Demon/Sage Mistake Please Help

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  • Vulpix - Lost City
    Vulpix - Lost City Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Im mainly going demon for the fox form! I just wanna run fast all the time so I can run up ahead of everyone in Fbs.
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    TY _Bloody_Fox_ for the sig ^_^
    I think venomancers are a pretty cool guy, eh mances the venom and doesn't afraid of anything.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm not sure if my amp was maxed at that point or not. I didn't max all my skills until level 91 and I was 90 in that pic. Plus I guess none of you have played enough to realize that some bosses cure themselves of debuffs, making them last much shorter than the normal duration. I've had my maxed blazing last for only 10 seconds for example

    hah. hah.

    hahahahaha.

    go die.
  • Starrr - Harshlands
    Starrr - Harshlands Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    there are different levels of stupidity in this world. there is your every day idiots and then there is Zoe. so far above and beyond regular stupidity that its hard to believe he can even survive in this world.
    Staring at the wall is much more rewarding than playing PW.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *is confused* please explain. holy is sage and dark is demon? is what you wrote supposed to mean that sage is better for someone who uses fox a lot and demon would be better for a human form caster?

    and (little late i know but) lets have the sage vs demon debate, because i STILL cant decide. and i dont wanna end up in the same boat as the op.

    and for the op: i would most definately send a ticket if i were you. it's worth a shot.


    Ignore Forp, but he probably meant Sage when he said holy, and Demon when he said dark.
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    why ignore forp? what i've said is true. the translation of the holy fury is wrong.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *is confused* please explain. holy is sage and dark is demon? is what you wrote supposed to mean that sage is better for someone who uses fox a lot and demon would be better for a human form caster?

    and (little late i know but) lets have the sage vs demon debate, because i STILL cant decide. and i dont wanna end up in the same boat as the op.

    and for the op: i would most definately send a ticket if i were you. it's worth a shot.
    hes totally wrong about that vin >_>;
    sage - longer and more powerful debuff duration, more spark dmg, great for acquiring chi quickly
    demon - more crits, cool downs, and running away like a loser moves.

    in this particular case, for a veno caster, sage is way better.

    zoe on the other hand should be ignored too because now hes just gotten purely idiotic, and cant defend itself yet again with the bull it spouts. "IM THIS THIS AND THIS." "prove it." "FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF, U FAIL @ PWI,UR JEALOUS." same dumb response every time, because it has no proof.

    zoe youve lost your right to humanity, youve been demoted to an it.
    forp you lose too, theres no mistranslation on sage FF :P
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    where dark falls into "run run away" i'll never know. but what i do know is that holy veno = fox. fox has the greatest advantages out of going holy.

    and yes, the spark is translated wrong. it should say 900% to physical attack.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    no, it shouldnt >_>; demon's spark has the more melee

    and the run away stuff = demon fox form (increased running speed), sprint (immunity to running debuffs for 6s), befuddling mist (30% move speed slow), stunning blow( gets a chance to stun)

    its all bent towards being a coward in fox form :P
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    a stun points to running away? a stun is the most invaluable thing in pvp.

    i wish priest had at least 1.

    and speed, again, is invaluable in pvp.


    HOWEVER, holy offers more damage, better effects, and better curses to fox venos(curses are fox skills, fyi). and the holy spark is especially design for a fox because it adds an aditional 900% to physical attack!

    b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry
  • Byno - Sanctuary
    Byno - Sanctuary Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    no, it shouldnt >_>; demon's spark has the more melee

    and the run away stuff = demon fox form (increased running speed), sprint (immunity to running debuffs for 6s), befuddling mist (30% move speed slow), stunning blow( gets a chance to stun)

    its all bent towards being a coward in fox form :P

    How is keeping out of reach of your enemies considered cowardly? Can't kill me if you can't catch me.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    a stun points to running away? a stun is the most invaluable thing in pvp.

    i wish priest had at least 1.

    and speed, again, is invaluable in pvp.


    HOWEVER, holy offers more damage, better effects, and better curses to fox venos(curses are fox skills, fyi). and the holy spark is especially design for a fox because it adds an aditional 900% to physical attack!

    b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry

    Easiest way to settle this is to prove it.

    Find a sage veno and have him/her show stats pre-spark. Then stats post-spark. Issue solved.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    do you know how hard it is to find a sage veno? any idea? let's see. in heaven's tear we have: zoe.

    goody.
  • Esteban - Harshlands
    Esteban - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    do you know how hard it is to find a sage veno? any idea? let's see. in heaven's tear we have: zoe.

    goody.

    Then go look on other servers.. I think most venos on Harshland went sage..
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Zoe fails.
    Always have.
    Always will.
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    do you know how hard it is to find a sage veno?

    *raise hand*
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    Thanks Brit for the sig b:laugh
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Byno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    How is keeping out of reach of your enemies considered cowardly? Can't kill me if you can't catch me.
    one word: heleina.
    drop phoenix onto group, run into Sp, repeat
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Skill description says : 900% extra magic attack and 500% weapon attack (not physical attack)


    Here we go :

    Before spark :

    Weapon attack : 528/673
    Mattk : 6553/8486


    After spark :

    Weapon attack : no idea, the increase don't show on the weapon stat
    Mattk : 16687/21602


    Increase :

    Weapon attack : no idea
    Mattk : 900%



    Pattack increase with the burst :

    Humanoid :

    Before : 809/1009
    After : 3739/4664


    Fox :

    Before : 1227/1595
    After : 4207/5249
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    Thanks Brit for the sig b:laugh
  • Byno - Sanctuary
    Byno - Sanctuary Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    one word: heleina.
    drop phoenix onto group, run into Sp, repeat

    lols, but he'd do that whether or not he could run fast.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Skill description says : 900% extra magic attack and 500% weapon attack (not physical attack)


    Here we go :

    Before spark :

    Weapon attack : 528/673
    Mattk : 6553/8486


    After spark :

    Weapon attack : no idea, the increase don't show on the weapon stat
    Mattk : 16687/21602


    Increase :

    Weapon attack : no idea
    Mattk : 900%



    Pattack increase with the burst :

    Humanoid :

    Before : 809/1009
    After : 3739/4664


    Fox :

    Before : 1227/1595
    After : 4207/5249

    Thank you. b:victory
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Before spark :
    Mattk : 6553/8486

    After spark :
    Mattk : 16687/21602

    Increase :
    Mattk : 900%
    I must be missing something obvious. Can you explain the math behind 6553 -> 16687 = 900%?
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I must be missing something obvious. Can you explain the math behind 6553 -> 16687 = 900%?

    It is actually 900% of "Weapon Damage" from the spark. That must have been the result after the increase. We would need more information to work the math ourselves.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Skill description says : 900% extra magic attack and 500% weapon attack (not physical attack)


    Here we go :

    Before spark :

    Weapon attack : 528/673
    Mattk : 6553/8486


    After spark :

    Weapon attack : no idea, the increase don't show on the weapon stat
    Mattk : 16687/21602


    Increase :

    Weapon attack : no idea
    Mattk : 900%



    Pattack increase with the burst :

    Humanoid :

    Before : 809/1009
    After : 3739/4664


    Fox :

    Before : 1227/1595
    After : 4207/5249

    am i the only one that can't make these numbers add up?
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    It can't be a straight 900% from the number 6553, because the math simply isn't working.

    9.00 * 6553 = 58977 =!= 16687

    Even if it were 700%

    7.00 * 6553 = 45871 =!= 16687

    So the game probably does something a touch more complicated than that.
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