89 culti and getting my demon spark I was challenged to 1v1 pk by a lvl 100 archer. I was expecting to get completely ****, so when she said "GO", I panicked and used my triple spark in tiger form right away.

I resisted her stun arrow while channeling my spark, charged at her full speed and used Devour to debuff before I started my assault... only something was wrong. Something was very, very wrong.

She was dead.

8600~ damage zerk crit Devour. GG. lol

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

can this thread be stickied? as im tired of seeing people ask "Sage or Demon" threads.


yes, i necroed this.

Zangetz - Heavens Tear

Belligero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't understand your logic.

How would higher damage = better tank? To be a good tank, you need to take hits, not dish out damage. To take hits, you need more HP and Defense.

Sage version offers 40% Increase in HP in Tiger Form, including 120% Physical Defense Increase from Equipments as opposed to the 80% of Demons. Axe and Hammer Mastery boosts attack by 100%, as opposed to the 75% with 2% Crit. Bonus of Demons.

Basically, Sage Barb is the ultimate tank. Of course it's damage will suck a lot more in Tiger than a Demon barbarian, but in terms of pure survivability, a Sage Barb will outlast a Demon Barb by far.

Demon barbs are designed to balance out our weak points, it opens up a whole new offensive strategy with all the Crit. Bonuses and negates the penalty in Tiger form. It will be a better Killer, but not as great a tank as a Sage Barbarian could be.

You obviously don't no **** about tanking IMO. Yes tanks are meat shileds, and the barbs all ready have a bonus to hp and phy res. Having more dmg Would help with tanking for the purpose, the more dmg you are doing, you will be able to control aggro better. Any person who is a gamer , who knows anything about aggro control, would know the more dmg the tank can deal, as well as sustain will help keep party/squad members from pulling aggro, as well as healing aggro. So please before u go spouting off things foolishly, know what ur talking about.

EmptyWords - Heavens Tear

ok ok...don't laugh please..

I was in a BH and i duel with my gf for chi, only with fists.
At the end of duel i forgot to re-equip my axes.
I tank zimo in tiger without weapon b:cry
(ps: party has not big ones, they were all near my lev).

No trouble in that. b:victory

Then, damage is not a big problem, ok, an high damage is better for keeping aggro but is not a masterpiece for a barb TANK. If u wanna do a damage dealer barb ok.. demon is better...

...but...maybe...if u wanna do damage u fail the choice of the class..a wizard or an archer is better than a barb...

Hazardus - Heavens Tear

Can a demon barb have as much HP as sage?
Yes. He just has to spend more $$ and refine his armors more. A sage barb with same refines will always have more tho.

Can a demon barb have as much pdef as a sage?
Generally no. But pdef is a mute point over 80% anyways.

Can a sage barb do as much damage as a demon barb?
Generally no. Though I suppose if a sage went crazy and refines his wep more (like the demons did their armor) he could get close. Keep in mind that in humanoid the sage has a 30% higher phy attack (with titans and mastery) but the demons crits will probably still win out.

Can a demon barb tank as well as a sage barb?
Again generally no. Now I'm not saying that demons can't be awesome tanks (heck they've been tanking for 90 levels). Tanking isn't about just having the same (ridiculously high) HP. It also involves keeping aggro (which doesn't really depend just on damage) and staying alive. It involves spamming skills which everything from Master Li's technique to the sage spark to sage sunder to beastial rage to sage devour seems designed to do.

Bottom line:
Demon barb = Good tank, Super damage.
Sage barb = Super tank, good damage.
Demon and Sage barb working together = total pwnage! b:sin

So they are equal, just not the same.
Decide what you find enjoyable and will be doing more of and choose accordingly.

I went sage. In the end, I'm a PvE, cheap **** FTP guy and cant afford to +100 all of my gears b:laugh