Essential Sutra Combination

sentient23
sentient23 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Wizard
Hey :)

I'm doin' a pure arcane wiz. He's lvl 52 atm and I'm really looking forward to the skills @lvl 59.

Now I've got one question about Essential Sutra: Is there any combination that has proofed itself to be really good (or different ones)? Are you using macros for the skill? How many skills can be cast during the 6 seconds time?

Hope you can help me out! Ah, and thanks for the great guides, helped me a lot!

Regards,

Erik
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Popular combination is something along the lines of

    Divine Pyro - Sandstorm - Glacial Snare/Stone Rain - Divine Pyro

    But it depends on how laggy you are, putting glacial snare in there doesn't work for me, so I use stone rain or pyrogram. You can get about 4 spells off if you do it right. And no, it doesn't work well with a macro.
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited August 2009
    5 hits:

    divine > blazing > gush > divine > any skill you want

    it has to be done in that order, you can put the first 4 skills in a combo; but the 5th skill has to be done manually.
  • sentient23
    sentient23 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Hmm, so gotta lvl Divine Pyrogram? Cause it's lvl1 at the moment, found it rather useless till now.. And I'm low on Spirit. But well, got some time left till 59 anyway.

    What's the problem with using macros? Is it faster manually?

    And what's "Blazing"? Didn't find a spell that fits..

    Thanks for the replies! And sorry for the tons of questions.. ._.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited August 2009
    macro is known to bug and not always work, so it's not the best idea to rely on them.

    blazing = lower level divine
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    prof wrote: »
    5 hits:

    divine > blazing > gush > divine > any skill you want

    it has to be done in that order, you can put the first 4 skills in a combo; but the 5th skill has to be done manually.

    translation
    divine pyrogram > pyrogram > gush > divine pyrogram > any skill

    my favorite is
    divine pyrogram > sandstorm > stone rain > glacial snare
    pretty high dps in 6 seconds
    do not use this on bosses
    you will steal aggro especially with a crits
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Popular combination is something along the lines of

    Divine Pyro - Sandstorm - Glacial Snare/Stone Rain - Divine Pyro

    But it depends on how laggy you are, putting glacial snare in there doesn't work for me, so I use stone rain or pyrogram. You can get about 4 spells off if you do it right. And no, it doesn't work well with a macro.

    every time i do sandstorm+GS+anyother skill i dotn even reach the 4th skill =(
    GS must be used as the 4th skill to work
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  • Synthetic - Harshlands
    Synthetic - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    make ur macro the 4 skills u want to use, hit sutra then the macro
  • Phsyco - Lost City
    Phsyco - Lost City Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Divine Pyro --> Sandstorm --> Divine Pyro --> Glacial
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    The basics of a good sutra combo is looking at the 'Cast' time as that's what will determine how many spells you can pack into your 6 secs. Cram in as many quick cast skills as possible ending with a high powered long casting skill at the end (e.g.Sandstorm and Glacial Snare).
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  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Playing from the UK so mine goes

    Divine pyro -> Sandstorm -> Divine pyro -> Glacial Snare

    works 90% of the time, other 10% I **** up my clicking.
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Playing from the UK so mine goes

    Divine pyro -> Sandstorm -> Divine pyro -> Glacial Snare

    works 90% of the time, other 10% I **** up my clicking.

    no

    best combo is

    Sutra>Divine>Pyro>Gush>Divine>Snare/Sandstorm depending on ur situation

    best DD macro

    below lv 8x pure or if you are a hybrid/light below 9x
    Gush>Pyro repeat
    at or above 8x and pure or at or above high 9x hybrid/light
    Gush>Crown>Gush>Pit repeat
  • Phsyco - Lost City
    Phsyco - Lost City Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Playing from the UK so mine goes

    Divine pyro -> Sandstorm -> Divine pyro -> Glacial Snare

    works 90% of the time, other 10% I **** up my clicking.

    hotkeys ftw
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Gush>Crown>Gush>Pit repeat
    Uhm.


    No.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    it depends... which spells do you upgrade regularly? what about masteries?

    for instance, my divine pyrogram is lvl1 even now. using it during sutra would be a waste for the poor dmg...
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  • Phsyco - Lost City
    Phsyco - Lost City Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    upgrade it?
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  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    D.pyro>gush>pyro>D.pyro>Glacial/SS
    this gives you the most damage possible in a sutra combo.
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Would "Sutra>Divine>pyro>gush>divine>bids" work?

    BTW i never used macro i will try wiht macro but isnt macro slower than fast clicking on skills, i always find macro lagging allk the time...
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  • ay4
    ay4 Posts: 1
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Would "Sutra>Divine>pyro>gush>divine>bids" work?

    BTW i never used macro i will try wiht macro but isnt macro slower than fast clicking on skills, i always find macro lagging allk the time...


    i think it works. once you are casting the last spell, even if sutra ends you cast it without chantingtime.
  • Zetarana - Heavens Tear
    Zetarana - Heavens Tear Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    it depends... which spells do you upgrade regularly? what about masteries?

    Yes, what about masteries, when should you upgrade those and is there a preferential order to it?

    Also I noticed no one used FoW in any of those strings of spells.
    Why not?

    Thanks for any clarifications...
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Sutra>DP>MS>SS>anything else. Ok so you need 399 chi for this b:surrender i tried, or 299 chi + spark pot b:surrender
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Hmm, I think FoW would be a waste of time, cause it channels in 0.5 sec anyway. And most enemies should be dead after such a combination anyway.. But just guessing.

    Masteries would interest me as well, I didn't rise any of them till now. 2% just didn't sound worth the spirit as long as I got so many other spells to rise.

    Thanks for the cool combinations, gonna try them ou ASAP.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    masteries you can postpone them until u can get at least lvl 5, which is pretty much your lvl now. 10% increase in dmg I'm telling u, will make a difference.
    Start with the earth masteries, u will do some grinding at water mobs for a good while, then in the 60s raise the fire, u will grind/justice in swamp on metal/water mobs.
    Although masteries are not cheap, it's cheaper not to get hit that having to repair/pot because u need 1 more hit to kill something.
    And 1 advice: get some **** ornamets with channeling on them.Makes all the diff in the world.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    you use sutra to cut off channel but you still have cast time. check your skill descriptions.. you'll notice divine pyrogram has 3 second channel but 1 to cast being a great deal to use with sutra. force of will it quite the opposite, having 0.5s to channel but 2 seonds to cast. in other words, if you cast force of will during sutra you'll have taken 1.5s.
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  • Zetarana - Heavens Tear
    Zetarana - Heavens Tear Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ^^ Okay thanks, I knew there would be a logical reason for it.
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  • Zetarana - Heavens Tear
    Zetarana - Heavens Tear Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    masteries you can postpone them until u can get at least lvl 5, which is pretty much your lvl now. 10% increase in dmg I'm telling u, will make a difference.
    Start with the earth masteries, u will do some grinding at water mobs for a good while, then in the 60s raise the fire, u will grind/justice in swamp on metal/water mobs.
    Although masteries are not cheap, it's cheaper not to get hit that having to repair/pot because u need 1 more hit to kill something.
    And 1 advice: get some **** ornamets with channeling on them.Makes all the diff in the world.

    So you suggest leveling them in groups of 5, starting with Earth then Fire.

    My Mage is 61 right now. I could use the extra damage bonus... if it means the difference between 3 hits to 4 then it is worth it.

    THX
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Just flying to arch, see what I can afford. Gonna do some sharks, so earth is the choice anyway. Wanted to get Wellspring Quaff from 4 to 5 for sutra, but there are some levels left. Need to get Emberstorm as well. Such a lot of Spirit needed. ._."
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  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Need to get Emberstorm as well. Such a lot of Spirit needed. ._."

    Erm, lol?

    ......
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  • woyaa
    woyaa Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Divine Pyrogram>Sandstorm>Divine Pyrogram>Glacial Snare
    (1 Second>1.5 Seconds>1 Second>1.8 Seconds)
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    "Erm, lol?

    ...... "

    Well, I'm constantly lacking spirit. And because my health is not particularly good anyway I decided to wait some time to get emberstorm instead of learning it at 49.
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Uhm.


    No.

    it works srs

    as you get higher lv the added dmg becomes less and less significant because ur base dmg gets higher




    using my macro
    Pit>Gush>Crown>Gush repeat
    4x base magic
    1x weapon dmg
    7986.3 flat dmg
    3012.9 crown
    3600.8 pit
    1372.6 gush

    takes 8 seconds

    using normal
    Gush>Pyro
    2x base magic dmg
    2x wep dmg
    2752.6 flat dmg

    Takes 4.3 seconds to cast but 6 seconds in reality cuz of cooldown


    my macro waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better
    especially if u go sage...
    go try it kris

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