Does this violate the ToS
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Yes, it does.Ok, I want to know if this violates the ToS. If I am a high level venomancer and I decide to spawn my pet in a low level area, say Western Outskirts. I go afk and let my high level pet kill everything that agros me (defense mode). The blows that hit me barely tickle and I regen HP to fast. My pet doesn't lose loyalty because I have a xmas blessing. And I seem to have accidentally dropped an eraser on the loot button. I barely get any exp, but if i decide to leave it on overnight...
These are rules that I found that might apply.
# (k) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Games or the Service;
# (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players
Would the said scenario above violate these rules?==/Senior QA Lead/==
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Then why zhen doesnt violate ToS if this techique does?0
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Because MOST people don't go afk during zhen, too high a chance of getting killed while not paying attention due to too many mobs.0
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MOST? Its really THAT hard to control ppl that are stationary in one place for like hours? Whats the fun in being in front of the computer without actually doing anything? Oh, Ill just look for a hour at my bubble....
They just dont control it, thats my opinion. Zhen=usd0 -
Catshops don't get you exp. And afk healing, really? You should stay at your comp when healing. >_>
I heal while afk all the time.
And I thought that those Zhenning skills were meant for that purpose... I mean... what other reason can you find for it? AoE skills that constantly burn MP, but items that refill MP constantly... It's like putting 2 and 2 together.
Not only that, but if you go afk during a zhen GG if you get crashed. I actually look to see if the EP is afk as to waste his heiro more.
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Well for ONE you have to watch your HP, you zhen on higher level mobs so there's a GOOD chance that if your puller brings too many they ACTUALLY CAN kill you, so you have to keep an eye on your hp, charm, and be ready to pop potions.
And the TOS doesn't say you have to DO anything while you sit at your computer, you just have to BE THERE. If it doesn't sound fun to you then here's an idea: DON"T DO IT and quit QQing about it.0 -
I did it on my priest on LC, when doing I boring hh boss just block the heal button or put bubble on and go away. When spamming Ironheart you cant even chat, whats the point in staying in front of the computer?
See.... or we are ALL banned or thise great trick should be allower, you just using a GAME FUNCTION.0 -
Eliathel - Lost City wrote: »Then why zhen doesnt violate ToS if this techique does?
Because i'm sure that being afk while you are in a party with players that play the game actively, letting you leech exp from their 'grinding' doesn't violate the ToS.
If you can't see the difference between that and being afk while letting your pet botting for you...0 -
Excuse me, but youre NOT leeching, bcs you are HELPING THEM. You leech if you dont do anything, but once you started healing then youre doing something, ergo you should be in front of the pc.
Leeching just being afk is completely different from healing afk.0 -
Oh my days you people. You realize in the first post, she's said she "accidentally" left an eraser on the loot button... so now she's afk sleeping while she's grinding safely and looting... hell she could do it for DAYS on end without anything happening...
Zhenning requires people to be there to pull, or whatnot. If you choose to go afk while doing it, it'd be against the TOS according to this, but since 90% of the people don't, the GMs don't bother.
It's not that big of a deal... Just crash the zhen if you don't wanna see it up.No hiding in room 32 NPC.
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i came from a game where every form of cheating was allowed(silkroad online) and to see that the GM's will stop this does my heart good. srry about ur luck, but i think the majority of players want a fair game. i was glad to see the mods reply. all that stuff, bots, exploits, etc. etc. ruin games. just another reason i LOVE this game.b:dirty0
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....and how do you necessarily know its a GM talking to you? they dont have GM on their name in whisp. and i've been in areas with one, and spoken to by them, and never seen any difference in their whisps.
im not defending the botting, but i would hate to be nailed for going afk because i have my character parked somewhere in meditation mode or sitting,which i often do if i have to go take care of the kids and dont feel like turning off the game.OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »If a GM whispers you, and you didn't whisper them first it's usually a good idea to respond even it it's just a '?".
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Oh... then since 90% (didnt know you did some studies to write down such accurate statistics) do zhen not afk, then gm are actually allowing some 10% of afk agains ToS. Then since there will be only one person (the op owner) it wouldnt matter, its only one person. <<<< thats being stupid, ofc. But then GM should be more responsabile and check every zhen.
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Yes, it does.
Could you explain please?
Looking at the quoted rules:
# (k) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Games or the Service;
# (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players
Cheating: erm.. NO
Exploit: its a feature in the game, why else does defense mode exist at all?
Bugs: Defense mode works as described, its not bugged.
Errors: certainly doesnt cause any error
Design flaws: Back to the first point, defense mode was designed to engage mobs attacking the player.
Then of course ppl are fast to take things out of context, the last half of the same statement reads "to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players". how can you only use the first part of the 'rule' and not the second half with it?
Unauth access obviousley refers to proxying in from blacklisted regions.
Unfair advantage? This is a feature of the veno class, so in essence you're saying playng a veno class and utilizing its features = unfair advantage?
Seriousley GM's I know ur trying to do a good job but for crying out loud, there is such a thing as trying to hard you know.
First of all the idea proposed obviousley doesnt work very well or everyone would already be doing it on all the other servers.
Second your own TOS does not even come close to implying that its wrong and still you say it is?
If you really want to be that way I want to see a clause added to the TOS that says "You are not allowed to gain exp while not playing your character".
Then as abovementioned examples with leeching/watching movies/browsing pornz/etc while in zhen/party/etc really starts to come into play. Not to mention the auto navigation system, why exactly is that in the game if you say its against the rules for players to go afk while their chars remain in the playing field?0 -
FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »....and how do you necessarily know its a GM talking to you? they dont have GM on their name in whisp. and i've been in areas with one, and spoken to by them, and never seen any difference in their whisps.
im not defending the botting, but i would hate to be nailed for going afk because i have my character parked somewhere in meditation mode or sitting,which i often do if i have to go take care of the kids and dont feel like turning off the game.
You know the umm... GM whisper is the only time you'll get a whisper from "GM"... right?
At that point you try to respond to them, but you end up typing "/GM" which pops up that box you can't edit that says "I'm stuck!"
So ya. You have to know the GM that whispers you which kinda sucks. :S
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Just get over it. You're really complaining about a part of the game that's not an exploit. So what if he goes afk? So what if he doesn't? And I don't give 2 sheets about PvE xD
Anywhoodles off I go. Maint = Sleep.
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Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »Could you explain please?
Looking at the quoted rules:
# (k) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Games or the Service;
# (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players
Cheating: erm.. NO
Exploit: its a feature in the game, why else does defense mode exist at all?
Bugs: Defense mode works as described, its not bugged.
Errors: certainly doesnt cause any error
Design flaws: Back to the first point, defense mode was designed to engage mobs attacking the player.
Then of course ppl are fast to take things out of context, the last half of the same statement reads "to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players". how can you only use the first part of the 'rule' and not the second half with it?
Unauth access obviousley refers to proxying in from blacklisted regions.
Unfair advantage? This is a feature of the veno class, so in essence you're saying playng a veno class and utilizing its features = unfair advantage?
Seriousley GM's I know ur trying to do a good job but for crying out loud, there is such a thing as trying to hard you know.
First of all the idea proposed obviousley doesnt work very well or everyone would already be doing it on all the other servers.
Second your own TOS does not even come close to implying that its wrong and still you say it is?
If you really want to be that way I want to see a clause added to the TOS that says "You are not allowed to gain exp while not playing your character".
Then as abovementioned examples with leeching/watching movies/browsing pornz/etc while in zhen/party/etc really starts to come into play. Not to mention the auto navigation system, why exactly is that in the game if you say its against the rules for players to go afk while their chars remain in the playing field?
Umm. The part where she said she "accidentally" left an eraser on the loot button. At that point it's not sitting outside safe zone letting aggro mobs attack her and gaining minimal exp. She's now making a profit off of it, and could acquire an item other players wouldn't normally recieve while she's not ever there to get it herself. That's called an unfair advantage because she's going out of her way to find a way to not have to do things how everyone has to do them or the "mainstream" way implemented into the game.
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Smexxyfox, what you're doing is serching the ToS for leaked paragraphs that may not define and exclud a very special issue for 100%, ignoring the fact thats its obviously a kind of botting...0
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the afk on defense might not be against the rules but using something to hold down a button to loot will probably make it against the rules. that is using a way outside game mechanics to gain an advantage. the afk defense would depend on GM interpretation but no different than afk zhens which happen all the time.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? ITS CALLED GRAVITY. GRAVITY=OUTSIDE GAME MECHANICS=CHEATING. IF YOU GO BY THAT THAN WE ARE ALL CHEATING BECAUSE WE USE OUR FINGERS. FINGERS/BRAIN/BODY=OUTSIDE GAME MECHANICS.
What? And are you going to say that YOU are part of the game, yeah. Defenitely.
Its called "common sense" which is pretty much dead these days.
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You're a bit late there, Common Sense died years ago; when the internet was born.0
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So Zhen is not a fair advantage..........
Youre dueling to make something work as its intended (but its not working), so youre actually exploiting something... but ok, we dont care about that bcs youre buying GOLD.
Defenso mode=cheap. Almost nothing. Oh, then it does violate the code.
Since GM can actually ban you bcs they dont like you, it doesnt matter what ToS say. All im saying is that this issue exist only bcs this technique dont cost gold. Simple as that.
You can all discuss, they will still ban you. And they wont ban zheners, why? Bcs they spend money and they are those who mantain the game.
Theres nothing we can do about this. Its not a democracy. Its Zhenacy.0 -
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Okay...how about defense mode WITHOUT the looting and leaving pet activated skill be boost so it heals itself? That still against the rules?0
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How is zhenning theorectically against the ToS? If someone goes afk sure, but they aren't zhenning then are they.
Didn't know killing mobs in groups was against the ToS. Have I misread something?
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Yes, I misread.
The Adracil said "but only if they go away". No need to bit.c* about them allowing zhenning because they mean if you go away. nothing to do with profits.*************************************
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