New Star chart an pack sale

matthieudoncacci

Does someone know when the new sale ends? There is no mention in the post.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/pwi/news/detail/9635343-star-chart-and-pack-sale

sylenthunder

It will end when PWE wants it to. They started doing open-ended sales with no announced end date a few years ago. It's a marketing strategy to get you to buy now because you don't know when it will end.​​

heerohex#3018

sylenthunder wrote: »

It will end when PWE wants it to. They started doing open-ended sales with no announced end date a few years ago. It's a marketing strategy to get you to buy now because you don't know when it will end.

they have a Marketing Strategy?​​

shopcheese

The nebula and astrobana doesn't show "sale" in boutique unlike the packs etc, so maybe it's their new prices... The star chart materials prices were insane afterall, but I guess it might be too much to hope for.​​

sylenthunder

heero200 wrote: »

sylenthunder wrote: »

It will end when PWE wants it to. They started doing open-ended sales with no announced end date a few years ago. It's a marketing strategy to get you to buy now because you don't know when it will end.

they have a Marketing Strategy?

They pretend to anyway. ​​

yghb

I still see the same prices for start chart materials. Nothing has changed.

dingo488

the current price on most star chart items seems to be pretty decent to me (cept from the aptitude items)

in terms of cost-efficiency its not all that bad to get Astrobana Pearls, provided u have a good chart to go with it

Lets hope its a permanent price, and not a sale ;x

razzzza

dingo488 wrote: »

the current price on most star chart items seems to be pretty decent to me (cept from the aptitude items)

in terms of cost-efficiency its not all that bad to get Astrobana Pearls, provided u have a good chart to go with it

Lets hope its a permanent price, and not a sale ;x

Yea 320 gold just to go from astral energy lv 3 to lv 4 seems like a very fair price to me /sarcasm

everything should be on a sale of like 90% or something to be worth it because you just need SO MANY OF THEM.

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limonazza

how can this be considered a 50-60-70% sale and how can @dingo488 call those prices pretty legit?

to max your astral energy @ current price its like what 200000 gold?
to max your start chart level its like 3000 gold?
to max your aptitude its like what 3000 gold?

considering that you will never want to max star chart and aptitude of a star chart that has a **** number\quality of stats, and therefore astral energy is kind of essential...
but even if so, 6000 gold?

legit prices? are you insane​​

demansfairy

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Er wait why wouldn't you want to max the level/aptitude of a star chart regardless of stats? Shouldn't that be the very first thing to max (especially chart level) since you can just transfer it to a better chart if you pull one?

keihan007#7641

demansfairy said:

null

Er wait why wouldn't you want to max the level/aptitude of a star chart regardless of stats? Shouldn't that be the very first thing to max (especially chart level) since you can just transfer it to a better chart if you pull one?

Aptitude is the first thing to max. The overall level would be next after which I would only start to spend for rolling that insane chart. Even 3-5 useful stats on "maxed" chart are going to be extremely powerful.

limonazza

saxroll wrote: »

null

Even 3-5 useful stats on "maxed" chart are going to be extremely powerful.

no they do not,

if your start chart has lets say 5 stats, you can have only 2 fatestars, and you will also need hundreds of stargaze to put JUST 2 of the good stats you want into the fatestars slots,
which will kinda make leveling up aptitude a bit nonsense on 6 adds and lower charts (since you will then have a chance to achieve ONLY 2 fate stars)

the overall prices for star chart items needs to drop by like 60-70%, 90% for nebula dust orbs​​

keihan007#7641

limonazza said:

saxroll wrote: »

null



Even 3-5 useful stats on "maxed" chart are going to be extremely powerful.

no they do not,



if your start chart has lets say 5 stats, you can have only 2 fatestars, and you will also need hundreds of stargaze to put JUST 2 of the good stats you want into the fatestars slots,

which will kinda make leveling up aptitude a bit nonsense on 6 adds and lower charts (since you will then have a chance to achieve ONLY 2 fate stars)



the overall prices for star chart items needs to drop by like 60-70%, 90% for nebula dust orbs​​



L2R. I said useful stats, not total stats. I have seen plenty of 7+ stat charts and having bout half as useful if not great stats will be pretty damn powerful.

I agree the prices are stupid still but leveling aptitude is clearly the best place to put your money regarding star charts.

dingo488

limonazza said:

how can this be considered a 50-60-70% sale and how can @dingo488 call those prices pretty legit?



to max your astral energy @ current price its like what 200000 gold?

to max your start chart level its like 3000 gold?

to max your aptitude its like what 3000 gold?



considering that you will never want to max star chart and aptitude of a star chart that has a **** number\quality of stats, and therefore astral energy is kind of essential...

but even if so, 6000 gold?



legit prices? are you insane​​

You are making a huge mistake when judging cost-efficiency. You are only looking at the cost efficiency of the best option. Thats like looking at War Avatars and saying its not cost-efficient because Nuema Portal is so expensive. Its probably a mentally that has you walking around with random S cards after spending multiple billions on it.

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If I were to give everyone in PWI 50 mil coin. And I would tell them to buy puzzle pieces with it.

We have Puzzle A, this is a puzzle that takes 100 pieces to complete and the pieces are 1m/ea.
And we have Puzzle B, this one has 50 pieces and they are also 1m/ea.

90% of the ppl on PWI wud buy 50 pieces of puzzle A and walk around with an incomplete thus useless puzzle.
0.1% of the ppl would come see me in private and offer me $1000 for the other 50 pieces to Puzzle A while buying the first 50 with the money.
5% of the ppl would come see me in private and offer me $500 for 25 more pieces of Puzzle A, and still walk around with an incomplete puzzle.
4.9% of the ppl would buy the 50 pieces of Puzzle B and have a lovely and complete puzzle.

Meanwhile 95% of the people are complaining on the forums. signing petitions n shjt, complaining the puzzles are too expensive and PWI is ripping them off.

All while the other 4.9% are wondering if everyone is **** or not.

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Now to the point of actual cost-efficiency of Star Chart materials. I previously stated this only counts if you do actually have a chart with acceptable stats, this is something I cant help u with, its all a matter of praying to RNGesus and wearing the right underwear. What I do know is, you'll never get lucky if you never bother trying.

For the example I will use my own chart, which has respectable stats, its not epic, and its not bad.

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Lets pre-establish what our community thinks are fair prices when it comes to lategame choices (prices may vary a little per server):

1 Gold = 4m (with patience)

JOSD = 310m -> replaces incomparable shards which are 1.5m/ea
Gives +2 defense level while removing 75hp

+12 Dragon Orb = 600 mil ( Im heavy armor )
Choose 1:
Gives +382 hp (cape)
Gives +510 hp (helmet)
Gives +314 mdef (necklace)
Gives +357 mdef/pdef (ring)

These are all options people find to be acceptable, as most people have already made these choices in the past.

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Currently it takes between 15 and 18 gold to level my Star Chart, so with the pre-established gold price, thats 60-72 (lets say 66) mil per level.

Each level on my Star Chart currently gives me:

+12 mdef
+ 17 pdef
+ 17 fire def
+ 25 hp
+ 3 spirit

for 66 mil

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Now for the question if the general opinion of the community is that this is worth it or not.

Spending 310 mil on my Star Chart would give me

56.4 mdef
79.9 pdef
79.9 fire def
117.5 hp
14.1 spirit

When you have to choose between gaining 2 defense level at the cost of 75hp, instead of getting these stats at the cost of nothing, can you really say its that much in favor of the JOSD? I would say this one is pretty close, I would no-doubt pick all these stats, but I could accept the choice to take the defense level. Lets look at the 12* Dragon Orb instead then.

Spending 600m on my Star Chart would give me

109.2 mdef
154.7 pdef
154.7 fire def
227.5 hp
27.3 spirit

When you have to choose between gaining all of these stats. Or gaining one of these 4 options:

Gives +382 hp (cape)
Gives +510 hp (helmet)
Gives +314 mdef (necklace)
Gives +357 mdef/pdef (ring)

Would u ever pick one of those 4 options? I never would, ever. Yet people are still +12ing their Cape/Helmet/Necklace/Rings.

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Are the star chart items really that ridiculous in price then? I definately wouldnt say so.

Not to mention the stats I am using to compare are merely base stats, they can be further amplified with the increase of aptitude which tremendously works in favor of the star chart items, you simply need to find the correct breaking point when it is worth it to invest in increasing the aptitude on your fate/birthstars. Not to mention this case is with a slightly above average Star Chart, if you have a really good one the story becomes even clearer. This is something I wont need to go over, since I hope my point has already been proven.

So to answer your question if Im insane let me ask you a question in return...

Do you even puzzle bro?

limonazza

i didnt bother to read anything after cost-efficiency

now you are going to pay at least 6000 gold to max a star chart

what are you actually getting with this 6000 gold?

what else can you get with 6000 gold?

blowing 6000 gold in a star chart give more benefits respect blowing 6000 gold in anything else?

discuss​​

cynderangel

@limonazza He did discuss. He made some interesting points that put it into perspective. I haven't looked into the technical aspects of star charts to say if he's accurate, but if you had read his post, that's what you would be doing.

limonazza

600m are 100 gold on my server which will give you like 350 star chart exp
i really have no idea at which point he is with his chart but at late levels with 350 star chart exp you will barely get 1 level up

also
109.2 mdef
154.7 pdef
154.7 fire def
227.5 hp

are non factor at endgame​​

cynderangel

@limonazza I think that's sort of his point. People walk around in full +12 armor (each piece giving a few hundred hp more than +11 would), and that's expensive. The cost of that +12 orb is comparable to a star charts level? (Yes or no? I don't know the answer.) If it is, you (or rather he, in his example) have an option - buy the orb and get a few hundred hp, or buy star chart items and get all of the stats he listed. Is the hp alone better than getting a little hp and some phys and mag def? I guess that depends on the player.

For a player like me, it's a moot point. I'm not going r999 +12 josd any time soon. Maybe this is only intended for players who have already.

prancing

If the prices of the items were cheaper it would devalue farming in game. That is what you are arguing for?

cynderangel

Is that directed at me prancing? If so, I have no idea how it relates to my post :c

darkonome

You can't directly compare a +12 orb to a Star Chart levels though, from current dailies you get star chart exp for free, the next expansion we will get even more star chart exp, so most people will be content to just slowly level it for free, yes it will take ages at today's rate, but who's to say in a couple months or less we wont have access to much faster ways of leveling it.

A +12 orb there is no way to obtain one for free from dailies.

Even the Astropira pearls or w/e that level aptitude I'm pretty sure someone told me the level 2 ones are in the next update from the solo instance, correct me if I'm wrong on that.

keihan007#7641

darkonome said:

Even the Astropira pearls or w/e that level aptitude I'm pretty sure someone told me the level 2 ones are in the next update from the solo instance, correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I cant for life of mine think where to look for the thread, which had info on rewards from Russian server iirc. But according to those, you could get level 2 and 3 astrospiras from solo tower.

jabq

saxroll said:

darkonome said:

Even the Astropira pearls or w/e that level aptitude I'm pretty sure someone told me the level 2 ones are in the next update from the solo instance, correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I cant for life of mine think where to look for the thread, which had info on rewards from Russian server iirc. But according to those, you could get level 2 and 3 astrospiras from solo tower.

check bm forums, us bms will have a fun time with the new solo tower, it seems to be made for a buffed bm . As for star charts, i find that money is better invested in getting a rb nuema portal compared to getting a max chart. People sometime wonder, should they get a second ring as a magic that has mdef refine. When people are endgame, that mdef ring might help a bit, but overall would be better to use the def charms pwi hands us out. Make sure your 80% of your friend list does not log on .

I do not see the benefit of using money to level star chart at present compared to the stats we get. If they boost the stats, sure that becomes an option, but otherwise not really.

limonazza

jabq wrote: »

Even the Astropira pearls or w/e that level aptitude I'm pretty sure someone told me the level 2 ones are in the next update from the solo instance, correct me if I'm wrong on that.


I cant for life of mine think where to look for the thread, which had info on rewards from Russian server iirc. But according to those, you could get level 2 and 3 astrospiras from solo tower.

check bm forums, us bms will have a fun time with the new solo tower, it seems to be made for a buffed bm . As for star charts, i find that money is better invested in getting a rb nuema portal compared to getting a max chart. People sometime wonder, should they get a second ring as a magic that has mdef refine. When people are endgame, that mdef ring might help a bit, but overall would be better to use the def charms pwi hands us out. Make sure your 80% of your friend list does not log on .

I do not see the benefit of using money to level star chart at present compared to the stats we get. If they boost the stats, sure that becomes an option, but otherwise not really.

point is if you are at endgame,
a star chart with less than 7 adds (to have 3 fate stars), with at least 3-4 good attributes is almost non factor, or at least it's not 6000 gold worth of C$

@ the guy saying this is badly influencing farmers, just wtf ??? you can't farm and merch those items, the ones you get from quests are all untradeable​​