Demon Beastial Onslaught

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  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    What? Now, why even argue whether sage or demon is better at PK?

    Seriously folks, Heaven is good for PvE and Demon is good for PvP. Its a generalisation, yes, but it holds good for all classes.

    Theres a reason why demon WBs are rare on PvE servers and why Sage WBs are rare on PvP servers (no offense intended to these).

    But in terms of skills and specializations, demon barbs can wipe the floor with all classes and Sage barbs are pretty much going to be the last guy standing.

    And as for paying attention to just '1' skill. The demon 89 skills are by far much better to the sage 89s (10% hp vs 50% full dmg?). But I'm still gonna go sage, because I like to tank. Choose by what you want to do.

    The later level skills seem to balance out a bit more I think.
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  • Arravis - Lost City
    Arravis - Lost City Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And as for paying attention to just '1' skill. The demon 89 skills are by far much better to the sage 89s (10% hp vs 50% full dmg?). But I'm still gonna go sage, because I like to tank. Choose by what you want to do.

    Also remember, Sage barbs can give themselves 50 chi every minute, even while tanking. Can be extremely useful in bad situations b:victory
  • _BioHazarD_ - Heavens Tear
    _BioHazarD_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The demon 89 skills are by far much better to the sage 89s (10% hp vs 50% full dmg?)
    Dont think so. The demon true form is the only better then sage skill at lvl 89 .
    What about if we compare that way : 40% def+10% hp + mp rec vs 50%
    weapon att ?
    And sage's get better bonus then demon in this skills too : alcarity , penetrate armor , swell , beast king insparation .
    Also remember, Sage barbs can give themselves 50 chi every minute, even while tanking.
    Can u explane this please?
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if u choose sage u'll have a spammable skill that gives 50 chi when u want
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  • Neltharius - Heavens Tear
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Arravis
    You made some good points
    However, I was not saying that sage is better PK
    I was just saying that it's not impossible to PK with it which seems to be what everybody thinks
    I wasn't saying that a barb should hit and run either. I was saying that Sage Beastial Onslaught guarantees hits with the people who hit and run YOU.
    And I also wasn't saying that Demon can't tank well. Hell, they can tank the **** out of most everything, I also just pointed out that the skills that a Sage gets is better for that. No need for the cooldown on Flesh Ream to be lower since the cooldown is already short enough to be spammed enough to keep aggro from even the highest DD.
    Towards the end you also talk about the 89 skill books
    I agree that not all of them go to Sage,
    But have you checked the 99 skill books ?
    Hands down, those go to Sage.

    Overall, a 90s Demon Barb might be better than a Sage
    But when you hit 100, Sage Barbs are kings of PW.
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kings of pw ? <.< why ?
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  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _BioHazarD_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What about if we compare that way : 40% def+10% hp + mp rec vs 50%
    weapon att ?

    Well hello fellow Hazard b:chuckle

    OK this is what I think:
    Tigerform: 10% hp versus full damage. +10%hp is like +1-1.5K for most people and I don't think that will make that much of a difference tanking. For grinding obviously the full damage is better.

    Shapeshifting Intensify: +40% def vs +2% crit. As a tanker I beleive the +40% defense is awesome, but:
    1. +40% = probably 1% increase in phy damage reduction at with how much pdef we already have.
    2. The skillbook is a rare and drops only in FB99.
    _BioHazarD_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And sage's get better bonus then demon in this skills too : alcarity , penetrate armor , swell , beast king insparation .

    Alclarity: yeah 800 damage is better than a 1sec cooldown reduction I guess.
    Penetrate armor: yep more pdef reduction.
    Swell: I dont use it much (mines still at lvl1) but for aoe a reduced cooldown to me sounds better than the 50% increased range.
    Beast King's Inspiration: So instead of buffing every 30mins you only need to buff every sixty minutes? Not much of a improvement. I'd rather have 50% more chi to spam devour and flesh ream and sunder and invoke b:chuckle.

    But again all of these skill books are rare and drop in FB99. So you're gonna be hard pressed to get these at 89.

    Edit: I agree with the sentiment that at 100+ with all skills learnt the sage and demon are balanced (very different, but balanced). But without all the skills (only FB89 skills i.e. garotte, stomp of beast king and trueform) the demons will have a much better time than the sages.
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  • Arravis - Lost City
    Arravis - Lost City Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _BioHazarD_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Dont think so. The demon true form is the only better then sage skill at lvl 89 .
    What about if we compare that way : 40% def+10% hp + mp rec vs 50%
    weapon att ?
    And sage's get better bonus then demon in this skills too : alcarity , penetrate armor , swell , beast king insparation .

    Although some skills are listed as level 89 skills, only three of those drop from FB89: Stomp of the Beast King, Garotte, and True Form. Penetrate armor, etc. and all the other skills you listed above come from FB99 last boss, and are VERY hard to obtain. You can get them from other methods such as GV, but it's still difficult.

    The 50% weapon atk give-back in hell tiger only means you'll be fighting with full efficiency while using it; no regret, no mercy.
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But have you checked the 99 skill books ?
    Hands down, those go to Sage.

    Demon sunder = 100% crit for 5 seconds.
    Demon perdition = 10% more damage.

    Always critting a perdition that deals 10% more damage? Not quite sure how much better in PVP that can get.

    Sage Perdition's 15% cut might be useful, but there's no reason to be conservative in pk; you have to give everything you have to take down your target.

    Heaven sunder might give you back more HP and is better for solo grinding, but hey, when you hit 99, I somehow doubt you're still going to be soloing.

    (SoT and Frighten are debateable, as both give rather nice bonuses.)
    Overall, a 90s Demon Barb might be better than a Sage
    But when you hit 100, Sage Barbs are kings of PW.

    Somehow, I think being level 100 would mean more than just whether you were heaven or hell...Level 100 is not something to just theorize about, seeing how hard it is to actually get up there.
  • Neltharius - Heavens Tear
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Kings of pw ? <.< why ?

    just because i said so
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just because i said so
    noob



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  • CornHilario - Heavens Tear
    CornHilario - Heavens Tear Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just because i said so

    noob



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  • w00tness94
    w00tness94 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just because i said so

    noob



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  • Killgar - Heavens Tear
    Killgar - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just because i said so

    noob



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  • Esteban - Harshlands
    Esteban - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just because i said so

    noob



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  • Ahtoot - Heavens Tear
    Ahtoot - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Guys tell me when u get fb99 skills, i do not know whether im unlucky or what.... Been in "couple" fb99 runs, getting rubbish :(

    the only skills we should compare is fb89 skills and cube skill books :)
  • Neltharius - Heavens Tear
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    noob



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    lol. idiot.
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol. idiot.

    noob



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  • CornHilario - Heavens Tear
    CornHilario - Heavens Tear Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol. idiot.

    noob



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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    the skill is:
    Allow oneself to increase 35% of critical hit rate within 6 seconds.

    allow me to emphasize:
    Allow oneself to increase 35% of critical hit rate within 6 seconds.

    get it?
    Allow oneself to increase 35% of critical hit rate within 6 seconds.

    not yet?
    Allow oneself to increase 35% of critical hit rate within 6 seconds.
  • Kalza - Sanctuary
    Kalza - Sanctuary Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the skill is:



    allow me to emphasize:



    get it?



    not yet?

    I still don't get it mind repeating? b:chuckle
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Allow oneself to increase 35% of chance to get a taco within 6 seconds.

  • Kalza - Sanctuary
    Kalza - Sanctuary Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    I know what side im going to now...the taco side ftw b:victory
    Taco spark eruption :O
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    natural gas explosion ?
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