Fix NIXES before the game dies?

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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    we all good know nixes (flesh realm) are buged
    its not annouced the same like cube bugs
    its not brake a game like a event cloths u were talking about so they dont have to rush
    but its bugged in the same way as herc in TT/HH
    i dont realy care bout it but its realy funny when venos just trying to defend themself^^
    veno without tt bug is like every other class
    veno without flesh real bug in pvp is deadb:chuckle

    We do not know, we suspect they are, but we do not know, since we have no idea what the original intention of the developers was
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  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    There is GM confirmation on the bug somewhere in the forums, can't remember where though.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There is GM confirmation on the bug somewhere in the forums, can't remember where though.

    Thank you for providing the definition of rumour. You heard somewhere that something is in a way or another, but you are unable to give us references to the sources of the information or show to us where it is.

    Nope, you have someone saying that they sent a ticket about it and got a reply that said "we looking into it". Which, is the standard reply you get when you first send a ticket.

    Also, with so many people complaining about the .in their opinion, overpowered in pvp skill, you would think they would be able to pull up the post from the GMs and use that to stop the argument if the skill is bugged or not.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Ponza - Lost City
    Ponza - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Since when is PvP about being fair?

    PK'ing is about catching an opponent unawares or at a disadvantage, and kill him before he can escape or otherwise recover. In an MMO, games have to be fair and relatively bug-free, because each player's interactions affects the experience of another player. Don't tell me if someone in this game bots, its "fair" because its on a pvp server. Or that flesh ream isn't broken. Flesh Ream is a bug because its been fixed and unfixed (due to money issues) in china. Yes it hurts the bottom line in the short run, but its better for the game in the long run for it to be fair and bug-free.
  • Eternalnub - Heavens Tear
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    we all good know nixes (flesh realm) are buged
    its not annouced the same like cube bugs
    its not brake a game like a event cloths u were talking about so they dont have to rush
    but its bugged in the same way as herc in TT/HH
    i dont realy care bout it but its realy funny when venos just trying to defend themself^^
    veno without tt bug is like every other class
    veno without flesh real bug in pvp is deadb:chuckle

    soo now herc is bugged too? lol
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    a good player can kill a veno in under 30 seconds countering the two bleeds. you have BM's running zoom fast skill. archers and clerics can easily eat the veno. PURIFY BLEED, WUT NOW? Plume shot twice, dead veno. crit few times, dead veno.

    you aim for a quick kill of the owner, if you have a charm, the damage wont even matter

    Pvp isn't even on the ground 95% of the time. Also, clerics/archers die in like 7 seconds to my sawfly bleed. With amp it's even quicker. And with my phys def at like 3100 in fox form I can charm/pot tank the hits long enough for them to bleed out.

    So imagine a LA veno with a nix and having the veno just run. They can take 2-3 people at a time easy.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Ice lay off, k.
    Anyone on the recieving end of flesh ream can tell it's bugged.

    I was merely saying that I have seen, so I'm pretty sure it's out there, GM confirmation on this.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    we all good know nixes (flesh realm) are buged
    its not annouced the same like cube bugs
    its not brake a game like a event cloths u were talking about so they dont have to rush
    but its bugged in the same way as herc in TT/HH
    i dont realy care bout it but its realy funny when venos just trying to defend themself^^
    veno without tt bug is like every other class
    veno without flesh real bug in pvp is deadb:chuckle

    Please note the part in bold. Are you saying that without flesh ream, venos have no chance in pvp?, And that flesh ream actualy gives the venos a chance to be able to survive in pvp. Sooo, how do you know that the devs did not mean for flesh ream to be working the way it is so venos actualy have a chance?
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ice lay off, k.
    Anyone on the recieving end of flesh ream can tell it's bugged.

    I was merely saying that I have seen, so I'm pretty sure it's out there, GM confirmation on this.

    Well, can you please show me where the GMs clearly state that flesh ream is bugged? if you can't it is just a rumour.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I'll try but I still don't have the hang of the search button.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Ponza - Lost City wrote: »
    PK'ing is about catching an opponent unawares or at a disadvantage, and kill him before he can escape or otherwise recover. In an MMO, games have to be fair and relatively bug-free, because each player's interactions affects the experience of another player. Don't tell me if someone in this game bots, its "fair" because its on a pvp server. Or that flesh ream isn't broken. Flesh Ream is a bug because its been fixed and unfixed (due to money issues) in china. Yes it hurts the bottom line in the short run, but its better for the game in the long run for it to be fair and bug-free.

    Do me and everyone else a favor, and go find where it states on the PW China site what exactly it was they did to the skill and why, and by "why" I don't mean what you think the reason was, but what the actual reason was.

    Ponza, do try to stay on the topic instead of straying into other topics which have nothing to do with this because it's starting to sound like you're simply complaining and nothing else.
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Ixta - Harshlands wrote: »
    Seriously.. everyone knows it.. Nixes are OP.

    You want to fix them? or see the game die?

    please.. quit the game.
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    A - Throw money at it.
  • Veekee88 - Sanctuary
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    lol Ice it start beeing realy funny
    Yes Flesh Realm is bugged = supposed to deal 25% of normal atk in PVP but deal full 100%
    Yes all pets are buged in TT/HH(Herc too)= all boses there got 150lvl and every player deal 25% of his normal atk when pets deal full 100%
    Ice u dont talk to kids so dont try to talk to us like Santa Claus still exist^^
    they are buged and GMs dont want to agree becouse it will make a problems for them even more
    we all know that b:pleased
  • Eternalnub - Heavens Tear
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lol Ice it start beeing realy funny
    Yes Flesh Realm is bugged = supposed to deal 25% of normal atk in PVP but deal full 100%
    Yes all pets are buged in TT/HH(Herc too)= all boses there got 150lvl and every player deal 25% of his normal atk when pets deal full 100%
    Ice u dont talk to kids so dont try to talk to us like Santa Claus still exist^^
    they are buged and GMs dont want to agree becouse it will make a problems for them even more
    we all know that b:pleased

    and so what if it deals 100% in TT?
  • Veekee88 - Sanctuary
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    my 100% is bout 8-10k
    with demon spark bout 18-20k
    with indine strike bout 22-24k
    with crit x2

    imagine wizard dealing 100% in pvp mode
    Dealing 100% in TT for 6 ppl in team is 30min-1h to do all boses
    without veno it takes 2h
    i see a big diferent and i think its realy unfair to be honest
    but when i decided to be wizard ill be him and ill not looking for easy way to have everything
    but its so sad that "venos" cant understand that every1 should have the same rights and everything should be fair
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lol Ice it start beeing realy funny
    Yes Flesh Realm is bugged = supposed to deal 25% of normal atk in PVP but deal full 100%
    Yes all pets are buged in TT/HH(Herc too)= all boses there got 150lvl and every player deal 25% of his normal atk when pets deal full 100%
    Ice u dont talk to kids so dont try to talk to us like Santa Claus still exist^^
    they are buged and GMs dont want to agree becouse it will make a problems for them even more
    we all know that b:pleased

    I well, if asking for the person that is saying it is a bug to please link to where the game developer or the GMs (the only ones that can say if it is a bug or just overpowered) state that it is in fact bugged is like talking to little kids than so be it.. I would think that I was actualy treating you like an adult, and expect you to please back up your arguments.

    Also you make generalizations and expect me to just accept that. I do not know that it would cause GMs more problems, so how can you possibly say that "we all know that"???

    I am not arguing that flesh ream is overpowered or that I think or not think it is bugged or not. I am just asking for people to act like the adults you claim you are, and to use the proper words and link when making statements that could only have been made by the developers.

    Example:
    Skill A is bugged. (No GM/Dev confirmation) wrong way to say it, since you do not know how the skill was originaly design and how it was supposed to work, so you cannot claim that the skill is bugged since you do not know.
    I think (or in my opinion), Skill A is bugged. (no GM/Dev confirmation) correct way to say it. You are stating your opinion, people may or may not agree with you, but it is just that, your opinion.
    According to GM XYZ(or Dev YHT), on this post (post link), they state that the Skill A is bugged. correct way to say it
    I saw somewhere that some GM said the skill was bugged. Wrong way to say it.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    **** it can't be arsed.

    @Veekee88, really? I was wondering why I was hitting 2k on chin still.
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  • Eternalnub - Heavens Tear
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Veekee88 - Sanctuary wrote: »
    my 100% is bout 8-10k
    with demon spark bout 18-20k
    with indine strike bout 22-24k
    with crit x2

    imagine wizard dealing 100% in pvp mode
    Dealing 100% in TT for 6 ppl in team is 30min-1h to do all boses
    without veno it takes 2h
    i see a big diferent and i think its realy unfair to be honest
    but when i decided to be wizard ill be him and ill not looking for easy way to have everything
    but its so sad that "venos" cant understand that every1 should have the same rights and everything should be fair

    soo better take veno in every run ^^ its like same if i start cry why venos cant zhen but others can :p
  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    i knew omglazerz would post ITT lol
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  • Ponza - Lost City
    Ponza - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do me and everyone else a favor, and go find where it states on the PW China site what exactly it was they did to the skill and why, and by "why" I don't mean what you think the reason was, but what the actual reason was.

    Ponza, do try to stay on the topic instead of straying into other topics which have nothing to do with this because it's starting to sound like you're simply complaining and nothing else.

    How about YOU staying on topic, instead of finding petty reasons to bash or discredit me? If you believe that Flesh Ream as is is fine and doesn't require an adjustment, then I'm sorry, you've never actually played a game where the devs care about player experience.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i knew omglazerz would post ITT lol

    What else is there to do? b:puzzled
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  • RogueFox - Heavens Tear
    RogueFox - Heavens Tear Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    wanna know somethin

    they will never fix the nix skill

    the game wont die, just other classes




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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Ponza - Lost City wrote: »
    How about YOU staying on topic, instead of finding petty reasons to bash or discredit me? If you believe that Flesh Ream as is is fine and doesn't require an adjustment, then I'm sorry, you've never actually played a game where the devs care about player experience.

    For starters, I'm not bashing you, just pointing out how your post comes across. Second, asking you to back up your statement with fact and not opinion is not an attempt to discredit you, it's giving you a chance to back your statement up. Third, at no point have I given my opinion on whether or not flesh ream is fine as is; however, I have said on multiple occasions that the GMs have not said anything beyond "we are looking into it".
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  • chipsing1234
    chipsing1234 Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Why can't people (mainly venos and their non-leveling other class alts) just accept that it's a bug? It's a fact that's well known: pet bleed damage isn't reduced in PvP. Even Saitada, the infamous sharp tongued veno defender acknowledges it. Having genies that cure bleed doesn't make it "fixed". What was the cooldown for that again? No, flesh ream dmg isn't reduced in battle, when literally everything else is. That makes it an overpowered bug that does 4 times the damage as it should. End of story.
  • Esteban - Harshlands
    Esteban - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Takes less than 15 secs for a nixed veno (79-8x) to kill meh b:chuckle

    I phail :( but hey at least I haven't spent 1 cent on the game b:victory

    But I wonder.. If you spend 250 bucks on getting your gear and getting it "+" will it be as deadly as a nix?
  • chipsing1234
    chipsing1234 Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Esteban - Harshlands wrote: »
    Takes less than 15 secs for a nixed veno (79-8x) to kill meh b:chuckle

    I phail :( but hey at least I haven't spent 1 cent on the game b:victory

    But I wonder.. If you spend 250 bucks on getting your gear and getting it "+" will it be as deadly as a nix?

    You forget, many nix/herc venos haven't spent an actual cent on their legendary pets either. It's too bad other classes don't have a similar option.
  • Esteban - Harshlands
    Esteban - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    chipsing1234 wrote: »
    You forget, many nix/herc venos haven't spent an actual cent on their legendary pets either. It's too bad other classes don't have a similar option.

    Does that mean spending 250$ on my gear wont make me as deadly?

    /uninstalls
  • chipsing1234
    chipsing1234 Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Esteban - Harshlands wrote: »
    Does that mean spending 250$ on my gear wont make me as deadly?

    /uninstalls

    I meant like a $250 item from the boutique. But hmm, depends on what level you're talking about. If you mean by lvl 9x when you should refine your gear to the max, then chances are the nix veno will have enough coin to do the same...
  • Esteban - Harshlands
    Esteban - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    chipsing1234 wrote: »
    I meant like a $250 item from the boutique. But hmm, depends on what level you're talking about. If you mean by lvl 9x when you should refine your gear to the max, then chances are the nix veno will have enough coin to do the same...

    So that means that at the end we will be in the same boat with them having the advantage because of the nix?
  • chipsing1234
    chipsing1234 Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Esteban - Harshlands wrote: »
    So that means that at the end we will be in the same boat with them having the advantage because of the nix?

    Most likely. I mean as a barb you're pretty hard to kill already, but venos are famous for their money making advantage, and nixes only speed that up (seen how fast they grind?). If they get enough coin to buy a herc, which is very probable (nix/herc venos are growing), then they'll definitely have a lot more income than you. In fact with herc, and good TT prices, I've seen a veno make 20 mil in 9 days (though this was back when TT70 mats were still 400k+ each). But hey, they're venos, if you lose to one who abused bleed, no one will blame you :P.

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