Channel vs. Crit Rings.

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  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you really don't have a clue do you spirea?

    and neither do you
  • Pirodar - Sanctuary
    Pirodar - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I would prefer -12% channeling time than +4% crit, But I'm different.

    Hm wait. I would prefer - 12% channeling time than +4% crit, unless I had +96% crit already. In that case I would have to think.

    I hate randomness of damage. I hate weapons with wide damage range and I don't feel like I benefit from some chance to do double damage once in a while, which I can't predict.

    But I also hate PvP in MMOs.

    I wonder why people who feel satisfaction from killing other player, just because they had critical, don't just take bunch of dices and sit with others around the table, to throw those dices and scream "ha ha you noob I pwned you!!!" every time they happen to get bigger number. It has to be so much fun.

    If increasing wizard's DPS had any value in this game, I would point out that - 12% channeling time increases Your average DPS more than + 4% crit for any skill I can think of now, but sadly it doesn't.
  • Keita - Heavens Tear
    Keita - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you really don't have a clue do you spirea?

    IMO, more credible than you when it comes to wizards.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    he's level 100 and still can't play his class.

    lots of credibility.
  • darkwhispers
    darkwhispers Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    he's level 100 and still can't play his class.

    lots of credibility.

    When 2 level 100 wizard's that hate each other actually agree that you have no credibility..
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    no credibility huh. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't i support the whole "stack crit" thing? (i kinda thought i did)but to say it's superior in every way is a blatant lie.
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    -6, -9, -12% stacked... well... that won't make a miracle for pve. for pvp that won't help. then some +crit instead will boost morals for pve and eventually kill a player.

    for endgame things change completely. high -% channel (i mean over -30%) will increase your DPS considerably for pve and for pvp it will make AOE channeling much safer versus interruptions.

    if someone manages to get over -50% channel then sutra will turn to be nothing but spark waste and DPS will be immense even compared to archers' higher crit rate.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well, lets think of it this way:
    As an alternative, if you are a sage mage and you've gotten your sage skills + Sage BIDS... then I think its okay to stack as much channel as you want.
    After all, with pyrogram/gush alternating while having a fast channeling time, you'd be building chi like a monster! Then you can BIDS (and channel it quickly too!) to make the most of the 10 seconds of 30% extra crit. Since you have low channel anyways, you'd be able to take full advantage of that crit.

    That's just an alternate solution though.
    I still like stacking crit more.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i want crit and channeling
    seriously thats scary someone with high crit and lots of -channeling b:shocked
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • aeson
    aeson Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I'm surprised no one referenced this section of the 101 wizard 'guide' from bluemagi on the PW-MY(CH) servers:
    bluemagi (through Oz on the PWI forums) wrote:
    -singing vs critical
    A common debatable question among mages due to our slow singing time. -singing items always come from magic accessories (rings, necklace and belt). In other words, if you have high -singing, your phy def will drop drastically practically. I am going to be very practical in this topic and not being idealistic. Up till now, I had seen -12% singing belt and necklace. Of course it is magic resist.

    For heaven mages, we know our advantage is at our high and stable magic attacks. In other words, we should concentrate on our phy def, hp. Magic attack should come from full int and high ++ of weapon. The higher your int and weapon ++, the more you benefit from the 25% mastery. -singing and critical is of secondary importance to us. Staying alive to do more stable high damage is of utmost importance.

    For hell mages, sad to say, i can only debate it based on pk knowledge and readings. That extra 1% critical from mastery, negligence i will say. Mages with more then 15% critical can critical a lot already. So, go for -singing by all means if you can and dare. Hell mages are known for fast cast as majority of their skills are -singing and control. Take for example blizzard blast. On a 8 jun +12 hell mage, I did 8000 on an EA with no ++ from EA and casting time is almost equal that of a arena-ceous wave. No critical too. Combined with hell 润泽, hell mage truly shines in this area.

    It is rumored that at -93% singing, one can cast spells with no animation and singing. I personally, dunnoe if it is by bug or chance, I managed it once on the official server. Crazy damage, 1 sec 5 skills.
    Note: 润泽 references spark, blizzard blast is glacial snare and area-ceous wave is sandstorm.

    In addition to the above, there's also a gif of a mage with 95-99% channeling reduction (hell mage [L101 fairy]) going machine gun on an NPC. This means that -channeling has some merit if spells cast per second is a measurement.

    Sadly, I'm not high enough in levels/gear in this game to make a qualified statement based on opinion (and if life goes the way it has been, I don't think I'll ever be), so I won't.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    the 95-99 channeling is a bug, afaik.
    It completely removes CAST time, while having... well... 95-99% less CHANNELING.
    gg, right?
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  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I feel that crit with a 2spark skill will really kill alot ! You see if u fight a cleric with lets say 5k health and u hit him many times with 1.5k each.You'de have to hit at least 3+ times. This would allow pot + CHARM TICK !!! But if u had high crit that would change e story. U might be able to finish a cleric/archer in 1 Crit hit with BT. If u crit, ur damage overshoots his max HP . so charm = useless.
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  • Calibix - Heavens Tear
    Calibix - Heavens Tear Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    -6, -9, -12% stacked... well... that won't make a miracle for pve. for pvp that won't help. then some +crit instead will boost morals for pve and eventually kill a player.

    for endgame things change completely. high -% channel (i mean over -30%) will increase your DPS considerably for pve and for pvp it will make AOE channeling much safer versus interruptions.

    if someone manages to get over -50% channel then sutra will turn to be nothing but spark waste and DPS will be immense even compared to archers' higher crit rate.
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, lets think of it this way:
    As an alternative, if you are a sage mage and you've gotten your sage skills + Sage BIDS... then I think its okay to stack as much channel as you want.
    After all, with pyrogram/gush alternating while having a fast channeling time, you'd be building chi like a monster! Then you can BIDS (and channel it quickly too!) to make the most of the 10 seconds of 30% extra crit. Since you have low channel anyways, you'd be able to take full advantage of that crit.

    That's just an alternate solution though.
    I still like stacking crit more.

    In order to get to -channel that high, you would have to do one of two things, barring -channel soulgems: 1) Wear Elemental Belt/Neck with -Channel, which we excluded from the discussion at the start, or 2) Have access to gear like Frostcovered Cape/Helm, Warsoul Helm, Rank top, etc., gear that is either currently unattainable or not very viable endgame.

    -24% is the highest standard, -12% from two rings, -6% from sleeves, and -6% from weapon.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Only way to work on getting more channeling is going LA past 90, so you can wear mdef ornaments. Your HP is fine because you can shard citrines all the way thanks to LA's def. Your critrate will still be somewhat decent. I guess you'd be able to get about -36% that way, but your damage and mdef will suck really badly.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    really good thread lol.

    I had wondered the same thing and decided to go with crit rings because:
    • -chan ornaments are ridiculously expensive (keep in mind for the next point)
    • in my opinion (just how i feel though), -chan doesn't mean anything until it's more than 30% (just seems to be the magical number); so stacking those rare -chan items just doesn't seem cost-effective.
    • gush + pyro (lv. 10+) > SS (mine's lv. 8), at least as far as DPS is concerned for right now. And since crit is based on how many shots you get off, hypothetically speaking you'll deal way more damage spamming gush & pyro as opposed to spamming a SS every 1.7-9 seconds.
    • the lv.100 wiz says crit is better O_o... she seems to be an expert.
    • [off topic]playing dice with friends IS fun homie. just need some good weed & a lotta drink.

    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    and here i thought you were smart or something, the way you question what i do. did you even think this one through? chanting 1/4 faster is noticable even if it's 1 second.

    O_o did Forp misspell something?
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Only way to work on getting more channeling is going LA past 90, so you can wear mdef ornaments. Your HP is fine because you can shard citrines all the way thanks to LA's def. Your critrate will still be somewhat decent. I guess you'd be able to get about -36% that way, but your damage and mdef will suck really badly.

    Yay! More of a reason to go LA past 90 (which I'm gonna do anyway)!

    But I'm still gonna be more of a Crit person. :P
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    O_o did Forp misspell something?

    yes i did. i left the e out of noticeable. my mistake.
  • Godofdarknes - Lost City
    Godofdarknes - Lost City Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    light armour should always stack crit. they need it. light does much less damage, and rely on crits for everything.

    and, correct me if i'm wrong, but your light-armoured god "Pandora" stacks it as well. so should you hippies be falling head over heals for it?

    sorry to break all of yalls hearts but Pandora wasnt "all that" she was only good because of her gear. Now Spirea on the other hand.......b:victory makes things work even with crappy gear
    sorry if yall was a fan of pandora she just got a big name because of her gear and because she was the leader of RQ
  • Godofdarknes - Lost City
    Godofdarknes - Lost City Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I feel that crit with a 2spark skill will really kill alot ! You see if u fight a cleric with lets say 5k health and u hit him many times with 1.5k each.You'de have to hit at least 3+ times. This would allow pot + CHARM TICK !!! But if u had high crit that would change e story. U might be able to finish a cleric/archer in 1 Crit hit with BT. If u crit, ur damage overshoots his max HP . so charm = useless.

    wat wizard cant oneshot a cleric his lv with BT?
    b:bye gg
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i'd love to see a level 83 wizard 1 shot me with tempest.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    We all would Forp <3 b:chuckle
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i'd love to see a level 83 wizard 1 shot me with tempest.

    A wizzard I know critted a 3.8k on a demon SR on a ~same lvl robe cleric. I don't know any more details about this, but the one that told me was the cleric and not the wizz so I tend to believe it... Now prolly a lvl 1-2 tempest won't take you out Forp, but I would say taht 3.8k SR would be pretty damn close if not more than enough to do it.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I know what wizard your talking about Ursa b:chuckle i bet they love to use that SR

    Ursa always has nice comments in the forums
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i have over 4k hp unbuffed. not to mention i have equilivant pdef to light armour and almost 8k average mdef. who other than a level 99 is going to 1 hit me with tempest(assuming they have level 11)? no one.

    i've been hit by sage stone rain, and it hit about 1.3k~ on my terrible robes. assuming it's a crit, 2.6k. so you're either lying, or the cleric was wearing light armour.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    what cleric goes LA past 90 o.o
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i have over 4k hp unbuffed. not to mention i have equilivant pdef to light armour and almost 8k average mdef. who other than a level 99 is going to 1 hit me with tempest(assuming they have level 11)? no one.

    i've been hit by sage stone rain, and it hit about 1.3k~ on my terrible robes. assuming it's a crit, 2.6k. so you're either lying, or the cleric was wearing light armour.

    Real PVP doesn't happen till 90+ when people actually give a **** about their gear. So till then, keep stroking your e-peen and go level you ****ing lowbie.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    leveling takes too much work, and i'm lazy as ****. so no, it'll be awhile before i get to 90.
  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    leveling takes too much work, and i'm lazy as ****. so no, it'll be awhile before i get to 90.

    So till then don't talk about pvp like 8x pvp matters. Wizards suck pre90 anyway.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i'm fairly positive every tw i've participated in was against 9x. and the only people white named anymore are 9x. i just happen to be the rare 8x that enjoys having fun before reaching end game.
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Since the thread has been derailed, here's a highlight list of the last few days/hours (edit: just things i found interesting lol):
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yes i did. i left the e out of noticeable. my mistake.

    Respectable, a lowly forum troll wouldn't have admitted that
    Godofdarknes - Lost City wrote: »
    sorry to break all of yalls hearts but Pandora wasnt "all that" she was only good because of her gear. Now Spirea on the other hand.......b:victory makes things work even with crappy gear
    sorry if yall was a fan of pandora she just got a big name because of her gear and because she was the leader of RQ

    b:thanks I heard Pandora was a dude... (food for thought :p)
    Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »
    Real PVP doesn't happen till 90+ when people actually give a **** about their gear. So till then, keep stroking your e-peen and go level you ****ing lowbie.

    holy ****ing ****... b:shocked... absolute forum-facerapeage (i made that word b:pleased).

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