Venomancer Tank

Reikara - Heavens Tear

My build is like this:
Heavy armour/Arcane armour
Magic sword
Fox form and human form.
I use my level 80 Yaksa in both human and fox, since I cant use melee
weapons there. I find I miss too much in human form to even bother with
melee weapons, in fox form with my sword I'm hitting 1-3ks constantly, rarley
missing. I use both human mage form and fox form depending on what or who
im killing.

So not all heavy venos are plain melee only O.o;;

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My build is like this:
Heavy armour/Arcane armour
Magic sword
Fox form and human form.
I use my level 80 Yaksa in both human and fox, since I cant use melee
weapons there. I find I miss too much in human form to even bother with
melee weapons, in fox form with my sword I'm hitting 1-3ks constantly, rarley
missing. I use both human mage form and fox form depending on what or who
im killing.

So not all heavy venos are plain melee only O.o;;

There are those that are pure melee, there are those that are hybrid. It simply depends on how you built your veno.

NinJaXXX - Harshlands

fine it is my turn to tell u a secret i was on LC and i played a veno with the name off Sucubus just so u knew she was lv69 and with no armor hade 4133 hp no shards no nothing pure vit and i hade a really fun play time meet quite a lot off players with sucubus and was on Redhawk a pk faction hade a great time i still have those photos off our duels anyways i am playing a non vit build veno all fist and bow and the play style is quite different all crith and die fast lolz anyways lving isnt hard at all as long as u knew where to grind at the major difference is that in this build i seems to need heiro vith 2Str and 3dex and with sucubus build i loughed at mobs hitting me seriusly i even reemeber i with full buuffed and my equipement i beated a wizz lv79 and i was only lv64 at secret passage such a dumb wiz i encourage ppl to try crazy builds its fun and make what PW is all about fantazy go go redhawk belleb:kiss oooh my sucubus with fully buffed hade 7k hp so um i HADE fun LA vit muahahaha

cybluerr

NinJaXXX - Harshlands wrote: »

fine it is my turn to tell u a secret i was on LC and i played a veno with the name off Sucubus just so u knew she was lv69 and with no armor hade 4133 hp no shards no nothing pure vit and i hade a really fun play time meet quite a lot off players with sucubus and was on Redhawk a pk faction hade a great time i still have those photos off our duels anyways i am playing a non vit build veno all fist and bow and the play style is quite different all crith and die fast lolz anyways lving isnt hard at all as long as u knew where to grind at the major difference is that in this build i seems to need heiro vith 2Str and 3dex and with sucubus build i loughed at mobs hitting me seriusly i even reemeber i with full buuffed and my equipement i beated a wizz lv79 and i was only lv64 at secret passage such a dumb wiz i encourage ppl to try crazy builds its fun and make what PW is all about fantazy go go redhawk belleb:kiss oooh my sucubus with fully buffed hade 7k hp so um i HADE fun LA vit muahahaha

Punctuation. Extinct since 2009.

Peritia - Lost City

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

Heavy veno != melee veno. If you want to melee all the time and not ever use magic roll a BM.

Heavy venos on the other hand intrigue me, I'm too damn lazy to roll one because of all the twiddling and fiddling you have to do with stats but they do sound rather fun. Maybe at 90 I'll sink a lot of time and effort into it XD Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll never make it to 90. :P

Main point:
heavy veno = viable build
melee veno = not particularly viable, but whatever, if you want to play it be my guest :P

... Way to make a fool of yourself by not reading my post.

I'm not a "melee-BM-wannabe" Veno. You talk about how heavy veno is viable, whereas melee veno is not.

My build is a Heavy Blended veno. Hence why I talk about using both caster from and fox form. My use of "heavy veno" is much like Reikara's.

Do us a favour and read the whole post before you shoot off a reply targeting someone's post.

EDIT: It's possible I've misinterpreted your post, but given your use of "you" repeatedly after quoting my post, it's my interpretation that your comments are directed at me and as mentioned above - are completely mistaken.

EDIT2: Changed phrasing of my build to "Heavy Blended" to match my definitions later in this thread.

Reikara - Heavens Tear

Pure melee veno only is still very much a viable build, considering you get a whole skill tree
for it.. it's not like a cleric running around with hammers...

Akiratojo - Heavens Tear

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Arcane veno
http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=3771e7e32f44a846
Heavy veno
http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=c757fa04895f61f3
did some reconfiguration with the previous poster's data ia make it more balanced.

Yuck at that HA build xD.
Basically that HA veno is a watered down BM.

Why?
Well where are all the skills? You can't equip any good magic weapon at all therefore you are stuck with veno that can't use fox form for anything other than debuffs and has to equip a crappy low-level weapon in order to use fox form, adittionally, you have a pet heal that is very quite bad.

This brings me to my next point.

HA pet heals.

Level 10: Heal your pet, restoring 540 HP plus 30% of your magic attack.
Range: 27.0 meters
Mana: 95
Channel: 1.5 seconds
Cast: 1.0 seconds
Cooldown: 1.0 seconds

Sure, its level 93, but this isn't the point. say that your mag.attack is 9k at a robe full int build, 30% of that = 2700, so it heals almost 3300 per heal.

Full HA build (the proper way), at level 83 I have ~4600 m.attack, say I have 5.5k mattack at 93, that = 1650 + 540 = 2100ish.

for spamming the skill and being able to dish out serious damage and healing my herc at the same time, I would hardly consider it bad.

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Pure melee veno only is still very much a viable build, considering you get a whole skill tree
for it.. it's not like a cleric running around with hammers...

How do you figure?
You're using, say the XS mold (calamity xs) axes, and you poured your points into STR therefore the following happen, you are a watered down BM, and disregarding the above, yes, you will fail at pet heal cause your m.attack will fail if you go pure mele, furthermore you can't use any WF skills with those axes, so what then? If you wanted to use WF skills you would have to switch to some **** magic weapon like 60 levels lower >.<

Peritia - Lost City

I think we have a serious problem here in that we're all using different overlapping terms to describe different things.

I'm 95% certain Reikara's use of "melee veno" is intended to refer to an exclusively-Fox Form (ie. no casting) built venomancer, and not to "BM veno" carrying axes or something similar.

I think we should all take care to define our nouns before we start using them or defining them more carefuly... Something like:

- Arcane Caster
- Light Caster
- Light Fox
- Light Blended (caster+fox)
- Heavy Caster (lol)
- Heavy Fox (=melee)
- Heavy Blended (me, Reikara)
- Heavy "BM" Veno (with non-magic weapon)

Thoughts?

EDIT: Thought I'd mention - the "lol" beside Heavy Caster (ie. not using Fox Form) is just because I don't see the point of going HA if you're not going to use Fox Form at least part of the time, not because it can't be done. It's just that you may as well stick with Arcane or Light for pure casting.

Isala - Sanctuary

Peritia - Lost City wrote: »

I think we have a serious problem here in that we're all using different overlapping terms to describe different things.

I'm 95% certain Reikara's use of "melee veno" is intended to refer to an exclusively-Fox Form (ie. no casting) built venomancer, and not to "BM veno" carrying axes or something similar.

I think we should all take care to define our nouns before we start using them or defining them more carefuly... Something like:

- Arcane Caster
- Light Caster
- Light Fox
- Light Blended (caster+fox)Me.
- Heavy Caster (lol)
- Heavy Fox (=melee)
- Heavy Blended (me, Reikara)
- Heavy "BM" Veno (with non-magic weapon)

Thoughts?

There are so many ways to play a Veno, it's rediculous, honestly. Fun part is that almost all of them work. Something goes wrong, you hide behind your pet and spam heals. Honestly, I think every single build I've seen so far is viable for the simple fact that we are Venos. We can do whatever we want, really, and still pull it off beautifully.

Pure Mag build? No problem. Just pray your pet holds aggro, and everything dies.

Vit Mag build? Piece of cake. Pet lost aggro? No biggie, it's a caster. That barely hurt. Oh, it's melee? Well, that kinda hurt, but I have HP to absorb it.

LA Caster, Low Vit, unless you improvise with various techniques, but things don't really hurt too bad.

LA Fox? Melee? Oh, hi there. Kinda hurts a tiny bit, but meh.

HA Melee Build? Melee mob? What melee mob? Oh! You mean the mob biting my back. Yeah... It kinda itches.

HA Fox Build? What do you mean I've been dragging a hoard of Melee mobs after me? I haven't been taking damage at all...

Silliness aside. As long as you're good at your build, does it really matter which one you have? I play an Evasive LA/Robe Hybrid. I put a lot of effort into my Evasion so I can use things like Befuddling Mist to avoid damage. Am I as great of a tank as say... Reikara? Not really. Am I still effective in my own little niche I've carved? You betcha.

Example? My Golem can't survive Kimsa. He hits just a bit too hard for my pet heals. However, using an Undine Tide Mistress, with Threaten, and some fancy footwork with some debuffs I have, I have no problem whatsoever beating him down in Fox Form. One can't just look at a build and say "That's useless." You have to look at a build and think, "What can I use this for?" and then think about the potential. I used to agree with all the Venos saying Go Mag, go Arcane, go Pure! Then I decided I was tired of running from everything that ignored my pet and stood my ground instead. I haven't looked back.

vagrant0

http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=1eebb8b56d3c559e

A bit more practical, and about as balanced as you're gonna get. Allows for fox form (and defense and attack are taken with foxform values), so damage would be slightly higher from skills. Also built around what someone without a trust fund might be able to afford, or a GM to unlock those things which aren't in yet. Armor is a bit piecemeal, but unfortunately needs to be that way in order to wear half of it due to stat distribution being a bit funky. Not as high damage wise as that axe build that was posted (given the whole non-available weapon, and using an outside buff), but higher defense, and having access to fox skills means being able to use amp, mist, leach, so it kinda makes up for it in the long run. Attack rate is also quite a bit higher. Higher dodge, higher hit rate. All in all, not a bad build, and can probably tank fairly well, but can be rather expensive. It would also have quite a few levels where you will be stuck with lesser equipment.

But as mentioned before, you would really need to carry 2-3 of those TT 60 weapons around to make it through longer TT/FB runs, which makes it a good thing that you're only dropping about 1m on each, and 30k for repairs.

Peritia - Lost City

vagrant0, that's a great build for a tanking dedicated veno, but it is (in my opinion) a bit lacking in terms of flexibility when not in a group, especially due to the poor magic attack and the underlevelled weapon.

I feel I've gotten closer to "balance", although admittedly mine is weaker in terms of fox form performance - and thus is less of an ideal tank.

My level 74 Heavy Blended Veno equipment, using up-to-date weapon and armour:

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c30b9844853b5d23

http://i41.tinypic.com/mie1hy.jpg

Ignoring the refinements, which while improving it are not essential, nothing there was particularly expensive. The most I paid for any of the accessories to make that work was ~140k if I recall correctly. It just takes patience to check auction a few times a day, and pounce on items when you see something useful at the right price.

EDIT: Oh, and you may want to remove the critical arrow from the build since it's artifically inflating the critical rate. Testing has shown, and the GMs have confirmed, that it has no effect except when shot .

vagrant0

Peritia - Lost City wrote: »

vagrant0, that's a great build for a tanking dedicated veno, but it is (in my opinion) a bit lacking in terms of flexibility when not in a group, especially due to the poor magic attack and the underlevelled weapon.

It's quite a bit lacking, I won't deny that. But it's a build geared toward almost completely fox skills, and not using magic attack. The only real benefit of the magic attack it does have is to make pet heals a bit better. This was kinda what the point of the thread is... Why make a HA, melee build if you're going to be using magic attacks. When not in a group it would still be quite effective between having a good pet, and being able to use skills. The example was given to provide a more realistic model to follow than that axe build posted earlier for the pure melee veno. Although the weapon is under-leveled, it ends up being stronger physically than if the points were arranged for a level 70 or 80 weapon. Being a level 60 TT weapon, it's also easier to get more than 1 of, and costs less to maintain.

It should however be pointed out that a veno, regardless of build, regardless of equipment (GM gear not included), regardless of buffs, will still be 1 shotted by most TT bosses at level (level range for the TT)... So you would still need a barb to do TT runs. This is because even with good gear and barb buff, venos don't get enough HP. (unless they spend several thousand dollars upgrading everything to +12, and use perfect HP shards (even then, not as high as a BM or Barb in equal gear) Which kinda defeats the purpose of making a HA veno for tanking. Veno skills also cannot generate as much agro as barb skills, so even if they survive a few hits, may lose agro quickly if there is an archer/wizard in the squad.

Really though, if your main goal is to be a melee build, and are planning to let your pet or someone else tank, a light armor build ends up being a bit more practical and alot more forgiving, as well as allowing for slightly higher damage. Defense, although lower, remains high enough to survive through those AoE attacks we all know and love.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e8fdbdd2954af16d

About the arrow, yeah, well aware, but there's always that bit of positive thinking. If you think it's higher, it'll be higher.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Akiratojo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yuck at that HA build xD.
Basically that HA veno is a watered down BM.

Why?
Well where are all the skills? You can't equip any good magic weapon at all therefore you are stuck with veno that can't use fox form for anything other than debuffs and has to equip a crappy low-level weapon in order to use fox form, adittionally, you have a pet heal that is very quite bad.

It is not my HA build. It is some other person's. They had put the heavy veno's items being 1000x more OP than the arcane veno, so I changed the stones and some items in the Arcane. Did not change anything in the heavy veno armour except changed the stones to be equal to the arcane venos. Just checked, it was kittenice's HA build.

Side note: I dont do HA venos, full magic caster veno with herc all the way.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

NinJaXXX - Harshlands wrote: »

fine it is my turn to tell u a secret i was on LC and i played a veno with the name off Sucubus just so u knew she was lv69 and with no armor hade 4133 hp no shards no nothing pure vit and i hade a really fun play time meet quite a lot off players with sucubus and was on Redhawk a pk faction hade a great time i still have those photos off our duels anyways i am playing a non vit build veno all fist and bow and the play style is quite different all crith and die fast lolz anyways lving isnt hard at all as long as u knew where to grind at the major difference is that in this build i seems to need heiro vith 2Str and 3dex and with sucubus build i loughed at mobs hitting me seriusly i even reemeber i with full buuffed and my equipement i beated a wizz lv79 and i was only lv64 at secret passage such a dumb wiz i encourage ppl to try crazy builds its fun and make what PW is all about fantazy go go redhawk belleb:kiss oooh my sucubus with fully buffed hade 7k hp so um i HADE fun LA vit muahahaha

cybluerr wrote: »

Punctuation. Extinct since 2009.

good lord... QFT thats the longest one i've seen so far.

Reikara - Heavens Tear

Akiratojo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How do you figure?
You're using, say the XS mold (calamity xs) axes, and you poured your points into STR therefore the following happen, you are a watered down BM, and disregarding the above, yes, you will fail at pet heal cause your m.attack will fail if you go pure mele, furthermore you can't use any WF skills with those axes, so what then? If you wanted to use WF skills you would have to switch to some **** magic weapon like 60 levels lower >.<

I never mentioned that a 'melee' veno would run around in axes.
I'm a level 87 veno you'd think i'd know all the skills by now? The melee veno
i'm reffering to uses fox form and magic weapons.
I saw a very interesting build on the MY forums regarding this. She was a level 90+ venomancer using the sakyamunis light sword+10 (level 70) so she had only 210 magic. Everything else she put into strength and dexterity.
She had 6-7k physical attack...with a magic weapon. 15k P.def.

What the hell do you mean by magic attack anyway. A veno like this wouldn't have much need for a pet, and they'd also be able to heal and use soul, bramble too. And this build is in no way comparable to blademasters,
foxes and BMs get a completly different set of skills. Foxes debuff, amp their damage, they can freeze a target in place, they can reduce accuracy, steal HP, regen their MP also with an attack skill, they can drain mana.

Blademasters stun, aoe, jump back and forth, interrupt casting, decrease resistance, can alternate their physical and magic resistances. Telling someone to go play a BM instead of a melee veno in this case is futile, seeing
as they're obviously both very different things.

Alphae - Lost City

Let's see.

Was not particuarly directing a post at anyone, but melee veno to me = axe veno. Which is a complete waste of your skill tree

Heavy veno = one that wears heavy armor and is still able to utilize veno skills.

Think that ought to clear up a lot of things. b:surrender

Reikara - Heavens Tear

Not quite... this is annoying. I wish there was an exact term for each
kind which accuratly described their build. Ah **** it, for the sake of
this thread i'll name each one so we know what we're talking about here.
These are all the the combinations:

Fox form+magic sword+heavy armour, melee user only- Heavy battle fox.

Fox form+human form+magic weapon+heavy/arcane armour, magic and melee- Heavy hybrid.

Human form, melee weapons, no skills, melee only- Melee venomancer

Fox form+magic weapon+light armour, melee only- Light battle fox

Human form+fox form+magic weapon+light armour, melee and magic- Light hybrid.

Human form+magic weapon+light armour(sometimes arcane too), magic only- Light mage.

Human form+magic weapon+arcane armour, magic only- Arcane venomancer.


...Geez I should probably change my sig now b:sweat

Leaderalan - Lost City

well rofl.

Can you each give me a list of the best build you would do.

Per level

Str
Mage
Vit
Dex

Armor type
Fox or human
Skills

Pros
Cons

Sapheon - Dreamweaver

What the hell do you mean by magic attack anyway. A veno like this wouldn't have much need for a pet, and they'd also be able to heal and use soul, bramble too. And this build is in no way comparable to blademasters,
foxes and BMs get a completly different set of skills. Foxes debuff, amp their damage, they can freeze a target in place, they can reduce accuracy, steal HP, regen their MP also with an attack skill, they can drain mana.

I've found my answer.

I am making a de-buff veno with the idea in mind.

My build is 3 str, 1 vit, 1 dex per level and completely ignoring mag.

Weapon 1: Axe my level, no hammers, hammers are ugly.
Weapon 2: Wand of Colour

I normally use Phy. de-buff + Axe in grinding

My main purpose of life is to de-buff and not that I have them yet, but I will be aiming my build for below skills for bosses with group:

Amplify Damage - Amplify damage by 30%
Purge - Remove positive status
Befudding Mist - lower accuracy by 70%

I know I will be casting these skills in Fox form weilding a Wand of Colour, but the damage is not what I am after anyways, these de-buff effects will let my team kill much faster. With skills like Comsume Spirit followed by Leech, I go on and on and play a de-buffer role full time.

While durability of the weapon IS the main problem.

And then when I have 2 sparks, the real de-buff comes into play.

Demon-Venomous Scarab - Reduce Wood resistance 30% for 6 second
Demon-Parasitic Nova - 67% chance Chaotic (8 sec no movement / attack)
Demon version makes chaotic enemies take 30% more damage.
Demon-Ironwood Scarab - 20% chance to reduce enemy Pdef to 0

I honestly could care less about my own damage. If you want a DD, roll an Archer / Wiz.

I was reading about all these if you want to be a Veno with Axe, roll a BM. I got kind of discouraged and finally see someone sharing my idea.

Who cares about the damage you do when having you in party everyone can do 30-40% more damage, lower boss' Phy Def to 0, full time de-buff, has Stun + Freeze, Very high Phy. Def in fox form and can heal self effectively?

The Axe is just for grinding, don't let it bug you too much b:kiss

[p.s] With this set-up, a de-buff Veno could end up being a Wiz's best partner in PvP, Amplify Damage + Freeze, and let them do the rest. Or imagine having 0 Phy. Def for a good 8 sec in range of an Archer ^_^

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Sapheon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've found my answer.

I am making a de-buff veno with the idea in mind.

My build is 3 str, 1 vit, 1 dex per level and completely ignoring mag.

Weapon 1: Axe my level, no hammers, hammers are ugly.
Weapon 2: Wand of Colour

The durability is going to be a huge problem because if it breaks while you are in Fox Form you won't be able to transform back to human form until they fix the glitch. If you do this I highly suggest getting a second one just in case.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The durability is going to be a huge problem because if it breaks while you are in Fox Form you won't be able to transform back to human form until they fix the glitch. If you do this I highly suggest getting a second one just in case.

By the tone of a GM post I would not be surprized if the "fix" is a change in the description of the skill

Kittennice - Heavens Tear

Sapheon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've found my answer.

I am making a de-buff veno with the idea in mind.

My build is 3 str, 1 vit, 1 dex per level and completely ignoring mag.

Weapon 1: Axe my level, no hammers, hammers are ugly.
Weapon 2: Wand of Colour

I normally use Phy. de-buff + Axe in grinding

My main purpose of life is to de-buff and not that I have them yet, but I will be aiming my build for below skills for bosses with group:

Amplify Damage - Amplify damage by 30%
Purge - Remove positive status
Befudding Mist - lower accuracy by 70%

I know I will be casting these skills in Fox form weilding a Wand of Colour, but the damage is not what I am after anyways, these de-buff effects will let my team kill much faster. With skills like Comsume Spirit followed by Leech, I go on and on and play a de-buffer role full time.


I was reading about all these if you want to be a Veno with Axe, roll a BM. I got kind of discouraged and finally see someone sharing my idea.

Who cares about the damage you do when having you in party everyone can do 30-40% more damage, lower boss' Phy Def to 0, full time de-buff, has Stun + Freeze, Very high Phy. Def in fox form and can heal self effectively?

The Axe is just for grinding, don't let it bug you too much b:kiss

[p.s] With this set-up, a de-buff Veno could end up being a Wiz's best partner in PvP, Amplify Damage + Freeze, and let them do the rest. Or imagine having 0 Phy. Def for a good 8 sec in range of an Archer ^_^

Ermmm... what?

You know it will be alot of trouble if you don't add anything to magic. >.>

Venoxs make good damage! Why can't anyone get that? You hit more criticals (They are like regular attacks) you hit from 1k-7.5k with TT60 axes
and 2k-9.5k with TT70.

Then do a bit of spark eruption @_@ You'll be amazed
Spark eruption is hotb:victory

But you're doing a different veno since you're not putting some magic in. I want to see how it's done.
All these new things getting made warms my fluffly heart. ^^

Sapheon - Dreamweaver

y the tone of a GM post I would not be surprized if the "fix" is a change in the description of the skill

If they will change it such that Venos and use Melee weapon in Fox form, we'd instantly become one of the best tanks in game.

Ermmm... what?

You know it will be alot of trouble if you don't add anything to magic. >.>

I am not using any pets, so healing it will not be an issue, well since there is none to heal b:cute

Most Veno skills compose of:
Base magic damage: in my case = none / minimal
Weapon damage: in my case = none / minimal
Fixed number of damage: Same for everyone regardless of stat / weapon

So my skills will do 'some' damage and obviously weaker...

But most Veno skills do:
Damge: in my case = weaker by about say 50%?
Status effect: A lot more since I will be up front in there constantly de-buffing without the fear of pulling aggro~b:dirty

I highly suggest getting a second one just in case.

Thank God that... wait, ahem... Thank GMs that I only need to make a new Cleric to level 14 to get another one, not too terrible... Clerics are the easiest one to get to level 14 right? Or Wizzards? b:shocked

Kittennice - Heavens Tear

Sapheon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If they will change it such that Venos and use Melee weapon in Fox form, we'd instantly become one of the best tanks in game.

Heck ya!

Sapheon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am not using any pets, so healing it will not be an issue, well since there is none to heal b:cute

Most Veno skills compose of:
Base magic damage: in my case = none / minimal
Weapon damage: in my case = none / minimal
Fixed number of damage: Same for everyone regardless of stat / weapon

So my skills will do 'some' damage and obviously weaker...

But most Veno skills do:
Damge: in my case = weaker by about say 50%?
Status effect: A lot more since I will be up front in there constantly de-buffing without the fear of pulling aggro~b:dirty

Oh, I thought you were. I use a pet to help with magic mobs (Evil Huggy Hares don't like me). But that's cool. You won't have to waste money on pet food and all that stuff.b:victory

Sapheon - Dreamweaver

Just want to say I am very new to Veno forum as this is my first Veno and it is very new.

But I already like how friendly people are in here.

Apprecaite all the comments thus far and love you all b:victory

Now if you don't mind I want to bring my biggest fear up for discussion and hope to get some help.

My weapon, you all know, is Wand of Color.

I checked last night and it only has 24 durability.

Question 1: Does dura go down when you hit? Or does it go down when you get hit? Or both?

Question 2: How long will 24 durability last? 5 minutes? So just barely enough for a higher level boss?

Question 3:
My build now is 3 str 1 vit 1 dex, ignoring mag

I found this alternative while researching database yesterday and this might help a lot of Venos who took the fox path, of course, only if it ends up proving to be a viable option...

If you want to use swords, you need 4 Str 3 Dex for 2 level, but HA need 5 Str per 2 level, so that makes 5 Str, 3 Dex for 2 level, leaving 2 for Vit

If you want to use Axe, you need 3 Str 1 Dex (well, 1 dex per 2 lvl, but I hate missing so let's stick to my build for now?) and 1 Vit, leaving no extra points.

Solution?
Spear, you need 5 Str, 2 Dex per 2 level, leaving 3 extra points. Let's say I keep adding 2 Vit for arguments sake, leaving me with 1 extra point I can put into Mag to possibly use higher level magic weapon, well 'higher' means a tiny winy little better than a Wand of Color, but still nowhere near half of my level (54 mag at lvl 100)... but still, at least I could use 'better' weapon, versus being stuck with a level 14 Wand of Color.

Spear is like the average between swords and axes, damage and hit rate wise... so this seems like a more viable option for a melee-veno / foxform build... comments?

Vidalaire - Heavens Tear

Your armor's durability goes down when you get hit. Your weapon's durabiity goes down when you melee attack or cast a spell.

I honestly don't get the point of your debuff build. As a mage veno, I use amp constantly on bosses. Purge is really only useful on a few bosses. The other skills(Wallop, Mist, Stunning Blow, etc.) are good, but you're giving up your damage and the extra damage your pet would do. In a TT run, that's a lot of damage. Pets don't get the damage penalty players do. So, a veno's pet is like having another player there doing damage.

Foxform venos get the same debuffs and do good damage. You won't get the benefit of melee mastery since it's based on your weapon damage and only applies in fox form. If you wanted to be a melee veno that uses axes full time, that would make sense. However, trying to use foxform debuffs, axes to grind, and with no pet doesn't make sense to me. Other builds have the same benefits and much better damage output.

Sapheon - Dreamweaver

Your armor's durability goes down when you get hit. Your weapon's durabiity goes down when you melee attack or cast a spell.

I honestly don't get the point of your debuff build. As a mage veno, I use amp constantly on bosses. Purge is really only useful on a few bosses. The other skills(Wallop, Mist, Stunning Blow, etc.) are good, but you're giving up your damage and the extra damage your pet would do. In a TT run, that's a lot of damage. Pets don't get the damage penalty players do. So, a veno's pet is like having another player there doing damage.

Foxform venos get the same debuffs and do good damage. You won't get the benefit of melee mastery since it's based on your weapon damage and only applies in fox form. If you wanted to be a melee veno that uses axes full time, that would make sense. However, trying to use foxform debuffs, axes to grind, and with no pet doesn't make sense to me. Other builds have the same benefits and much better damage output.

OMG you read my mind b:shocked

That's exactly all the doubts I had about my Veno.

Let me explain why I made this build, and hopefully you can help me more?

Veno full HA is what I was looking for. Well, to tank basically. I know I don't have AoEs / Aggro-holding skill so I will never be as efficient as a Barb, but my point is to max out survivability in the front lines.

So, compared with a Rob Veno which is a dime a dozen... I can be up there beside the main tank.

While my damage is not comparable with other Venos', my only usage is to go up there and debuff, since I don't have a pet to heal and nothing to watch out for, all I need to do (or all I can do) is debuff.

Therefore, my magic weapon damage is of no concern to me, but the durability is what I was worried about...

If it still doesn't make any sense, maybe I just made a very dumb build lol

Leaderalan - Lost City

very nice info but no one agrees rofl

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

By the tone of a GM post I would not be surprized if the "fix" is a change in the description of the skill

This may be an opinion held only by me, but changing Fox Form to only be with a Magical Weapon equipped would create the problem of not being able to change out of Fox Form if your weapon broke, for whatever reason. The argument of "your weapon should always be in good repair" ignores the fact that Fox Form venos use melee attacks which cause the weapon to lose durability much much faster than a veno that is casting spells, and Magic Weapons have less durability than Melee Weapons of the same level.

Vulpes - Dreamweaver

Alternate 1 vit and 1 mag. That'll get you 50 mag at level 95
Get +16 in magic.
Get a 2-socket mirage sword.

The extra damage far outweighs a mere 50 vitality