Pking solo: Archer or Mage?

Angeldemono - Sanctuary · September 2009

i gtta say wizzy's got the upper hand in pvp cuz i get killed by em a lot but cleric if they r strong enough r good to cuz i c a lot of noob clerics that when u hit em they heal and run

hiddenpower · November 2009

OMG archer vs wiz there is hell no way that archer can kill wiz.only if they are hiding and shooting arrows like noobs.b:chuckle
mag can kill archers like 2 hits that what i did today b:victory
he was 5lvls higher but he underestimated me no one can mess with me only noobs b:laugh .
if u wanna plzy like a noob say hello to my best friend lvl 100 well im lvl 80 lol.
GL trying to kill me. im not red name xD. when im lvl 100 ur ALL DEAD b:sinb

_Miku_ - Lost City · November 2009

o-o
would a mage>nix veno endgame like how mage>archers endgame or is nix veno>mage

Boojangles - Lost City · November 2009

ok take it from some one whoes pvped not only at high lvls but in his 30s and on a pvp server. Archers and mages r both good IF you know what ur doing. Mages r harder to play because u need to learn how to kite well. if u cant ur dead. mages sux low lvl

Devoted - Lost City · November 2009

_Miku_ - Lost City wrote: »

o-o
would a mage>nix veno endgame like how mage>archers endgame or is nix veno>mage

a good mage can **** a veno. especially since they can 2 hit your pet, knock it back and seal it. without a nix you aren't out dding a mg's charm.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

a good mage can **** a veno. especially since they can 2 hit your pet, knock it back and seal it. without a nix you aren't out dding a mg's charm.

+1

10characters

TigerLily - Lost City · November 2009

_Miku_ - Lost City wrote: »

o-o
would a mage>nix veno endgame like how mage>archers endgame or is nix veno>mage

Lol lvl 100 wiz can just 1 shoot the veno and the nix in 1 aoe <.<

Both archers and venos are jailbaits for 99+ wizards unless they backstab b:surrender

Abide - Harshlands · November 2009

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

In general discussion i've posted SS of 90 veno with perfect wood attack shards, and it's only one example of highlvl noob that i've seen in pw.

On 7X, good cleric hits hard. What's going to change on 90? Keep in mind that magick attack of cleric is equal to that of mage, and most skills are very similar.

Dude wth Clerics are not equal to that of mage. thats just stupid if thats the case u cud make a cleric hit like a wizard and heal yourself thats so eh w/e

Quizenbort - Dreamweaver · November 2009

If have the means to get really good gear. Just go archer. If you spec a demon archer right and you like ganking ... there is nothing better.

agaisnt lvl 100s with self buffs you will do 5-12k crts deamon sparked normal attack vs robes and the same damage to other classes useing mental skills.

Your crt rate will be roughly 46% and your range will be about 14m with accuracy around 8500 (you will almost never miss)

For robes by the time they see the first shot them, your .8 attack rate will have fired 2-3 more shots.. dead.

BM and Barb.. pray for crt, or grab the lunar debuff bow and make quick work of their defences

kimikiyo · November 2009

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

take a veno and a Nix, that way u can pk and pwn without pay much

are you kidding? nix can cost up to $200+ of REAL money and the availablility to buy in-game is so limited you could almost reach end game before you have enough feathers. I know on harshlands the buy price is as much as 8k per feather (9999 x 8000 you do the math)

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

kimikiyo wrote: »

are you kidding? nix can cost up to $200+ of REAL money and the availablility to buy in-game is so limited you could almost reach end game before you have enough feathers. I know on harshlands the buy price is as much as 8k per feather (9999 x 8000 you do the math)

Any idea where I can get the phoenix "without paying much" he was talking about?

Alexeno - Sanctuary · November 2009

1st off: this is at least a double necro

2nd:

archer > wizzie (until endgame)

endgame sage PURE-mag wizzie > all other classes (except maybe a perdi-build barb)

i say this from -cough-experience-cough- ...... simple fact is, said endgame sage pure-mag wizzie by far exceeds all other classes for pure unmitigated damage per hit. not sure about DPS versus archer, but DPS means [almost] nothing in fights that last less than 10 seconds (hell, i **** pure-dex archers of similar level with GS>SS>DP>triplespark>2sparkpot>tempest)

_xXRoXaSXx_ - Heavens Tear · November 2009

This is a thread about Archers & Mages so i really don't know why you people keep bringing up barbs.First of all,there is NO SUCH THING as a "Best" or "Better"
class it just depends on how you build your character and how well you use it.
a cleric and a barb the same lvl can pvp against each other and it is possible for the cleric to win if he/she actuall knows what he/she is doing.only thing that decides the winner of a PVP between an Archer or Cleric/Wizard is how good you use the class's
specialty. Archer Vs. Veno is however a different subject because of the fact that its basically 2v1 here.Archer probably have to kite the pet and get out of the veno's range to avoid getting analy ****......by two things at the same time

Arroweye - Heavens Tear · November 2009

I think its hilarious that most of these posts are from carebear heaven's tear people... (Heaven's tear FTW b:laugh )

But yeah.

I've talked to alot of barbs about this (you guys might not agree)

Pure Archer pwns 1-60

Vit Barb pwns 1-60

Wizzy sucks till 79+

BM = to Archer but archer sorta surpasses them at 60.

Venos... unless you have a nix you have no reaosn to go into pk. you'll get slaughtered.

Clerics suck at pvp because its a difficult class to pk with. the ones that know how to do it are pretty freakin amazing though.

Arroweye - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

1st off: this is at least a double necro

2nd:

archer > wizzie (until endgame)

endgame sage PURE-mag wizzie > all other classes (except maybe a perdi-build barb)

i say this from -cough-experience-cough- ...... simple fact is, said endgame sage pure-mag wizzie by far exceeds all other classes for pure unmitigated damage per hit. not sure about DPS versus archer, but DPS means [almost] nothing in fights that last less than 10 seconds (hell, i **** pure-dex archers of similar level with GS>SS>DP>triplespark>2sparkpot>tempest)

I tihnk you mixed up your < and >? xD

just imagine its like an alligator, the alligator wants to eat the squishiest thing

Asperitas - Lost City · November 2009

No, I don't think she mixed up her greater and less than signs. End-game mages are not very squishy at all.

SneakyStalk - Harshlands · November 2009

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

clerics destory everything? rofl thats funny. they have sh1tty damage output compared to every class.

your a funny man.

Clearly this man needs to fight Ascii b:bye

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Joshcja - Sanctuary · November 2009

if its wizzies vs archers for endgame well...wizzies duh

clerics are tricky to use...so are bm's their the 2 classes that realy HAVE to time everything just right but a well piloted cleric scares me more than any class in pwi....

in response to the bm = archer...lets rephrase that

vit build axe bm < archer

hybrid build bm = archer till 77 then is > than archer

high dex bm (3:2 or 5:2:1 builds) > archer

good news for you archers is that verry few bm's take the multi weapon path

this is asuming = skill level and = gears

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2009

axe bms have weaknesses against archers...especially in the air. a bm that can switch to spear poses a much greater threat

Gyakusatsu - Sanctuary · December 2009

It really depends on how you play... but if you were (theoretically) equally good at all classes, I would say archer would be the best at pk. Archers crit like mad... and they sort of snipe you from some weird place, and if they keep hit and running, with their speed (fastest base speed), bms and barbs have trouble catching up and getting them in range to get a hit. BMs do have cloud sprint, and barbs can go tiger, but if it goes aerial, barbs lose that speed-boost advantage, and cloud sprint doesn't last very long and if the archer runs in hard-to-predict directions, cloud sprint would probably wear out before you get enough hits on the archer to kill them. Venos barely catch up with archers in speed, but the typical arcane (even survival arcane) veno has bad physical defense, so they would get crushed pretty quickly... and they would get constantly interrupted by the volley of arrows. The problem with any mage class is we take forever to cast =_=" and the physical classes keep interrupting the spells. It's true that they're better at endgame... but there's no point in being able to 1 shot a bm if he's going to tear you to bits with interruptions before you can get the hit in...

T.T I stress THEORETICALLY <=== so don't rip me to pieces. Just because you're an archer doesn't mean you'll be a pk-monster. Just because you're a veno doesn't mean you'll get totally slaughtered. I know a veno who's built like a monster and pks just as terrifyingly... and venos are meant to be BAD at pk because we're so pet-reliant 0_0"

This is, of course, if the people in pk are of similar level and have the same level of armour. Level 100 of any class pawns any lvl 50 anyday XD

Jaufree - Sanctuary · December 2009

Archers can really kill any class. They got both phy and magic attacks.
So oviously you have to use your phys on casters and the metal attacks on barbs and BMs. The only real challenge for me as an archer are most barbs due to thier high hp, If archers dont crit its hard to kill barbs unless you have a cleric helping you do add extra metal.
-Jaufree from Sanctuary

Jaufree - Sanctuary · December 2009

But dont get me wrong, Archers have very little defence, if you play good as a different class you can surely kill archers

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

axe bms have weaknesses against archers...especially in the air.

And that's why PW God gave us True Emptiness. b:thanks

Kniraven - Lost City · December 2009

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And that's why PW God gave us True Emptiness. b:thanks

qft b:shyb:pleased

XxIfritxX - Lost City · December 2009

LoL why most ppl think all Barb. gonna miss b:chuckle

hehehehe...a Lv 90 Archer learned that a week ago hehehehe

Joshcja - Sanctuary · December 2009

TE ish WIN thank u pwi devsb:thanks

2+50% acc rings and demon BB 4k acc on a barb

thats about a 1/3 hit% on high dex builds

Lilxifire - Harshlands · December 2009

Gyakusatsu - Sanctuary wrote: »

It really depends on how you play... but if you were (theoretically) equally good at all classes, I would say archer would be the best at pk. Archers crit like mad... and they sort of snipe you from some weird place, and if they keep hit and running, with their speed (fastest base speed), bms and barbs have trouble catching up and getting them in range to get a hit. BMs do have cloud sprint, and barbs can go tiger, but if it goes aerial, barbs lose that speed-boost advantage, and cloud sprint doesn't last very long and if the archer runs in hard-to-predict directions, cloud sprint would probably wear out before you get enough hits on the archer to kill them. Venos barely catch up with archers in speed, but the typical arcane (even survival arcane) veno has bad physical defense, so they would get crushed pretty quickly... and they would get constantly interrupted by the volley of arrows. The problem with any mage class is we take forever to cast =_=" and the physical classes keep interrupting the spells. It's true that they're better at endgame... but there's no point in being able to 1 shot a bm if he's going to tear you to bits with interruptions before you can get the hit in...

T.T I stress THEORETICALLY <=== so don't rip me to pieces. Just because you're an archer doesn't mean you'll be a pk-monster. Just because you're a veno doesn't mean you'll get totally slaughtered. I know a veno who's built like a monster and pks just as terrifyingly... and venos are meant to be BAD at pk because we're so pet-reliant 0_0"

This is, of course, if the people in pk are of similar level and have the same level of armour. Level 100 of any class pawns any lvl 50 anyday XD

Well where I am 'harshlands' an archer really doesn't stand a chance vs a veno, Venos rule PvP really.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Personally I'd choose the Wizard because I love caster classes.

Personal preferences aside I'd still use the Wizard. When used correctly a Wizard's attacks are devastating, you just need to know what combos to use on which opponents and be able to adjust to different situations. Wizards can also have very good physical defense when sharded right and Stone Barrier adds even more to their pdef. Along with good refines, the combo of good shards, a good barrier, player skill, adaptibility, and the use of the correct build a Wizard can dominate in PvP. Then again that all depends on the user, like I said the Wizard is something I really only want to use because of my love for casters, if you want to use an Archer go for it.

Gyakusatsu - Sanctuary · December 2009

Hm... really? I know venos get ripped to pieces here in Sanctuary =_=" well most venos without a nix usually get torn to pieces... (all the venos I know get flattened by BMs their own level... and sometimes lower =_=") haven't seen many with nix fighting people their own level in pk. Whenever I see a veno with a nix, they're usually lvl 90+ and all there is left is a scene of massacre XD (then again when any lvl 90+ barges through a mob of lvl 40-70s... it usually is a scene of massacre)

Lilxifire, elaborate... I want to know what happens in Harshlands >=D

Joshcja - Sanctuary · December 2009

dont count on a nix autokilling bm's

ha = bugged bleed fails

personaly i love the HF + TE on nixes and it dosent hurt that their guiding veno is wonderfully amped as well

Pking solo: Archer or Mage?

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