Make your Ranger STAND OUT in PVP

Leaderalan - Lost City

How would you stand out VS and Archer your level?

From what I found out:

1. One Strength Four Dexterity every level

2. (+Physical Attack) should be used for weapon sockets.

3. (+Heath) should be used for Armor sockets.

4. Only buy skills you would use in pvp.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=250232
stunning arrow-Is my fav so far.

5. CrossBows are best for pvp, becouse of the high damage.

6. Charms Help sooo much.

7. Demon or Sage will have a big effect over your player.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=247521


Sage Vs Demon Information by:ch2h5oh

ch2h5oh wrote: »

Sage Vs Demon

Constant damage increase Vs Spike damage rate increase
Magic attack attributes gained Vs A will-never-miss metal arow
Extra passive range Vs Extra critical rate
Defensive spark Vs Offensive spark

Gain 50 chi once every 60 seconds only Vs Burn 50 chi from your target every 30 seconds

Sage Vs Demon Information by:Devoted

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

If you wanna get to real endgame and have several or all skills available read on.
-Quickshot
-Lightning Strike
-Sharptooth
-Stun
-Wingspan
-Wings of protection
-Barrage of arrows
-Thundershock
-Winged blessing
No, I didn't just list every skill archers have. I listed the ones in which hell is waaaay better than heaven. Looking at the list I really don't wanna explain each one because there are so many.
-Quickshot
Sage version has a 50% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds.

-Lightning Strike
Sage version has a 25% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version extends cooldown by 2 seconds, but will never miss.

-Sharptooth
Sage version always reduces maximum HP by 20%.
Demon version grants a 10% increase to critical hit for 15 seconds.

-Stun
Sage version increases stun duration to 4.5 seconds.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 10% for 10 seconds.

-Wingspan
Sage version has a 20% chance to gain 50 Chi.
Demon version casts a Level 5 Winged Shell on yourself upon a successful hit.

-Wings of protection
Sage version always increases evasion duration to 1 hour and speed increase duration to 15 minutes.
Demon version always increases evasion by 50% and speed by 20%.


-Barrage of arrows
Sage version reduces damage taken during casting by 33%.
Demon version reduces the interval between attacks by 0.5 seconds.


-Thundershock
Sage version increases Metal resistance reduction to 25 seconds.
Demon version has a 10% chance to paralyze enemy for 10 seconds.

-Winged blessing
Sage version always gives a 14 meter range increase.
Demon version increases accuracy by 10% on ranged targets.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1% on ranged targets.

Information by:Devoted

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

Take Aim - max at 89 when you get level 11 book
Quickshot - max when you get level 11 book (good luck)
Blazing Arrow - max for pve
Frost Arrow - max for pve
Winged Shell - max for pvp/pve
Winged Blessing - max for pvp/pve
Flight Mastery - dont need
Lightning Strike - max for pvp
Vicious Arrow - leave at 1, useless
Knockback Arrow - leave at 1 but really good for pve
Wings of Protection - max for pvp
AimLow - max for pvp
Thunder shock - max for pvp
Bow/Arbalest Mastery - max for pvp/pve
Serrated Arrow | Fanged Arrow - leave at 1
Stunning Arrow - max for pvp
Wingspan - not really necessary to max right away. only good for pvp against robes that are close range. max when you get level 11 book
Thunderous Blast - max for pvp
Deadly Shot - max for pre 89 pvp
Sharpened Tooth Arrow - max for pvp and pve
Barrage of Arrows | Arrow Bombard - the level of this depends on if you zhen or only use for tw. if you are only using for tw level 10 is great but if you want to zhen (without **** mp charm) leave at low levels
Stormrage Eagleon - dont ever get
Wings of Grace - get asap
missed winged pledge - same as wingspan

max = get every chance you can, you will have to prioritize your skills as you wont be able to keep each one at max till higher levels.[/QUOTE]

Read it all at:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=263481

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http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=250232
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If your looking for a guild check this out.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=278312

Horseman - Sanctuary

Better gear? Better brains? You cant have better skills or better raw stats ...

Annor - Heavens Tear

The basics are not complicated:
Pure damage build: 4dex-1str
High damage weapon (preferrably crossbow)
High HP armor
Refines, Soulgems

The demon/sage discussion is somewhat more complicated... you dont have to come to a decision on that until 89 though.

Mvm - Lost City

For me, Demon, archers should go attack path, seems the only way out for me. But.... a long way to go for me.

Annor - Heavens Tear

Its not as simple as Demon:Attack, Sage:Defense.
To BRIEFLY look at the demon/sage argument.

Demon has:
A more potent spark eruption
More critical

Sage has:
Better damage passives
50 chi/60 seconds skill
Slightly more range


So one could argue that when it comes to 1:1, demon wins out, as that singular spark eruption very regularly spells victory (note that generating 300 chi for eruption is no easy feat in heated gameplay). But when it comes to TW situations, it is easy to see the merit of sage, with that 50 chi gain ability to help you get up to that 2 spark devastating Barrage (or other potent chi abilities).

I went demon, but i remain very hesitant to say that one is better than the other.

ArwenFrost - Heavens Tear

yea its hard to say whether sage or demon is best, because if this was the case, all archers would be either sage or demon. Each have their benefits and it basically depends on how you play your archer and which suits your playing style best. Sage 50 chi skill w/ 60 seconds cooldown btw.

Annor - Heavens Tear

ahhh, ty my bad ^^

sakuya

So would a Sage archer be more PVE and TW oriented, while Hell is more PVP oriented?

Leaderalan - Lost City

Thats what it is starting to look like.

Sage= Pve
Sage= Teams
Sage= Mana and chi

Demons=Pvp
Demon=Pk
Demon=Solo 1hit killer

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

Thats what it is starting to look like.

Sage= Pve
Sage= Teams
Sage= Mana and chi

Demons=Pvp
Demon=Pk
Demon=Solo 1hit killer

Further from the truth, being a level 29 it doesn't sound like you know anything on the matter.


From a damage prospective:


Demon : 1 target focus bursts

Sage : 1/many target consistent




Demons can shove a lot of attack power in a small amount of time. But the damage is inconsistently high. Moreover once that period expires, demons are left in a rather funny situation


Sages deal more damage over time, and consistently too.


The key word here is TIME





From a TW Prospective:


Demons are likely to run out kill solo and run back for cover.

Sages are likely to stay with the crowd drenching targets with high damage hits.





Both are suitable for PvE, and PvP.

In the end its a matter of preference.



Sages dont shine until they get a hefty number of skill books for sage skills. Demon's are a little cheaper, all you need are some key skills and your ready to go.

Leaderalan - Lost City

looks like you just backed up what i said for the most part.

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

looks like you just backed up what i said for the most part.

Far from it.

Where did I say Sage = PvE and Demon = PvP.


I didn't agree to anything in that post of yours.



Perhaps you should take more time levelling than speculating.

Leaderalan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

Further from the truth, being a level 29 it doesn't sound like you know anything on the matter.


From a damage prospective:


Demon : 1 target focus bursts

Sage : 1/many target consistent




Demons can shove a lot of attack power in a small amount of time. But the damage is inconsistently high. Moreover once that period expires, demons are left in a rather funny situation


Sages deal more damage over time, and consistently too.


The key word here is TIME





From a TW Prospective:


Demons are likely to run out kill solo and run back for cover.

Sages are likely to stay with the crowd drenching targets with high damage hits.





Both are suitable for PvE, and PvP.

In the end its a matter of preference.



Sages dont shine until they get a hefty number of skill books for sage skills. Demon's are a little cheaper, all you need are some key skills and your ready to go.

Demons are likely to run out kill solo
Sages are likely to stay with the crowd

Demons Got a better damage % added
Sages Got a better mp & chi % added

d0pey

We can only choose one of them permanently? And not Demon for awhile and switch to Sage after awhile? b:chuckle oh, Btw I heard Sage gets like 500% extra attack at 1 point, forgot about it but it seems stronger than Demon's?

Leaderalan - Lost City

Depends what skill.

Go to this site and tell me what one you like


http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php

Mosz - Heavens Tear

d0pey wrote: »

We can only choose one of them permanently? And not Demon for awhile and switch to Sage after awhile? b:chuckle oh, Btw I heard Sage gets like 500% extra attack at 1 point, forgot about it but it seems stronger than Demon's?

thats prolly referring to the take aim (sage more powerful) or spark skill (sage has def bonus demon ATTACK SPEED AHHHHH everything dies)

BloodCountes - Heavens Tear

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

Other thread
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=250401


How would you make an elite ranger, "one that is better then others your level"?

Also Sage Vs Demon? What way to go?

You need great weapon (xbow if u like to pvp), you need good gears to survive longer (you should refine them), but most of all - your weapon has main priority.
Of course - lvl your skills.

All that needs money.

At lvl 80 I have 3.9k hp, and my squall is still + 3 with only 1 flawless garnet - > + 5 with 1 more garnet will be xpensive but worthy. b:dirty

Sage or demon - both are good but I am going sage.

ch2h5oh

Sage Vs Demon
Constant damage increase Vs Spike damage rate increase
Magic attack attributes gained Vs A will-never-miss metal arow
Extra passive range Vs Extra critical rate
Defensive spark Vs Offensive spark
Gain 50 chi once every 60 seconds only Vs Burn 50 chi from your target every 30 seconds

Leaderalan - Lost City

ch2h5oh wrote: »

Sage Vs Demon
Constant damage increase Vs Spike damage rate increase
Magic attack attributes gained Vs A will-never-miss metal arow
Extra passive range Vs Extra critical rate
Defensive spark Vs Offensive spark
Gain 50 chi once every 60 seconds only Vs Burn 50 chi from your target every 30 seconds

Mind if i put this on first page?
Of my other thread, and this one this is great info!

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

Demons are likely to run out kill solo
Sages are likely to stay with the crowd

Demons Got a better damage % added
Sages Got a better mp & chi % added

The first 2 lines are right,

Second 2 lines are wayy off.


Demons have a better attack rate and spikes.

Sages have a better damage percentage added.



Dont get the two confused.

Leaderalan - Lost City

This is from most if no all archer skills.


Sage version converts all physical damage inflicted into Water damage
Demon version has a 20% to cast without using Chi, instead gaining 35 Chi.


Sage version burns 100 mana each time the target takes poison damage.
Demon version reduces the poison duration to 12 seconds

Sage version always reduces maximum HP by 20%.
Demon version grants a 10% increase to critical hit for 15 seconds.

Sage version has a 25% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version extends cooldown by 2 seconds, but will never miss. [/color]

Sage version increases Metal resistance reduction to 25 seconds.
Demon version has a 10% chance to paralyze enemy for 10 seconds.

Sage version reduces channeling time to 2 seconds and coodown to 7 seconds.
Demon version gives an extra 800 damage.

Sage version reduces target's physical and magic defense by 20%.
Demon version only lasts 15 seconds, but slows the enemy by 50%

Sage version always gives a 14 meter range increase.
Demon version increases accuracy by 10% on ranged targets.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1% on ranged targets.

Sage version always gives 500% of weapon damage.
Demon version reduces the charge time required by 0.5 seconds

Sage version has a 50% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds.

Sage version has a 25% chance to seal the enemy for 5 seconds.
Demon version always gives a 25% chance to stun the enemy for 3 seconds.

Sage version increases stun duration to 4.5 seconds.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 10% for 10 seconds.

Sage version makes nearby enemies take full damage as well.
Demon version increases damage by 500 and reduces cooldown to 10 seconds.

Sage version reduces damage taken during casting by 33%.
Demon version reduces the interval between attacks by 0.5
seconds.

Sage version absorbs up to a total of 1250 damage.
Demon version increases maximum duration to 30 seconds and maximum absorb times to 10.

Sage version reduces cooldown to 1 second.
Demon version has a 25% chance to reduce enemy speed by 50% for 5 seconds.

Sage version has a 20% chance to gain 50 Chi.
Demon version casts a Level 5 Winged Shell on yourself upon a successful hit.

Sage version always gives a 90% increase to ranged weapon attack.
Demon version increases ranged weapon critical hit rate by 1%.

Sage version always increases evasion duration to 1 hour and speed increase duration to 15 minutes.
Demon version always increases evasion by 50% and speed by 20%.

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

This is from most if no all archer skills.


Sage version converts all physical damage inflicted into Water damage
Demon version has a 20% to cast without using Chi, instead gaining 35 Chi.


Sage version burns 100 mana each time the target takes poison damage.
Demon version reduces the poison duration to 12 seconds

Sage version always reduces maximum HP by 20%.
Demon version grants a 10% increase to critical hit for 15 seconds.

Sage version has a 25% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version extends cooldown by 2 seconds, but will never miss. [/color]

Sage version increases Metal resistance reduction to 25 seconds.
Demon version has a 10% chance to paralyze enemy for 10 seconds.

Sage version reduces channeling time to 2 seconds and coodown to 7 seconds.
Demon version gives an extra 800 damage.

Sage version reduces target's physical and magic defense by 20%.
Demon version only lasts 15 seconds, but slows the enemy by 50%

Sage version always gives a 14 meter range increase.
Demon version increases accuracy by 10% on ranged targets.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1% on ranged targets.

Sage version always gives 500% of weapon damage.
Demon version reduces the charge time required by 0.5 seconds

Sage version has a 50% chance to gain 20 additional Chi.
Demon version has a 50% chance to increase attack rate by 30% for 6 seconds.

Sage version has a 25% chance to seal the enemy for 5 seconds.
Demon version always gives a 25% chance to stun the enemy for 3 seconds.

Sage version increases stun duration to 4.5 seconds.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 10% for 10 seconds.

Sage version makes nearby enemies take full damage as well.
Demon version increases damage by 500 and reduces cooldown to 10 seconds.

Sage version reduces damage taken during casting by 33%.
Demon version reduces the interval between attacks by 0.5
seconds.

Sage version absorbs up to a total of 1250 damage.
Demon version increases maximum duration to 30 seconds and maximum absorb times to 10.

Sage version reduces cooldown to 1 second.
Demon version has a 25% chance to reduce enemy speed by 50% for 5 seconds.

Sage version has a 20% chance to gain 50 Chi.
Demon version casts a Level 5 Winged Shell on yourself upon a successful hit.

Sage version always gives a 90% increase to ranged weapon attack.
Demon version increases ranged weapon critical hit rate by 1%.

Sage version always increases evasion duration to 1 hour and speed increase duration to 15 minutes.
Demon version always increases evasion by 50% and speed by 20%.

You honestly need to stop doing speculating and actually get there.


Firstly, the passive winged blessing gave sages 2 extra meters

Secondly, the passive Bow Master gave sages a 90% damage increase as opposed to the Demons 75% and 1% critical.


Thirdly, deadly shot of a sage becomes AOE, thus making it much more effective for the purpose of dealing damage

Fourthly, Sage Thunder Shock increases the duration of the metal debuff time, allowing extra shots before the debuff wears out. This again allows more damage to be dealt over time


Fifthly, the sage Stunning arrow increases its duration making it much more effective as a stun overall, again allowing them to deal more damage without harm.


Sixthly, the sage blazing arrow adds another 10% passive in fire damage. Demon only adds 70% for a small amount of time after casting before it returns back to 50.


Sage, sharpened tooth reduces HP by 20% as opposed to 16%. Thats less damage they have to deal to kill their opponites.



Sages are designed to deal more damage, consistently.

Demons are designed to spike high for a short amount of time.



Please dont spout nonsense Leaderalan. Reading the skills off doesn't make on PvP or PvE oriented. Saying that is being nearly as dumb as Johnnie who sticks magic defense shards into his armor...



Get to level 89, go sage or demon, and find out for yourself. Its time for you to stop speculating, and stop writing guides which, if its not alreadly blatantly obvious, you are not qualified to write.

Leaderalan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

You honestly need to stop doing speculating and actually get there.


Firstly, the passive winged blessing gave sages 2 extra meters

Secondly, the passive Bow Master gave sages a 90% damage increase as opposed to the Demons 75% and 1% critical.


Thirdly, deadly shot of a sage becomes AOE, thus making it much more effective for the purpose of dealing damage

Fourthly, Sage Thunder Shock increases the duration of the metal debuff time, allowing extra shots before the debuff wears out. This again allows more damage to be dealt over time


Fifthly, the sage Stunning arrow increases its duration making it much more effective as a stun overall, again allowing them to deal more damage without harm.


Sixthly, the sage blazing arrow adds another 10% passive in fire damage. Demon only adds 70% for a small amount of time after casting before it returns back to 50.


Sage, sharpened tooth reduces HP by 20% as opposed to 16%. Thats less damage they have to deal to kill their opponites.



Sages are designed to deal more damage, consistently.

Demons are designed to spike high for a short amount of time.



Please dont spout nonsense Leaderalan. Reading the skills off doesn't make on PvP or PvE oriented. Saying that is being nearly as dumb as Johnnie who sticks magic defense shards into his armor...



Get to level 89, go sage or demon, and find out for yourself. Its time for you to stop speculating, and stop writing guides which, if its not alreadly blatantly obvious, you are not qualified to write.

1."Please dont spout nonsense Leaderalan", funney you just reinstated what I said looks like your posting nonsense.

2. "Reading the skills off doesn't make on PvP or PvE oriented. Saying that is being nearly as dumb as Johnnie who sticks magic defense shards into his armor". Never said it did. IDGAF about what johnie dose.

3."speculating" Your funney these are hard facts.

You can stop posting on my guide then and make your own, don't waste both are time.

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

1."Please dont spout nonsense Leaderalan", funney you just reinstated what I said looks like your posting nonsense.

Yeah, and your not even 40 b:bye

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

3."speculating" Your funney these are hard facts.

Nothing about your opinions are hard facts.


In fact most of them are even wrong. b:bye



Everything you've said here is nothing but speculation. The only people here that have posted anything credible say there is no label "PvP" or "PvE" on a sage of a demon.

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

You can stop posting on my guide then and make your own, don't waste both are time.

I dont need to make my own, Annor posted a lovely guide already, albiet some discrepencies its fine.

You, on the other hand, are not in a place to guide anyone. You're barely through one third of the game and you think your inclined to say something about the end-game Sage and Demon...


Yeah right.


Please put a little more thought into your posts before you go about posting random rubbish.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Things are just as was said. Sage and demon works in pretty much the same way with any class.

Sage gives high, consistant damage. You KNOW the damage will be there.

Demon gives much higher, very random damage. You HOPE the damage will be there.

Leaderalan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

Nothing about your opinions are hard facts.

The list that I posted above are not opinions, maybe if you spent some time reading instead of randomly posting you would know this. Study up on skills before you start putting down others about the facts they know.

b:shutup

Leaderalan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

Yeah, and your not even 40 b:bye


You, on the other hand, are not in a place to guide anyone. You're barely through one third of the game and you think your inclined to say something about the end-game Sage and Demon...


Yeah right.


Please put a little more thought into your posts before you go about posting random rubbish.

I have the freedom of speech at the hands of my disposal; I can talk and learn about any part of the game as I wish.

It is you that should out a lot more thought into your posts before you start saying someone is wrong.

Mosz - Heavens Tear

angellicdeity wrote: »

Thirdly, deadly shot of a sage becomes AOE, thus making it much more effective for the purpose of dealing damage


Sage, sharpened tooth reduces HP by 20% as opposed to 16%. Thats less damage they have to deal to kill their opponites.



Please dont spout nonsense Leaderalan. Reading the skills off doesn't make on PvP or PvE oriented. Saying that is being nearly as dumb as Johnnie who sticks magic defense shards into his armor...



Get to level 89, go sage or demon, and find out for yourself. Its time for you to stop speculating, and stop writing guides which, if its not alreadly blatantly obvious, you are not qualified to write.

3. its not aoe from what i hear
wanna compare that 16%to 20% , then look at veno sage soul transfusion, 20% hp reduce too, oh ****, glad theres a few more demon venos i guess

about last point all in all , skills are a ***** to get except 3, might as well include a discussion for which path a warsoul is more effective(ok a bit of a stretch...kinda)

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

The list that I posted above are not opinions, maybe if you spent some time reading instead of randomly posting you would know this. Study up on skills before you start putting down others about the facts they know.

b:shutup

I dont need to study the skills... I just need the money to buy them and learn them.... b:shutup


So you might want to consider levelling up before you speakb:victory

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

I have the freedom of speech at the hands of my disposal; I can talk and learn about any part of the game as I wish.

It is you that should out a lot more thought into your posts before you start saying someone is wrong.

Freedom of speach doesn't stop people from uttering things that are absolutely wrong.


More thought? Yours dont have any b:shocked



Truth is, you're like one of those self-proclaimed economists who claim we are going to see a depression... Yet, the real ones are saying we'll have a prolonged recession with slow growth....

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

3. its not aoe from what i hear
wanna compare that 16%to 20% , then look at veno sage soul transfusion, 20% hp reduce too, oh ****, glad theres a few more demon venos i guess

about last point all in all , skills are a ***** to get except 3, might as well include a discussion for which path a warsoul is more effective(ok a bit of a stretch...kinda)

Wouldn't know about the Deadly shot yet, I cant buy it and I cant learn it (Insufficient funds and availability of the skill).


But the 20% from the 16% does make a difference.



CONSIDER: A barbarian. You wont kill one solo, but the exta 400 HP can make or break being able to tick or kill when involved in something like a TW. Though... Boss wise, I doubt you'll ever disagree as to the benefits of 20 over 16.


Albiet with demon you'd try and critical more damage than the HP that a sage took off...


Skills can be a bit difficult. More affordable than a Warsoul though. But end-game there isn't much motivation besides being able to get those skills or a warsoul, or perhaps your fairy?

Leaderalan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

I dont need to study the skills... I just need the money to buy them and learn them....


So you might want to consider levelling up before you speakb





Freedom of speach doesn't stop people from uttering things that are absolutely wrong.


More thought? Yours dont have any



Truth is, you're like one of those self-proclaimed economists who claim we are going to see a depression... Yet, the real ones are saying we'll have a prolonged recession with slow growth....




Wouldn't know about the Deadly shot yet, I cant buy it and I cant learn it (Insufficient funds and availability of the skill).


But the 20% and the 60% do make a difference.



CONSIDER: A barbarian. You wont kill one solo, but the exta 400 HP can make or break being able to tick or kill. Though... Boss wise, I doubt you'll ever disagree as to the benefits of 20 over 16.



Skills can be a bit difficult. More affordable than a Warsoul though. But end-game there isn't much motivation besides being able to get those skills or a warsoul.

When your saying my facts are wrong yes, you do need to study them.
\b:shutup

I need to level before I speak? Sorry, Unlike you I study skills not just buy them.
b:shutup

None of these facts are wrong.


No they do not have thought because it is pure fact, not Opinion like you said.
b:shutup

"self-proclaimed economists who claim we are going to see a depression... Yet, the real ones are saying we'll have a prolonged recession with slow growth.... '

WTF YOUR OUT THERE MAKEING YOUR OWN FACTS ABOUT ME.
b:shutup

Can't buy deadly shot and know nothing about it?
Try studying it.

angellicdeity

Leaderalan - Lost City wrote: »

When your saying my facts are wrong yes, you do need to study them.

I need to level before I speak? Sorry, Unlike you I study skills not just buy them.

None of these facts are wrong.


No they do not have thought because it is pure fact, not Opinion like you said.


"self-proclaimed economists who claim we are going to see a depression... Yet, the real ones are saying we'll have a prolonged recession with slow growth.... '

WTF YOUR OUT THERE MAKEING YOUR OWN FACTS ABOUT ME.

Can't buy deadly shot and know nothing about it?
Try studying it.

Thats hilarious.


You think studying skills makes you a better expert than those who possess some of them... Or someone who is in a position to actually use them if owned?


b:bye



FAIL!