Fb wines should be made BY THE PEOPLE!not you

Notgood - Heavens Tear

i think that the fb wines should be made by the people not the person who has it since i mean most people just come for the xp but, its a drag that the person who has it has to go around and getmats instead of making ult. subs out of them. So i'm basically saying that the people wanting to do your fb should provide the wine or if it only works if the guys with the tab has it then give the mats to him/her so he/she could make it then. btw YES I DO KNOW THIS STUFF!

Nevlik - Heavens Tear

mats for fb 69 and 79 are really easy to find. but I don't mind when people who offer to help with fbs offer wine as well, that's just a part of advertisement. But making it mandatory to give the tabber wines is quite selfish in most cases (like in fb 69 and 79 where mats are easy to find, and the fact most will give u all drops, which include quite a few molds worth over 1 mil)

Deathsscion - Sanctuary

Nevlik - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the fact most will give u all drops, which include quite a few molds worth over 1 mil

I have not gotten a mold from an FB. Why does fate hate me b:cry

Eorween - Heavens Tear

blah blah blah..why do you have to use wine?
cause you and everyone including you faction or friend or any player in the game dont want to sit there and do the actual dungeon.
everyone going to tell you they got a live, kids, etccsss, they need to take care of = cant spend 2,3,4,5 hours in the game to help you.
everyone want easy fast exp.
group exp for the game is low(0 bonus), i guess thats why 90% of the players solo ?
personally i wish they remove all wine use for all fbs.
then you will actually see who can really be high lvl and earn their cultivation.
have the support of faction and friends vis versa..

Ty - Heavens Tear

I've made all my FB wines myself, I've accepted a few donations along the way, likewise I've helped others make wine. It's the natural order of things:

• You need help with you FB,
• A group wants to help,
• They ask for wine,
• You provide wine,
• They get XP for helping,
• You get XP and your next cultivation level.
• Everyone says gratz and thanks for the FB
• You say thanks for the help.

Everyone is happy.

Besides, good luck finding people wanting to help with FBs when they have to provide the wine mats. FB helper rooms are there for a quick and easy way to find a group to do your FB. I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find the same amount of FB helper chatrooms under your scheme.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Wellll.... they want the xp right thats the only reason they want to do a fb so if they want to get xp they get it :P and btw its not selfish >_< i just get lazy i don't want to get all those mats. Its like a date the girls shouldn't pay :P ya so you think about that

Sirrock - Sanctuary

A girl shouldnt pay well were not in the 1930's anymore get with the times already

Sirrock - Sanctuary

I mean people should all pay their own way unless offered

Ihazacute - Sanctuary

Getting into FB groups is pretty competitive. Every few minutes I see someone in WC asking to help out. The higher level FBs are even rarer because either people dont get that high or they have already joined a faction and take care of it in house.

I think offering to wine the dungeon would be a great way to have more people choose your group over some other. If it works, it will become the norm. If it isn't all that effective and people see the same amount of fbs come their way, they will stop and go back to making the tabber bring wine.

Can't force these things. When you need help, only go in if the group wines your dungeon for you. And only help by bringing wine. Maybe one day you'll see this change.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

they offer wine = they share mold/3* drops.

If your fb party makes wine, don't expect them to give you all the drops.

Whats next... tabber is gonna want the party to buy him/her a mold if none drops in fb?

EDIT: I have seem an entire room (15-10 people) pass on fb59 cause tabber wanted wine. And oh yea... for those who want to help with my 89, please bring wine and 2 mold for ring of the heavenly lord. Thank you.

AnimeQT - Lost City

i always make my wine, and if the people who are doing it with me are really wanting to do it, they get the mats for it as well thats what happened in my fb59 for fb69 however i was lucky to find it already made and being sold for 75k each wine (and there was only 2 xD)

and if there are people that have time to spend 2/3/4/5+ hours on a fb they would be crazy i mean who would want to spend that long on a fb when they can do a fb and grind in that time me i would never do that plus i dont have that much time and im sure everyone else doesnt either we dooo have other things to do

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Supply and demand. If fb59 tab holders can easily find lots of people wanting to help, they will be able to demand the helpers provide the wine. If people don't want to help with fb59 unless it's wined, fb59 tab holders will be unable to find a group to help them unless they provide the wine. Simple as that.

Deathnote - Harshlands

Fail.

Death will be coming

Rule - Heavens Tear

100k-200k for wines? No thanks. I'll go do justice quest and get 4x the experience and make money from drops.
FB's are fun, and a great change from grinding, but if I have to pay to do it, I'd just as soon farm it and keep the drops myself.
As a follow up, if I WERE to pay for your wine, you can forget getting any drops in there.

xxxdsmer

if you want your fb wined, you should make your own wine.
just like someone else mentioned, i kno if i were in the higher levels and making wine for ppl's fb's i would want drops because i made the thing that got the tabber thru their fb easier.
but if i make my own wine and bring it to my fb, i certianly want my drops from my fb lol, cause its nearly a free ride for xp, sp, rep for the ppl helping with it.

Inna - Heavens Tear

your wine, your drops. my wine, well, drops are up for grabs.

Kristoph - Lost City

I wouldn't dare asking people for FB help without preparing my wines first. Just seems effing dumb. Besides, there are enough people who will help you out with the wine. Just stop being a spoiled little kid and put some effort into it rather than expecting people to hand you everything.

Thraxx - Heavens Tear

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

I wouldn't dare asking people for FB help without preparing my wines first. Just seems effing dumb. Besides, there are enough people who will help you out with the wine. Just stop being a spoiled little kid and put some effort into it rather than expecting people to hand you everything.

quoted for truth and it made me laugh

CeliaZ - Sanctuary

My only problem with wine is that I LOVE fb's, and that almost all the fun goes away when using wine. I SOO wanna do a fb59 unwined, but no one does that. It is so boring to run from boss to boss not doing anything. Killing mobs is fun, it's what the game is all about.

(I have a fb59 of a friend coming up within a week... If there is anyone who agree with me and wanna do it unwined too, pm me!b:pleased)

Reivi - Sanctuary

CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »

My only problem with wine is that I LOVE fb's, and that almost all the fun goes away when using wine. I SOO wanna do a fb59 unwined, but no one does that. It is so boring to run from boss to boss not doing anything. Killing mobs is fun, it's what the game is all about.

(I have a fb59 of a friend coming up within a week... If there is anyone who agree with me and wanna do it unwined too, pm me!b:pleased)

Have you tried a FB59 without wine ?

All the mobs flee.. run into other aggros.. ( that can be managed)

but when they climb to the walls and cast you from afar..... thats another story ...

SleipnirX - Lost City

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Just stop being a spoiled little kid and put some effort into it rather than expecting people to hand you everything.

What he saidb:victory

Daerys - Sanctuary

Anyone who expects a run-thru and isn't willing to provide their own wine is just a failure. Suck it up and deal with it, it isn't a difficult thing to do. No one will cry because they didn't get to do your run, there are plenty of people out there who don't expect a totally free ride.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have you tried a FB59 without wine ?

All the mobs flee.. run into other aggros.. ( that can be managed)

but when they climb to the walls and cast you from afar..... thats another story ...

Even the fire boss does that. He jumps up on the cliffs out of my range and for some reason he can still hit me. Took like 2 shots before i figure out whats going on and ran back. If it wasn't for me level, i would have died.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Ok first of all if someone has wine why should they bring other people and no they can do it by themselves other then bring selfish people who just wants to come and do nothing..and if you don't want to do a fb tis fine with me ^^ and those people who said I'm spoiled well nobody asked you if i was or not, so if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself. Btw some people do steal your loot even if you wined it so why go throw all the trouble if you get nothing.AND ha it does work i even tried for myself :P people do respond to giving wine and they come like you siad yourself it isn't that hard to make it, so wouldn't it be giving you some free xp then eh?

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok first of all if someone has wine why should they bring other people and no they can do it by themselves other then bring selfish people who just wants to come and do nothing..and if you don't want to do a fb tis fine with me ^^ and those people who said I'm spoiled well nobody asked you if i was or not, so if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself. Btw some people do steal your loot even if you wined it so why go throw all the trouble if you get nothing.AND ha it does work i even tried for myself :P people do respond to giving wine and they come like you siad yourself it isn't that hard to make it, so wouldn't it be giving you some free xp then eh?

ummm... i would think they will probably doing most if not all of the work. while you sit there and do nothing.

Rule - Heavens Tear

Ok first of all if someone has wine why should they bring other people and no they can do it by themselves other then bring selfish people who just wants to come and do nothing.

-Try it, solo every one of your FB's. Me, I'd even buy the wine to watch you attempt it. I won't lift a finger to help, but I'll watch you fail.


and if you don't want to do a fb tis fine with me ^^ and those people who said I'm spoiled well nobody asked you if i was or not, so if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself.

-You posted in a forum...open to public opinion. Think about that. No..don't talk...just think.

Btw some people do steal your loot even if you wined it so why go throw all the trouble if you get nothing.

-You've got no friends? Or your friends steal your drops?

AND ha it does work i even tried for myself :P people do respond to giving wine and they come like you siad yourself it isn't that hard to make it, so wouldn't it be giving you some free xp then eh?

-Think about the word FREE. Sure you got someone to do it, congratulations. People buy all sorts of stupid things. 1/10 of the people you talk to will purchase what your selling if its within thier ability to buy...no matter how stupid...Though, a random group, that provides the wine...and you wonder why people "steal" your drops sometimes?

Notgood - Heavens Tear

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok first of all if someone has wine why should they bring other people and no they can do it by themselves other then bring selfish people who just wants to come and do nothing.

-Try it, solo every one of your FB's. Me, I'd even buy the wine to watch you attempt it. I won't lift a finger to help, but I'll watch you fail.


and if you don't want to do a fb tis fine with me ^^ and those people who said I'm spoiled well nobody asked you if i was or not, so if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself.

-You posted in a forum...open to public opinion. Think about that. No..don't talk...just think.

Btw some people do steal your loot even if you wined it so why go throw all the trouble if you get nothing.

-You've got no friends? Or your friends steal your drops?

AND ha it does work i even tried for myself :P people do respond to giving wine and they come like you siad yourself it isn't that hard to make it, so wouldn't it be giving you some free xp then eh?

-Think about the word FREE. Sure you got someone to do it, congratulations. People buy all sorts of stupid things. 1/10 of the people you talk to will purchase what your selling if its within thier ability to buy...no matter how stupid...Though, a random group, that provides the wine...and you wonder why people "steal" your drops sometimes?

ok first you can come and wacht me solo a fb but wait theres a problem you won't be able to get in :P no team. Think first before you type.Second i did post it on the furom but that was still rude of them to say think about judging a book by its cover anyway i never asked the question and nobody else sure did. So don't talk..read. Third i have heard of friends but sometimes i like to mix it up a little and choose diff people and most of the time my friends are busy. Its called meeting new people. And like said before If you don't have anything nice to say don't talk or type.b:chuckle Btw you can't really judge someone like that without getting someones info so don't even talk if you don't know b:cute

Rule - Heavens Tear

Notgood - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok first you can come and wacht me solo a fb but wait theres a problem you won't be able to get in :P no team. Think first before you type.Second i did post it on the furom but that was still rude of them to say think about judging a book by its cover anyway i never asked the question and nobody else sure did. So don't talk..read. Third i have heard of friends but sometimes i like to mix it up a little and choose diff people and most of the time my friends are busy. Its called meeting new people. And like said before If you don't have anything nice to say don't talk or type.b:chuckle Btw you can't really judge someone like that without getting someones info so don't even talk if you don't know b:cute

I'm not one to bandy nasty words but in this case I believe its warranted.
BAD NOOB NO COOKIE.

Format your post so that it can be read. English might not be your first language, I understand. Use small words, sentence breaks etc. Even if it takes you a few extra minutes. I don't expect it to be perfect, but please try.

-ok first you can come and wacht me solo a fb but wait theres a problem you won't be able to get in :P no team.

In order for me to watch you solo an FB of your level with no assistance, I would have to be in the squad, you are correct. I would also have to provide the wines, an act which I've stated I will not do for you. *This is known as sarcasm.*

-Second i did post it on the furom but that was still rude of them to say think about judging a book by its cover anyway i never asked the question and nobody else sure did.

Yes, you did post it on the forums. A disagreeing opinion is not rude, name calling and flaming is rude. You've not presented a cover to your book except the name of the thread. Your first post is directly content. The topic is inflamatory and meant to influence others actions. Because it is in an open forum people are not only able, but encouraged to respond to it.

-Third i have heard of friends but sometimes i like to mix it up a little and choose diff people and most of the time my friends are busy.

I can leave this statement alone all by itself. I strongly suggest taking more time with your post if this is not what you expected me to read in it. "I have heard of friends" implies that you don't actually have any. That your friends are too busy for an FB would indicate that they are too busy for YOUR FB. (maybe they didn't have money for your whines?) (yes, I mean it as its spelled)

-Its called meeting new people.

So is posting on the forums.


-And like said before If you don't have anything nice to say don't talk or type.

I've been very nice so far. You should probably consider this piece of advice closely if your handing it out, hypocrisy is entertaining.

-Btw you can't really judge someone like that without getting someones info so don't even talk if you don't know

Did you have something in particular your addressing...or was this some random rage statement? If its regarding your OP (FB Wines) I'm familiar. If its regarding 1:10 people buying anything at all...I'm familiar with that too.
If its regarding you as a person, not only do I not care, it has nothing to do with posting a concept on a forum. You have managed to sum up your character pretty clearly in just 1 thread though if thats any consolation.

Notgood - Heavens Tear

1) ok i'm not a noob i'm a froob and I make my own cookies.

2) If you can't understand my english deal with it, its called life

3) who said I would wine the fb? lol and yes i know what sarcasm is.

4)This topic does not influence other poeple for that matter it does not promote other poeple to respond either, you can easily aviod my thread if you wish ^^.

5)you are right i don't have friends on this character, on my other character as you say "to busy for my FB" well 'what did i tell you before tisk tisk' there mostly busy helping on there guild mates fb XD and will offer to help later but i don't really like to wait not my thing =.="

6)Your are right about that but i prefer the meeting them in-game. Reason: don't have to have one

7)if your think this is enternaning well thats your opinion i can't stop you there

8)Your do care if you are posting it here so i can see it with my very own eyesb:chuckle. Like i said before tisk tisk what did i tell you about judging lol, just by this action on the thread does not prove anything about me b:pleased why is that because you really don't know me well to tell b:sin. Although if your were just going to judge me by this thread doesn't it tell a lot about who you are?

9) btw you can't say if its hypocrisy or not it is a opinion not a factb:laugh Although if your are just talking about something else indiscriminately then i have nothing to say ^^.

Rule - Heavens Tear

blah blah blah blah blah. Better formating on your post though.

Bandages - Sanctuary

so what i get from this thread:

1. fb groups should provide the wine for you because you're too lazy to gather the mats.

2. fb groups should do the work for you because you'll be unable to solo the bosses on your own.

3. since fb group is getting free exp/spirit/rep, loot should be shared/given to you.

anything else that i'm missing?

i'm not going to comment about your character or who you are in general but don't make a statement about how fb groups should provide the wine since they're getting the free boost. think about it this way, you get a free ride through the bosses and in the end, a huge boost in your spirit.

you can solo the fb by yourself and solo the bosses by yourself right? i mean all you need pretty much is a herc and you're set. so the way i see it, here's your options:

1. find a group that will help with your fb and provide the wine (might take a while before you can accomplish this).

2. solo the entire fb by yourself with/without wine (that you provided by yourself for yourself) and hope you don't bump into any problems (like taking so long that your tab timer eventually runs out).

3. stick to the way things are, have developed, written in the stars, spoken through myths and legends from the sages of the past, etc. and provide the wine for the fb so the group can help you with your quest.

4. never do the fb (and never be an aware of anything).

5. pack your bags and retire from this game/forum.

there are your options. choose wisely.