whats are main role in tt

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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i still like my squad >_>
    kris is a l-l/\T3R b:cool
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • LoneCub - Heavens Tear
    LoneCub - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    uh my eyes hurt from the noobness...
    Why are high level wizards defaming their class,got me puzzled here.
    U say classes are worthless in TT - half of them,i strongly advise u to run with a squad of three since wiz, bm,archer are pointless to have.
    As poinless human i can tank 1-1,1-2,1-3 exept for drum,2-1 exept for clone n ape.So far while runnin with secondary tank noone in group regret it and runs where faster.
    You talk about sharptooth arrow,hmm actualy any archer here that knows how this skill is used?!?Fire it in beggining of a boss- all party dead.It needs careful damage calibration so most archers don't use it.
    Veno CANNOT tank all bosses in TT unless maybe its a veno squad,its main role is to pull,since genie pull doesn't work anymore.
    And im realy bored of this prestige classes thingy.Go run with no DDs.
    I have partied with wiz 80+ many times,its very good to have around.With decent gear(TT80gold)wiz is no squishier than archer.
    Archer over wizard i can think only of a single case and its rebirth due to the genie skill archers get - can barrage and stun mobs at same time.
    If you 80-90lvl wizzys cant find place in TT run its well bad for you,good luck getting ur 90/99 lvl gear.And please skip this allpowerfull veno thingy,it tastes bad.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ignore Kristoph, she's been PMSing since the 8x's.
    Currently flying internet spaceships around dodixie, moving to amarr soon.

    Send me a mail if you wanna ask/request anything

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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    LoneCub - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You talk about sharptooth arrow,hmm actualy any archer here that knows how this skill is used?!?Fire it in beggining of a boss- all party dead.It needs careful damage calibration so most archers don't use it.
    Veno CANNOT tank all bosses in TT unless maybe its a veno squad,its main role is to pull,since genie pull doesn't work anymore.
    With decent gear(TT80gold)wiz is no squishier than archer.
    All of the above makes you look like a ****. That and your spelling.


    Defaming our class? More like knowing what we're good at. Wizards are not needed and have no specific use for anything inside of TT, period. Stop giving lowbie wizards wrong information.


    And don't even bring up how easy you can get into TT runs. It generally is easy since a half decent guild will help you farm gear regardless of your class. Why? Because wizards can be extremely helpful to have for certain things. But not TT.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ignore Kristoph, she's been PMSing since the 8x's.

    now i understand...b:chuckle
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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    LoneCub - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    uh my eyes hurt from the noobness...
    Why are high level wizards defaming their class,got me puzzled here.
    U say classes are worthless in TT - half of them,i strongly advise u to run with a squad of three since wiz, bm,archer are pointless to have.
    As poinless human i can tank 1-1,1-2,1-3 exept for drum,2-1 exept for clone n ape.So far while runnin with secondary tank noone in group regret it and runs where faster.
    You talk about sharptooth arrow,hmm actualy any archer here that knows how this skill is used?!?Fire it in beggining of a boss- all party dead.It needs careful damage calibration so most archers don't use it.
    Veno CANNOT tank all bosses in TT unless maybe its a veno squad,its main role is to pull,since genie pull doesn't work anymore.
    And im realy bored of this prestige classes thingy.Go run with no DDs.
    I have partied with wiz 80+ many times,its very good to have around.With decent gear(TT80gold)wiz is no squishier than archer.
    Archer over wizard i can think only of a single case and its rebirth due to the genie skill archers get - can barrage and stun mobs at same time.
    If you 80-90lvl wizzys cant find place in TT run its well bad for you,good luck getting ur 90/99 lvl gear.And please skip this allpowerfull veno thingy,it tastes bad.

    I'm speechless due to all the stupidity being emitted by this post. I usually don't flame people for being ****, but you took the cake. In terms of survivability Archers have alot HIGHER advantage then mages, period. They can replace mages in TT, period. Mages have NO ROLE in TT, besides the one I stated in my previous post, PERIOD. What kind of ****ing archer doesnt use sharptooth in 3-x?

    Sorry to break it to ya, sure we can produce high damage; we can also get one shotted by virtually anything that moves in there. TT 90 is no walk in the park for mages, but I still got my gear because of my well organized and maintained guild. And ya, thanks for mentioning a solo veno cannot do every boss in HH, we kind of already figured that out.

    For crying out loud, a archers evasion buff seems more usefull then our glowing piece of ****.
    Don't get me wrong im not degrading my class in any means, I would rather be a mage then any other class; but in terms of TT - mages are a nono, or a last resort.
  • LoneCub - Heavens Tear
    LoneCub - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    "Make friends with a veno and ask her to farm mats for you" best suggestion ever.
    Barb,cleric,veno is 90% of squad if no second cleric required,rest is fill.Wizard can't be part of that fill?
    Archer's DPS with normal attacks is not what makes him good.With higher lvls they become more reliant on crits than most as common and skill damage degrades, its been pointed out many times,main reason for archers to go pure dex or close to pure and loose all hybrid builds.Actually highest DPS with normals have bms.
    Don't tell me you have no means to do better damage,you just don't want to in order to minimize the run costs.
    Evade buff is good only for its speed ad for nonarchers,other classes don't have the high dex to make a real difference.I have 1550 base evade,buffed non misses me still.
    Frost blade is good for melees during longer fights,why scrap it so easy?
    The arcanes i run with don't get single shotted, maybe its just them..
    This desired classes thingy is made up and supported by greedy brats.I once asked a barb why he would have more mats than healer that kept him alive,"Because i tanked.", he said.Your statements only fuel this more..
    A 63 lvl barb killed crimson for me,also barb did mantavip,i've seen archers tank world bosses,common a wizzy posted her pic pulling a catapult cart, why force this pattern thinking?
    Calling me stupid and **** doesn't add argument,if u get the means of what i say is good enough for me,would be pointless to say u wont ever type or say a sentence in my language.
    Sorry for the long post, wont happen everagainb:bye
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I'm going to get LoneClub is a troll account, but either way I have no idea what the **** he/she's saying.


    Actually highest DPS with normals have bms. < what?
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm going to get LoneClub is a troll account, but either way I have no idea what the **** he/she's saying.


    Actually highest DPS with normals have bms. < what?

    BMs have the higest DPS with normal hits.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, let me see if I understand this properly... Archers normal attacks out DPS Wizards skill attacks
    This is not proved yet. When i compared it on private server (both 85lvl, same cheap equipment), i did not noticed any significant difference; also, one 9X archer confirmed that his DPS is not higher that wizard's. Anyways, if you want best DPS in TT, both archers and wizards are screwed by any DD pet.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, let me see if I understand this properly... Archers normal attacks out DPS Wizards skill attacks, for example, in TT. And, Blademasters normal attacks beat Archer's?

    So... Wizard DPS must be utterly third rate?

    b:cry

    no no no no no
    we are talking about NORMAL attacks not skills
    so a BM slashing something and an archer using normal hits
    BM > Archer

    when it comes to skills
    Wizard/Archer > BM
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    skills:wiz>archer>bm

    normal atk:bm>archer>barb>veno/cleric/wiz


    bm wiht claws is painfull in pvp b:shocked

    they switch weapon for stun and then they put claws for dps.i had see they switch beetwen pike(ranged stun type) to claws/fist(dps)
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  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    normal atk:bm>archer>barb>veno/cleric/wiz
    Err... cleric and wizard do not have normal attack. How can you compare it?
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    lol @ BMs outdamaging archers
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »
    Err... cleric and wizard do not have normal attack. How can you compare it?
    We do, double click something you will normal attack it, only thing is you will be hitting 100's on it XD
    Quit.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    lol @ BMs outdamaging archers

    dont underestimate a BM, you will regret it....
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    BMs don't outdamage archers, unless the level/gear difference is ridiculous, lol. And before you throw the word "fist" around, Archers have -interval gear and slingshots etc available too.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    BMs don't outdamage archers, unless the level/gear difference is ridiculous, lol. And before you throw the word "fist" around, Archers have -interval gear and slingshots etc available too.

    yeh, yeh....thats why i saw yesterday a archer wiht fist dpsing on the boss b:chuckle
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeh, yeh....thats why i saw yesterday a archer wiht fist dpsing on the boss b:chuckle
    A lot of archers do that for fun actually. Especially the 89+ ones, so they can demon spark without taking agro. That's how much stronger they are than BMs/Wizards.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    A lot of archers do that for fun actually. Especially the 89+ ones, so they can demon spark without taking agro. That's how much stronger they are than BMs/Wizards.
    That's how you are underestimating fist weapon. I did know one crazy bm... LA fist fulldex build. He complained VERY much at barbs who cant keep agro from him.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »
    That's how you are underestimating fist weapon. I did know one crazy bm... LA fist fulldex build. He complained VERY much at barbs who cant keep agro from him.
    A dex build BM/archer with fists will not steal agro from a good equal level barb, period.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    you're right , but key word there is "good".
    As there are many ppl that are crappy playing wizz/archer/cleric there are some that suck at playing a barb.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i cant play barb to save my life
    omg its so boring.....b:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I said this once and I'll say it again, If your a barb and can't keep aggro from party around the same level range, go shoot yourself :)

    Ty that is all b:cute
  • BludShot - Lost City
    BludShot - Lost City Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ur main purpose is to give all the more useful ppl that FRAPS BLADE... ya know the blue hand..
    b:surrender
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    post count imo
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • //Lelouch\ - Sanctuary34
    //Lelouch\ - Sanctuary34 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    We don't have a real role in TT, hence why we aren't wanted. Just a weak Damage Dealer. Veno's/Archers are better DDs.

    I agree we wizards: We DO NOT one hit those how trespass against us, we DO NOT tangle with archers when it comes to holding aggro, and yes we DO NOT steal aggro from even the mightest of hercs.
    Yes we wizards are just mediocre damage doers.b:laugh
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