Fb wines should be made BY THE PEOPLE!not you

Notgood - Heavens Tear

They're not suckers they are regular people who just want some fbs. LOL i can't believe there are so many views...most be popular b:cool.

Keyne - Heavens Tear

Raviste - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have you ever done high level FBs unwined? If so, then you would know that to clear a dungeon would take hours. Most people will not agree to help you. If we're gracious enough to help you with your quest and let you keep drops, then the wines are on you.

I have, however, contributed to the wines in the past when the tabber really did not have enough resources to make wines, and so had the rest of the squad. However, that does not mean I have to make wines for you using my own mats to run your FB. Find a different squad of suckers, please.

Btw, if you choose your one man army mobs wisely so that they coincide with your justice quests or if they are mobs with good EXP and drop rates plus a good squad, you would make more coins/get more EXP/rep than if you were doing FBs (and by FBs I don't mean 19 or 29 which are just free EXP, really).

I 100% agree with you. I never had any problems getting the wine for my FBs. I was glad to do it because I didnt want to spend hours in a dungeon to finish my FB. Quite frankly if the Tabber keeps the drops, then the tabber gets the wine, EOS.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

read comments before posting..can't say it enough.

Waterboy - Lost City

well hope u guys talkin bout fb59 wines and up 69,79 etc..

if both wines made by u =3*/molds urs
if wines made by pt=3*/molds=whoever gets it, keeps it
if u made 1 wine and 1 other made =3*/mold split
if u made 1 wine and every1 else made 1=u gurantee 1/2 3*/mold ,rest=others

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »

well hope u guys talkin bout fb59 wines and up 69,79 etc..

if both wines made by u =3*/molds urs
if wines made by pt=3*/molds=whoever gets it, keeps it
if u made 1 wine and 1 other made =3*/mold split
if u made 1 wine and every1 else made 1=u gurantee 1/2 3*/mold ,rest=others

says you...

KissonkaHUN - Heavens Tear

Yes, they take all your efforts, and helping your fb. Burden charms, and take their time to help you. And you are too lazy to gather some free materials for the run (if you dont know, there is this page, where you can find any material's location).
Best method, if you squad up your mates-friends or make your fb alone (im sure you wipe few times, but you dont need to contribute the mats).

Kazue - Heavens Tear

There are suckers in all walks of life. So i am not surprised if a tabber can find some sucker squad who'll provide wine and let him/her keep all the drops.

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

if Tabber exspect squad to gather wine and give drops to tabber still. forget it lil noob lol. lazy nubs drives me mad b:angry

anyhow. ur the first one i ever heard wanted squad to get wine for you. its not like it take that long to get mats at all... so if u wont do it is it only because your lazy. fail /palmface

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Heartstone - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if Tabber exspect squad to gather wine and give drops to tabber still. forget it lil noob lol. lazy nubs drives me mad b:angry

anyhow. ur the first one i ever heard wanted squad to get wine for you. its not like it take that long to get mats at all... so if u wont do it is it only because your lazy. fail /palmface

The problem I see with this posts is that they are made by low level people. The main problem is, once some squad let you keep the drops for FB19/29/39, mostly because the item drops are all but useless to the high levels, they will expect the same thing for all FBs, I even heard some people in WC asking for help for the FB79 and saying "you bring wine to join me, I keep all drops".
The expectations of the low level players is majorly messed up, since some people are nice and let the new players keep drops to help them on the low level FBs.

And ot help the low level people understand, read this post:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=285281

This is the reason WE are helping you. A high level group can do your FB 29 in 15 minutes, and you do not get killed. If you do not want our help, you can do it with a party of other low levels, get killed alot, loose most of your exp and take hours to complete.
As a side note. you CANNOT solo a FB, you have to be in a party to be able to tab it, and you have to be the leader.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Heartstone - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if Tabber exspect squad to gather wine and give drops to tabber still. forget it lil noob lol. lazy nubs drives me mad b:angry

anyhow. ur the first one i ever heard wanted squad to get wine for you. its not like it take that long to get mats at all... so if u wont do it is it only because your lazy. fail /palmface

I'm tied of saying this so i'll just say this..can you read or what. People IF you can READ. READ the comments before you POST! So...fail! b:beatenup

Notgood - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The problem I see with this posts is that they are made by low level people. The main problem is, once some squad let you keep the drops for FB19/29/39, mostly because the item drops are all but useless to the high levels, they will expect the same thing for all FBs, I even heard some people in WC asking for help for the FB79 and saying "you bring wine to join me, I keep all drops".
The expectations of the low level players is majorly messed up, since some people are nice and let the new players keep drops to help them on the low level FBs.

And ot help the low level people understand, read this post:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=285281

This is the reason WE are helping you. A high level group can do your FB 29 in 15 minutes, and you do not get killed. If you do not want our help, you can do it with a party of other low levels, get killed alot, loose most of your exp and take hours to complete.
As a side note. you CANNOT solo a FB, you have to be in a party to be able to tab it, and you have to be the leader.

b:chuckle comment time

1)Read my before comments "Did my 20/20/20 fb79 way back" doesn't sound like i'm a low.

2)IF that fb79 thing was a while back that was maybe me xD

3) When you mean "We" I think your talking about you in your imagery friend Steve, because people don't just do fbs for "help" (some do) but most do for greed.

4) Guess you didn't read any comments here either.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

IF YOU GUYS CAN READ! READ THE COMMENTS I SAID E.I p.1, etc BEFORE YOU POST YOUR WASTING your just wasting your time =Pb:chuckleb:coldb:sleepb:scorn

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:chuckle comment time

1)Read my before comments "Did my 20/20/20 fb79 way back" doesn't sound like i'm a low.

2)IF that fb79 thing was a while back that was maybe me xD

3) When you mean "We" I think your talking about you in your imagery friend Steve, because people don't just do fbs for "help" (some do) but most do for greed.

4) Guess you didn't read any comments here either.

Who are you again? I was replying to somoene specific and even quoted him.
I think reading compreention also applies to you......
1) And your point is????
2) Congratulations I guess???
3) If you can tell me how it is greed to loose exp/coins to help someone with ttheir FBs I would like to know. Everyone knows that you can grind more exp/coin than you get from FBs. Even rep you can come up even with FBs if you invest a little and plan it. And his name is not Steve, it is Steven, he hates when people get his name wrong.
4) Same applies to you, you should read the comments before you post.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Who are you again? I was replying to somoene specific and even quoted him.
I think reading compreention also applies to you......
1) And your point is????
2) Congratulations I guess???
3) If you can tell me how it is greed to loose exp/coins to help someone with ttheir FBs I would like to know. Everyone knows that you can grind more exp/coin than you get from FBs. Even rep you can come up even with FBs if you invest a little and plan it. And his name is not Steve, it is Steven, he hates when people get his name wrong.
4) Same applies to you, you should read the comments before you post.

1) My point is you said "The problem I see with this posts is that they are made by low level people". =.= i'm not low

2)xD

3)you don't lose money or xp in fbs b:laugh. Well if you have a wine it won't. THat rep is a lie! >_> rep is hard to get without any fbs (one man quest can not give you more then a fb can in the time limit a fb can finish). b:surrender srry about that Steven

4) I do and lol XD srry about that didn't really pay attention to who you were be specific at. Its a war in here me vs. everyone b:chuckle, so mostly when people post. It is heading directly at me, in which it does i respond.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) My point is you said "The problem I see with this posts is that they are made by low level people". =.= i'm not low

2)xD

3)you don't lose money or xp in fbs b:laugh. Well if you have a wine it won't. THat rep is a lie! >_> rep is hard to get without any fbs (one man quest can not give you more then a fb can in the time limit a fb can finish). b:surrender srry about that Steven

4) I do and lol XD srry about that didn't really pay attention to who you were be specific at. Its a war in here me vs. everyone b:chuckle, so mostly when people post. It is heading directly at me, in which it does i respond.

Its ok, I usualy agree with your posts and those of your not evil twin.
Now regarding 3)
You know very well you can make more grinding, I know how high your main is (or was recently), and I am sure you can grind more than you can make on a FB, using esos scrolls and specialy if you take into account all the waiting around one does with FBs.
The rep is hard to come by, that is why I said you can break even for the ammount of time it takes. As I stated It requires planning and some investment, you need to get wanted quests to maximize it, as well as army of one and justice.
It is missleading to say one can make 20k exp, and 3 rep from a FB 19 in 10 minutes. Because you have to take into account the time it took you to find it, get ready, get everyone to the FB, the run itself, and if you planning on "leveling/gettting rep" you need more than 1 FB, so than there is the travel back time, and so forth. When you grind you would pretty much stay in one place, maybe use a eso scroll, and grind until you run out of pots or space, than you would do a quick trip to town and get back out. If you were rep grinding, than you would be doing runs back every 15-20 minutes to turn in the one man army (assuming you solo). Than a quick trip to turn in the wanted and the hourly. And out again.

And Steven forgives youb:cute

Notgood - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its ok, I usualy agree with your posts and those of your not evil twin.
Now regarding 3)
You know very well you can make more grinding, I know how high your main is (or was recently), and I am sure you can grind more than you can make on a FB, using esos scrolls and specialy if you take into account all the waiting around one does with FBs.
The rep is hard to come by, that is why I said you can break even for the ammount of time it takes. As I stated It requires planning and some investment, you need to get wanted quests to maximize it, as well as army of one and justice.
It is missleading to say one can make 20k exp, and 3 rep from a FB 19 in 10 minutes. Because you have to take into account the time it took you to find it, get ready, get everyone to the FB, the run itself, and if you planning on "leveling/gettting rep" you need more than 1 FB, so than there is the travel back time, and so forth. When you grind you would pretty much stay in one place, maybe use a eso scroll, and grind until you run out of pots or space, than you would do a quick trip to town and get back out. If you were rep grinding, than you would be doing runs back every 15-20 minutes to turn in the one man army (assuming you solo). Than a quick trip to turn in the wanted and the hourly. And out again.

And Steven forgives youb:cute

My evil twin xD? Who is that?
Your know my mains lvl (so it is true people are stlaking me b:shocked jk xD)
The xp thing is true but sometimes fb xp can help it comes in handly if your bored with grindingb:pleased. Well you most people do like Tao,Rad,Evo,ect and build a chat room for fbs. There all set to go, but you are right takes foever to wait for the whole team to get to a fb <_<. I just complain about the one man amry because none of the monster the quest gives you give any good xp monsters.. or monster that drop good.
thanks steven

Samoy - Lost City

OK Noob here. What the wine thing about. Is that something I need in FB 39?

Niraneth - Heavens Tear

Samoy - Lost City wrote: »

OK Noob here. What the wine thing about. Is that something I need in FB 39?

No you wont need wine for fb 39. Mobs are easy to disperse in there and you will need some of the mobs. Wine is used to make a majority of the mobs disappear so you have a clear run from boss to boss. Wines normally start getting used 59 and above since people are more in a rush to do things and dont want to spend hours killing mobs that arent necessary for any quest given in there. You will need two of the same wine in order to make the old swordsman do this for you.

Oldbear - Sanctuary

Add my friend for the FB squad. Tell him/her to gather a full squad for your FB. Wait till he/she does so and invites them, including me. Tell us to make wine for your FB. We leave squad.

Repeat with another player and another squad.

Samoy - Lost City

Niraneth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No you wont need wine for fb 39. Mobs are easy to disperse in there and you will need some of the mobs. Wine is used to make a majority of the mobs disappear so you have a clear run from boss to boss. Wines normally start getting used 59 and above since people are more in a rush to do things and dont want to spend hours killing mobs that arent necessary for any quest given in there. You will need two of the same wine in order to make the old swordsman do this for you.

Thanks for the answer.

Dalamaar - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wellll.... they want the xp right thats the only reason they want to do a fb so if they want to get xp they get it :P and btw its not selfish >_< i just get lazy i don't want to get all those mats. Its like a date the girls shouldn't pay :P ya so you think about that

thats the craziest idea, mandatory mats for coming on an fb run.. and btw being lazy and expecting others to get that mats for you IS the defintion of selfish.

Selfish (adj.) from answers.com
1. Concerned chiefly or only with oneself: “Selfish men were . . . trying to make capital for themselves out of the sacred cause of human rights” (Maria Weston Chapman).
2. Arising from, characterized by, or showing selfishness: a selfish whim.

AinaMizuako - Sanctuary

I plan to make my wine when I get the FBs that need it (59+). I have no problem whatsoever with doing it. I provide wine for my FB, I get to keep any drops I want, my squad gets ones that I don't care for. I say thanks for help, they say thanks for the FB, everyone goes home happy.

Niteblade - Sanctuary

AinaMizuako - Sanctuary wrote: »

I plan to make my wine when I get the FBs that need it (59+). I have no problem whatsoever with doing it. I provide wine for my FB, I get to keep any drops I want, my squad gets ones that I don't care for. I say thanks for help, they say thanks for the FB, everyone goes home happy.

couldn't agree more.. if tabbers provide wines, tabbers should get the 3*/mold drops.. but tabbers should discuss up front before the run.. if possible, always get people you know to help run your fb.. helpers get xp/reps, and for fb69 and fb79, the last bosses are needed for back-in-time quests.. what more do helpers want?!

Bitter - Harshlands

Niteblade - Sanctuary wrote: »

helpers get xp/reps, and for fb69 and fb79, the last bosses are needed for back-in-time quests.. what more do helpers want?!

I was told today that they wanted to each call a mold. My tabs, my wines. FB 69. -shrug-

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Bitter - Harshlands wrote: »

I was told today that they wanted to each call a mold. My tabs, my wines. FB 69. -shrug-

Different groups will want different things, just make sure you talk about it up front, and shop around. You need help, but you do have the power to choose who does the FB with you. On a side note, FB 69 is a pain, literaly, so it may be harder to find people willing to do it just for fun.

FavoleRynn - Lost City

As far as wines are concerned...what exactly do they do? o.o

I've been making them while bored because they sell well. xDD

But I don't really agree with the party offering the tabber wine; They are already offering to help lower levels kill bosses, *and* offering them their drops. That's enough for me; I wouldn't mind walking around for an hour or two gathering mats for that. And if you're like me, and you harvest everything you find anyway, you have no problem having the mats needed in the first place.

...And for the *guys should always pay* thing; Maybe on the first couple of dates, sure, it's nice. But the girl should at least offer, not *expect* him to pay. Good luck finding a husband; me and my boyfriend have been splitting the check for 2 1/2 years now. I don't have a problem with it.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Dalamaar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

thats the craziest idea, mandatory mats for coming on an fb run.. and btw being lazy and expecting others to get that mats for you IS the defintion of selfish.

Selfish (adj.) from answers.com
1. Concerned chiefly or only with oneself:

Notgood - Heavens Tear

btw people are making the wines for the fbs to get in and giving all the dropps to the tabber b:chuckle. So unless you stop them it proves my point b:cute. Don't you just feel happy to know that your right and have proof for it inwhich people are against you b:chuckle. well you can soak in this post for awhile bb now

Reminissions - Sanctuary

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_xXRoXaSXx_ - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) ok i'm not a noob i'm a froob and I make my own cookies.

2) If you can't understand my english deal with it, its called life

3) who said I would wine the fb? lol and yes i know what sarcasm is.

4)This topic does not influence other poeple for that matter it does not promote other poeple to respond either, you can easily aviod my thread if you wish ^^.

5)you are right i don't have friends on this character, on my other character as you say "to busy for my FB" well 'what did i tell you before tisk tisk' there mostly busy helping on there guild mates fb XD and will offer to help later but i don't really like to wait not my thing =.="

6)Your are right about that but i prefer the meeting them in-game. Reason: don't have to have one

7)if your think this is enternaning well thats your opinion i can't stop you there

8)Your do care if you are posting it here so i can see it with my very own eyesb:chuckle. Like i said before tisk tisk what did i tell you about judging lol, just by this action on the thread does not prove anything about me b:pleased why is that because you really don't know me well to tell b:sin. Although if your were just going to judge me by this thread doesn't it tell a lot about who you are?

9) btw you can't say if its hypocrisy or not it is a opinion not a factb:laugh Although if your are just talking about something else indiscriminately then i have nothing to say ^^.

........whats a froob? is that like a fruity noob? -_-