is it worth it having a veno?
Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear
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i started a veno cause i heard it was easy.... looking back on my experiences with my cleric earlier in the game..but now im regretting it.... being a veno is too easy and ever since i found out that hercs the tank to have as a veno im even more sure that i shdutn conitnue with a veno ..my veno is lvl 51 by the way ..im what u call an OCD character maker (i came up with that) i made my first char..the cleric hated it...made a blademaster only made it to lvl 45 ..hated it made a veno and made it to lvl51 LOVED IT SOO FRIKKIN EAZY ....but im not gona waste 250 dollars on an image on my screen so im asking u people of pwi should i keep my veno with all its easyness or should i take another shot at the cleric and stay with it until i can call my self high level and be able to look at my friends and say i died 7 times today but no biggie im still a bad **** cleric
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call me crazy but...venos to me are most useful for money purposes they've got other good uses too but i wana be needed more like a cleric or a barb .......i have a barb now o___________o
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Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »i started a veno cause i heard it was easy.... looking back on my experiences with my cleric earlier in the game..but now im regretting it.... being a veno is too easy and ever since i found out that hercs the tank to have as a veno im even more sure that i shdutn conitnue with a veno ..my veno is lvl 51 by the way ..im what u call an OCD character maker (i came up with that) i made my first char..the cleric hated it...made a blademaster only made it to lvl 45 ..hated it made a veno and made it to lvl51 LOVED IT SOO FRIKKIN EAZY ....but im not gona waste 250 dollars on an image on my screen so im asking u people of pwi should i keep my veno with all its easyness or should i take another shot at the cleric and stay with it until i can call my self high level and be able to look at my friends and say i died 7 times today but no biggie im still a bad **** cleric
nah, venos are not worth it. You can always try a wizard, it does not seem you have tried one yet (I guess you are not OCD enough)Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
The best veno money maker stays at level 29(unpkable yay) to about level 35, grinds mats and DQ drops, tames rare pets (if possible), and that's it. Unless you're funded by a very rich alt, its hard to level a veno as a pure money maker to a level like jazmin's where a herc becomes more a part of your gear and less of a luxury.
If you don't like veno, I'd just say don't play it. I started with a veno and I love it, but I'm also having a ton of fun with an archer alt.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I started with a cleric as well, got her to like 60 something then stopped. I made the veno as a way to pass the time so that someone could catch up to my cleric. But I fell in love with my veno and now she's my main character. I have little alts I mess around with, but the veno is my main forever. I make decent money, but I don't use the herc at all. Its an amazing tank for some, but I just prefer to use my armored bear for tanking.
Venos aren't for everyone, but if you choose to continue, more power to ya, and well same for any class you choose. Just try to enjoy the game more than caring about being the best :P_Jaysun_'s Wife
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I would keep your Veno after all the time put in to it.I have lvl 43 Veno but my main is my Cleric which is what I work on the most.I go on my Veno as it is in another faction from my Cleric mostly Venos though.I made it mostly as money maker still have yet to make it it rich.
I hve other alts as well I did this in another game with lower lvl cap.I wish this game has lower lvl cap as well so we can have more than one char to play around with.You don't have OCD as a lot of gamers do this make more than one char.
I would just use your Veno as farmer that is all.I use other char as mules as well.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
Venos are great to have in a party. A veno who knows what she's doing can be as invaluable a asset to a party as a barb or cleric.
Problem is most venos are so used to soloing everything they don't seem to know what to do in a party.
The most obvious = luring. Shocking to see so many 60+ venos that cant lure properly. Luring doesn't mean send your pet out and bring it back. Luring means send out pet, let it hit once and then unsummon it. You are supposed to be bringing the one mob/boss out of the group.
That done the other duties a veno in a party has are:
1. Chi supply. Met too many venos that didnt bother with 'lending hand'. This is a skill that makes you invaluable to a barb and/or cleric. Imagine what happens if for some reason blue ball gets interrupted and the cleric doesn't have enough sparks to restart it?
2. Debuff. Venos have without a doubt some pretty good debuffs out there and are meant to be doing those. pdef and mdef reduction, amp dmage and purge are just some of those.
3. Tank what you can. This includes mobs and stuff. Not only will this help the run go faster (barb handles one mob veno another), but barbs and clerics will love you for it (less repairs and charm burn). And guess which veno they are gonna call on the next run they do?
4. Damage dealing. Though not the primary damge dealers a vneo and a pets damage is quite good. Particularly against '?' lvl150 bosses where the pets do not suffer from 75% damage reduction like all players.
One last word, against these bosses however please please switch off the pets aggro skills (bash etc. To switch them off, right click the pet skill icon).
With no 75% reduction the pets can easily steal aggro from the tank.
If a veno knows these basics and does them well, theres no doubt that veno will have invites to loads of bosses/FB/TT runs, even if you dont have a herc and/or nix to go.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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The good thing about venos is that they're OP from lvl 1. If you're a lazy **** like me you will love that and stick with the veno b:surrender
If you plan on playing pwi for a while and have money to spare, legendary pets will make game play easier and more fun. I see you're on a pve server. So if you plan on staying there u should stick with veno, cleric, barb and maybe BM. The classses that are needed most at fbs, TT, bosses etc are barbs and clerics and in some cases veno with herc. It depends what role you wanna play.0 -
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TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »venos are the cheat mode of the game
b:laughfixedClerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »b:laughfixed
that too, btw mind that true classes behind venos are called herc and nix, venos are more like a heal/ress backup cleric[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »that too, btw mind that true classes behind venos are called herc and nix, venos are more like a heal/ress backup cleric
Only in the case where the veno has said pets. If not, they are DD's and lurers as needed in some cases :P_Jaysun_'s Wife
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Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »b:laughfixed
Says the class that can AFK during a Rebirth.0 -
Ugh, don't remind me. I was paired with a horrid veno one night. I pulled the first FB69 boss and apparently she wanted to prove her worth or whatever. We're discussing if we have tabs for the last two bosses (were doing the wheel quest) and she comes luring the boss while we are all discussing things causing a partywipe. Then in FB79 she lures a mob instead of the boss... And ended the night with luring both Linus and the other boss. Luckily I was able to grab the other boss and knock 2/3rds off of it by the rest of the party was able to down Linus. I wanted nothing to do with her after all those screwups. We all make mistakes once in a while but to make that many and not apologize for a single one?Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »You are supposed to be bringing the one mob/boss out of the group.Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venos are great to have in a party. A veno who knows what she's doing can be as invaluable a asset to a party as a barb or cleric.
If a veno knows these basics and does them well, theres no doubt that veno will have invites to loads of bosses/FB/TT runs, even if you dont have a herc and/or nix to go.
I will also attest to this. I'm always sparking tank/amping boss, luring, tanking, DDing... it's a lot of hard work, and I think a great deal of venos are lazy, but people who know me don't think twice about me doing my job in the party. Luckily the guild I'm in now there are other awesome venos so I do get time now to do my own thing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »nah, venos are not worth it. You can always try a wizard, it does not seem you have tried one yet (I guess you are not OCD enough)
welll thats not entirely true o_o i have made 2 venos since i started this game 1 wizard 2 barbarians 2 clerics 1 archer 2 blademasters i think i have a problem but im workin on it xD0 -
_River - Heavens Tear wrote: »I started with a cleric as well, got her to like 60 something then stopped. I made the veno as a way to pass the time so that someone could catch up to my cleric. But I fell in love with my veno and now she's my main character. I have little alts I mess around with, but the veno is my main forever. I make decent money, but I don't use the herc at all. Its an amazing tank for some, but I just prefer to use my armored bear for tanking.
Venos aren't for everyone, but if you choose to continue, more power to ya, and well same for any class you choose. Just try to enjoy the game more than caring about being the best :P
yes i guess its kind of about being the best and i want to be the best veno i can be...why the hell spend so much time on it if i cant be the best veno and if havin a herc means being the best (will not buy a herc) then the venos not for me0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »The best veno money maker stays at level 29(unpkable yay) to about level 35, grinds mats and DQ drops, tames rare pets (if possible), and that's it. Unless you're funded by a very rich alt, its hard to level a veno as a pure money maker to a level like jazmin's where a herc becomes more a part of your gear and less of a luxury.
If you don't like veno, I'd just say don't play it. I started with a veno and I love it, but I'm also having a ton of fun with an archer alt.
i also loved the veno...alot...i was willing to take it too lvl 100 but the business with the herc has given me a change of heart i always wanted to solo TT's but is has come to my attention that that aint possible without a herc..anybody else agree with this statement?0 -
thats what im planning on doing b:laugh im planning on still doing the quests cause that gives coins too along with the coins i get from killing the mobs the only difference is i would be spending more time on my cleric and my barbMystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »I would keep your Veno after all the time put in to it.I have lvl 43 Veno but my main is my Cleric which is what I work on the most.I go on my Veno as it is in another faction from my Cleric mostly Venos though.I made it mostly as money maker still have yet to make it it rich.
I hve other alts as well I did this in another game with lower lvl cap.I wish this game has lower lvl cap as well so we can have more than one char to play around with.You don't have OCD as a lot of gamers do this make more than one char.
I would just use your Veno as farmer that is all.I use other char as mules as well.0 -
Loner - Harshlands wrote: »The good thing about venos is that they're OP from lvl 1. If you're a lazy **** like me you will love that and stick with the veno b:surrender
If you plan on playing pwi for a while and have money to spare, legendary pets will make game play easier and more fun. I see you're on a pve server. So if you plan on staying there u should stick with veno, cleric, barb and maybe BM. The classses that are needed most at fbs, TT, bosses etc are barbs and clerics and in some cases veno with herc. It depends what role you wanna play.
yes!! exactly
i luv doing fb's and concerning the cleric being the one who keeps the squad alive is good for me and with my barb being the one who takes aggro off my squad is also good enuf for me b:thanksb:victory 0 -
5 posts o.o
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I was going to say that.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ugh, don't remind me. I was paired with a horrid veno one night. I pulled the first FB69 boss and apparently she wanted to prove her worth or whatever. We're discussing if we have tabs for the last two bosses (were doing the wheel quest) and she comes luring the boss while we are all discussing things causing a partywipe. Then in FB79 she lures a mob instead of the boss... And ended the night with luring both Linus and the other boss. Luckily I was able to grab the other boss and knock 2/3rds off of it by the rest of the party was able to down Linus. I wanted nothing to do with her after all those screwups. We all make mistakes once in a while but to make that many and not apologize for a single one?
Lol, too bad you're on a pve server and couldn't kill her after the fb b:chuckle0 -
You know... You can buy the Herc with ingame money. It'll just take longer. And use the multiquote-button.0
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TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »venos are the easy mode of the game
I wish i could be a barb and be on every world boss hunt/tt and get first pick and rebirth my **** off for crazy fast levelling WHEN IT MATTERS later ingame,have it easy in pvp where its possible to tank a gang of pkers and their extended families oh and be extremely sarcastic and hatefull to those nasty venos because i'd be butthurt that they can reflect some of my melee damage and take away my precious overpowered hp buff :OQuit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet0 -
i have a venno myself (lvl 56)
i am fairly bord with it, even tho its easy to lvl and make money, ii like a chalange
full attack clerics are a challange and fun o pk with and ppl do call me a noob for having lvl 1 res, and lower heal but its ok i can 1 shot them
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HxC_Cherry - Lost City wrote: »i have a venno myself (lvl 56)
i am fairly bord with it, even tho its easy to lvl and make money, ii like a chalange
full attack clerics are a challange and fun o pk with and ppl do call me a noob for having lvl 1 res, and lower heal but its ok i can 1 shot them
clerics are my fav even tho they have bad mana upkeep >_<
You have FAC on Lost City.You must be the most wanted Cleric on that server.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
When I first started PWI I played an archer. However after some in game drama I desided to reroll with a veno. And I must say it has been worth it. However it all depends on the person.0
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You keep posting stuff like this with absolutely nothing to back it up. Let's look at the top 50 level rankings for the servers, shall we?TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »venos are the easy mode of the game
PvP servers (Lost City + Harshlands)- 27 Archer (18+9)
- 10 Barbarian (5+5)
- 13 Blademaster (5+8)
- 14 Cleric (9+5)
- 25 Venomancer (7+18)
- 11 Wizard (6+5)
PvE servers (HT + Sanctuary + Dreamweaver)- 30 (20.0%) Archer (11+12+7)
- 14 (9.3%) Barbarian (2+5+7)
- 26 (17.3%) Blademaster (8+9+9)
- 30 (20.0%) Cleric (11+8+11)
- 35 (23.2%) Venomancer (11+12+12)
- 15 (10%) Wizard (7+4+4)
Now look at people's responses to "what class are you" polls:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=5912
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2552
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=182
Sum them together (you generally shouldn't do this since there will be duplicate entries, but we've got small samples so take what we can get), and you get:- 49 (17.1%) Archer
- 26 (9.1%) Barbarian
- 46 (16.0%) Blademaster
- 45 (15.7%) Cleric
- 77 (26.8%) Venomancer
- 44 (15.3%) Wizard
Now find the ratio between these to sets of numbers to rank how easy it is to get each class to a high level. i.e. If all classes were perfectly balanced at leveling, the popularity of each class would exactly match their proportion of appearances in the top-50 level lists, and all ratios would be 1. A ratio above 1 indicates the class is easier to level than average (over-represented in the top-50 level lists), a ratio below 1 indicates the class is harder to level than average (under-represented in the top-50 level lists).
PvP- 1.58 Archer
- 1.10 Barbarian
- 0.93 Venomancer
- 0.89 Cleric
- 0.81 Blademaster
- 0.72 Wizard
PvE- 1.27 Cleric
- 1.17 Archer
- 1.08 Blademaster
- 1.02 Barbarian
- 0.87 Venomancer
- 0.65 Wizard
Aggregate- 1.33 Archer
- 1.12 Cleric
- 1.05 Barbarian
- 0.97 Blademaster
- 0.89 Venomancer
- 0.68 Wizard
There you have it. The venomancer would appear to be one of the hardest classes to get to a high level.
The misperception of the veno as an easy class is probably due to people who only play it in the early to mid levels, where their solo ability shines. As you get to the higher levels, the group-friendly classes pull ahead in their ability to gain exp. So much so that they pass up the venos who formerly outleveled them.0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »The misperception of the veno as an easy class is probably due to people who only play it in the early to mid levels, where their solo ability shines. As you get to the higher levels, the group-friendly classes pull ahead in their ability to gain exp. So much so that they pass up the venos who formerly outleveled them.
Just a small side note, Solandri. What if someone happens to be a group friendly Veno? One known for being reliable, effective, and a fun player to be around? My EXP gain rate has actually shot up since I got to the level where I could accomplish Gamma. All of my party mates know that I'll hold my own in there, and in fact, I can't even log in for 2 minutes without getting PMs from at least 3 different people asking for a Gamma run. Now, excluding that attribute from the game, yes, you are correct in saying that Venos do shine in the beginning, but near the later areas, dwindle to more of a twinkle. Still... There are some times I wish I could be one of the 3 classes who can AFK 80% of Gamma... Talk about your easy classes...0 -
ask urself why we are that required and how many players have the patience to build a barb :PMentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »I wish i could be a barb and be on every world boss hunt/tt and get first pick and rebirth my **** off for crazy fast levelling WHEN IT MATTERS later ingame,have it easy in pvp where its possible to tank a gang of pkers and their extended families oh and be extremely sarcastic and hatefull to those nasty venos because i'd be butthurt that they can reflect some of my melee damage and take away my precious overpowered hp buff :O
are u freaking kidding me, venos after 90+ do rebirths exactly like everyone else and level like everyone else there's no point in saying that they are harder to level at endgameSolandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »You keep posting stuff like this with absolutely nothing to back it up. Let's look at the top 50 level rankings for the servers, shall we?
PvP servers (Lost City + Harshlands)- 27 Archer (18+9)
- 10 Barbarian (5+5)
- 13 Blademaster (5+8)
- 14 Cleric (9+5)
- 25 Venomancer (7+18)
- 11 Wizard (6+5)
PvE servers (HT + Sanctuary + Dreamweaver)- 30 (20.0%) Archer (11+12+7)
- 14 (9.3%) Barbarian (2+5+7)
- 26 (17.3%) Blademaster (8+9+9)
- 30 (20.0%) Cleric (11+8+11)
- 35 (23.2%) Venomancer (11+12+12)
- 15 (10%) Wizard (7+4+4)
Now look at people's responses to "what class are you" polls:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=5912
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2552
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=182
Sum them together (you generally shouldn't do this since there will be duplicate entries, but we've got small samples so take what we can get), and you get:- 49 (17.1%) Archer
- 26 (9.1%) Barbarian
- 46 (16.0%) Blademaster
- 45 (15.7%) Cleric
- 77 (26.8%) Venomancer
- 44 (15.3%) Wizard
Now find the ratio between these to sets of numbers to rank how easy it is to get each class to a high level. i.e. If all classes were perfectly balanced at leveling, the popularity of each class would exactly match their proportion of appearances in the top-50 level lists, and all ratios would be 1. A ratio above 1 indicates the class is easier to level than average (over-represented in the top-50 level lists), a ratio below 1 indicates the class is harder to level than average (under-represented in the top-50 level lists).
PvP- 1.58 Archer
- 1.10 Barbarian
- 0.93 Venomancer
- 0.89 Cleric
- 0.81 Blademaster
- 0.72 Wizard
PvE- 1.27 Cleric
- 1.17 Archer
- 1.08 Blademaster
- 1.02 Barbarian
- 0.87 Venomancer
- 0.65 Wizard
Aggregate- 1.33 Archer
- 1.12 Cleric
- 1.05 Barbarian
- 0.97 Blademaster
- 0.89 Venomancer
- 0.68 Wizard
There you have it. The venomancer would appear to be one of the hardest classes to get to a high level.
The misperception of the veno as an easy class is probably due to people who only play it in the early to mid levels, where their solo ability shines. As you get to the higher levels, the group-friendly classes pull ahead in their ability to gain exp. So much so that they pass up the venos who formerly outleveled them.
the forum polls aren't trustable, I personally switched 5 avatars and voted 5 times in a poll just for fun so I don't see how can they be trustable dude, seriously
where did u get that ratio level table cuz I see 90+ venos everywhere, the point may be that there are so many venos - mind that many venos are other ppl's alts - that they don't get all to high level... but still I can clearly see how they outnumber us
as a final thought, yes, I think venos are overpowered before 90+ and they are still hard opponents for many classes after 90+ and they also have basically the same ways and opportunities as everyone else to level... they can even solo Blackhole Devourer for the 90+ OHT quest lol
to anwser something u said real fast:Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »They are the easy mode of the game if they work harder?
I have been thinking about this, and: venos typically grind slower than archers (or wizards and clerics when they do not have mana regen issues) except maybe in lower levels where this speed difference can not be noticed. And, to make up for this, they can safely defeat some difficult monsters which are near their own level or easy monsters which are much higher level than them. But really difficult monsters require cleric+barbarian teams.
So... they do some things better than other people but they need help for other things.
And... for making money... damage dealers usually have repair costs which roughly match their coin drops and which are a tiny fraction of the npc sale price of their dq drops. The only real advantage I can see for venos, in money gathering, is that if they are levelling their pets they are forced to be making money where other people can skip this annoying activity if they want .
Finally... have you ever played a veno? Venos have all sorts of things which can not be put in macros. Some important actions apparently can not even be done with their keyboard (like: put pet in follow mode or in halt mode).
harder ? explain
venos can do solo AOE party, can fish at 80+ better than everyone else without burning a wallet, can lure at zhens better than a bm and they can also tank more mobs than a barb sometimes (does someone here remember the elite 19 wolfs quest ? was impossible for every class but u can them with a golem LOL)
venos are the class that gets the most amount of cash from grinding, and killing mobs is 80% of the game
I played a veno but I didn't get her to high levels cuz I hated that class from the first very moments cuz it didn't give me the challenge that a barb or a cleric (or a wizard xD) gave me... what I know is what I see and learned from other venos[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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