Insane prices.
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Why is prices on this game so insane?. Rank 9 use to be worth like 500$ USD. now it's close to 1.3k USD. gst use to be worth 2.5mil, now it's 28-35mil. i can totally understand the prices for gold being different from what it use to be. but from 2.5mil to 30mil? that's just rubbish. this game is a damn good game, just sad to see it being ruined by greed.. one point of merging the servers was because the game was dying. at least this is what i understand. it was dying, not because people got bored of the game but for the simple fact that the prices are to much. but merge made it worst than before. and at the rate it's all going seems at the end PWI will just have to merge all servers into one. understanding by then the price for a gst will be worth like 100mil each
prices in the past tells it all. PK/PVP is fun, there's no dying that. but the only how you can have fun in like NW/TW/Mass Pk nowadays is if you're rrr9+12 with at least josd. not to mention full s card deck and also nw neck/ring. lets be honest. that's all worth close to 3k USD. not everyone have that kinda money to spend on a game. now dont get confuse im not writing this post because i cant afford these stuff. just for the simple fact that the game was better cheaper and as a F2P. but what do you guys think????
and for the smartass's who's gonna say "then dont play the game" keep it to yourself and try understand why i wrote this.
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The r9 price was 1500~gold back then and with all the sales now its way cheaper. The only thing that keeps raising is the goldprice and the people behind it are the greedy ones, the prices did not change at all for r9 itself but pwi added alot of stuff that cost way more then r9 does (like perfect astral chart for over 1mil gold).
It all adds up
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well the stuff for r9 did change. i dont know exactly how far back you're referring to when you say "The r9 price was 1500~gold back then" but where i'm referring to it cost like 2-3m per GST. now? it's like 28-35m. that's just over pricing it. at least in my pov.0
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Yes you mean the players are the greedy ones because they jacked up the price by a lot. the boutique prices didnt change at all over the years, the sale came and went but the gold price players demanded changed drasticly.
When GST cost 7m it was the same boutique price as they are now. ofc they introduced GST in the boutique not too long ago for a higher price then they would cost by buying the chip packs but the chip packs are still the cheapest option and on sale its not too bad.
The 28-35m you are reffering to are just playerprices. on dawnglory you get GST at around 18-20m by now but its still insane i agree with that.0 -
When R9 got released, Medals of Glory were even obtainable by DQ system. And we were able to make them tradable by "drag&dropping" a bound MoG to an unbound MoG.
Imo there are too many unnecessary up and downs. How often did the Treasure Map Quests nerfed and boosted?
Look at the order, how and when they introduced new gear. When you look at the time line it doesn't make any sense.
Or at least it's hard to me to see a master plan behind it.
Imo rank gear should just become cheaper on a gradual manner over time (to let the others keep up).
Maybe it's really not randomness and the strategy of PWE's marketing department is just jealousy:
Let some people get nice stuff for cheap/free/the easy way for a short time (MoGs by DQ items/ Ocean Dragon Orb disaster/ Goon glitch for a half year and so on), then stop it and let others become jealous (==> many of them will charge a lot to keep up).
Maybe this strategy works for a while, or even for years. But it doesn't give the company a good reputation because many players won't feel treated fair.0 -
This greed talk... Who is the greedy one?
- The cs who wants more coins for less gold?
- Or the non cs who wants more gold for less coins?0 -
That's why I don't use the word "greed" on this issue.afaria86 said:This greed talk... Who is the greedy one?
- The cs who wants more coins for less gold?
- Or the non cs who wants more gold for less coins?
Some spend a lot of money, some spend a lot of time (and way too many cheat without any risk with illegal bots; e.g. herb farming bots or JoJ bots).
What I would like to see is more reliability from PWEs side. And a warranty for cash shoppers that this game will exist for at least X more years (there is still a risk because a company can still go bankrupt).
It was maybe their all-time strategy to make ridiculous prices first (e.g. a hundred thousand dollar for a +12 WS weapon in 2008/9) to let it look sooooo cheap for "just" 300-400 bucks later.
And they maybe want to repeat the cycle (up and down) with Rank9 as long as this game is running.
But you are not making the player base happy with this strategy.
For the gold market: we need a coin sink. And only a coin sink with popular boutique/pack items which are directly purchasable with coins will work. There is no other way.0 -
When were gsts 2.5m? could you give the year?
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It was even cheaper on Lc server, it just depends on when you bought the gold.jabq said:When were gsts 2.5m? could you give the year?
2-3 weeks before first rank sale started, gold price dropped back from 400-600k to 320-360k on LC server (tbh I thought at this time I'll start re-buying in a week when gold is back to <300k.)
Original price for 1 GST was 5 gold. If you bought gold for 350k each you got 1 GST for 1,75m coins.
(+ a few hours to open every single chip pack manually xD)
The economy was completely different before first rank sale.
DoTs did hardly sell (even for 1m each no one was interested in) and I just bought a bunch of Sapphire Gems for 2.5m-3m each and wanted to wait till price goes back to 5-9m).
Well.. that sale was like a bomb in August 2010. Gold price did double right after release. Good for me at this time: price of stuff like gems did rise by factor 8-10x. After two weeks ~850k was new bottom line of gold price. After xmas it was ~1,1-1,2m iirr.
I bought all my GSTs for ~3.5m each when they did become cheaper in boutique.0 -
This puts it just before or around the first anniversary packs, but after genie expansion, so maybe late 2009? It's before the Rising Tide expansion.tetraem007 wrote: »It was even cheaper on Lc server, it just depends on when you bought the gold.
2-3 weeks before first rank sale started, gold price dropped back from 400-600k to 320-360k on LC server (tbh I thought at this time I'll start re-buying in a week when gold is back to <300k.)
Original price for 1 GST was 5 gold. If you bought gold for 350k each you got 1 GST for 1,75m coins.
(+ a few hours to open every single chip pack manually xD)
The economy was completely different before first rank sale.0 -
Why is the concept of more coin in the system = much less value escape so many? Back when gold was 350K per gold nobody was farming as much coin as they do today. JoJ never existed and people didn't run the cube as much because it was so expensive.
Coin value drops because there is so much coin generated from the environment with very little coin sink to remove it for end game people. As it accumulates the value drops. If you do not get that concept uninstall.0 -
just saying i dont see how having prices so high in game helps anyone.0
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just saying i dont see how having prices so high in game helps anyone.
if below is technical to understandWhy is the concept of more coin in the system = much less value escape so many?
think of it this way.
Day 1 - you want to buy a normal car, costs 20k dollars.
Day 2 - you are paid 300k dollars.
Day 3 - you buy the car for 20k dollars, no sweat.
Day 4 - same car comes out it is 50k dollar, looks cute now
Day 5 - you are paid 1m dollars
Day 6 - you buy the new car for 50k dollars, no sweat
Day 7 - you are paid 100 million dollars
Day 8 - Everyone is walking around with 100 million to 5 billion dollars in their account
Day 9 - would you sell your first car for 20k dollars? when people will easily pay 1 million for it.
Day 10 - same car comes out it costs 4 billion dollars, becomes hot stuff now
Day 11 - you are paid 2 billion dollars
The cycle goes on and on.
Thanks for the time @sylenthunder . Question for everyone, what is the probability that someone who bought gold back in 2009, 6 years ago, never spent it once, comes back to spend it now to get r9 exists?
Next question, should such a person exist, should that person spend the gold or keep it?0 -
i bought gold for 150k---does that make gst 500k now? ....0
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jabq said:
if below is technical to understandWhy is the concept of more coin in the system = much less value escape so many?
think of it this way.
Day 1 - you want to buy a normal car, costs 20k dollars.
Day 2 - you are paid 300k dollars.
Day 3 - you buy the car for 20k dollars, no sweat.
Day 4 - same car comes out it is 50k dollar, looks cute now
Day 5 - you are paid 1m dollars
Day 6 - you buy the new car for 50k dollars, no sweat
Day 7 - you are paid 100 million dollars
Day 8 - Everyone is walking around with 100 million to 5 billion dollars in their account
Day 9 - would you sell your first car for 20k dollars? when people will easily pay 1 million for it.
Day 10 - same car comes out it costs 4 billion dollars, becomes hot stuff now
Day 11 - you are paid 2 billion dollars
The cycle goes on and on.
Thanks for the time @sylenthunder . Question for everyone, what is the probability that someone who bought gold back in 2009, 6 years ago, never spent it once, comes back to spend it now to get r9 exists?
Next question, should such a person exist, should that person spend the gold or keep it?
this is a game. ik it's just an example you give, but you shouldnt have to pay same amount on a "game" as if you're buying a car.0 -
jabq said:
if below is technical to understandWhy is the concept of more coin in the system = much less value escape so many?
think of it this way.
Day 1 - you want to buy a normal car, costs 20k dollars.
Day 2 - you are paid 300k dollars.
Day 3 - you buy the car for 20k dollars, no sweat.
Day 4 - same car comes out it is 50k dollar, looks cute now
Day 5 - you are paid 1m dollars
Day 6 - you buy the new car for 50k dollars, no sweat
Day 7 - you are paid 100 million dollars
Day 8 - Everyone is walking around with 100 million to 5 billion dollars in their account
Day 9 - would you sell your first car for 20k dollars? when people will easily pay 1 million for it.
Day 10 - same car comes out it costs 4 billion dollars, becomes hot stuff now
Day 11 - you are paid 2 billion dollars
The cycle goes on and on.
Thanks for the time @sylenthunder . Question for everyone, what is the probability that someone who bought gold back in 2009, 6 years ago, never spent it once, comes back to spend it now to get r9 exists?
Next question, should such a person exist, should that person spend the gold or keep it?
this is a game. ik it's just an example you give, but you shouldnt have to pay same amount on a "game" as if you're buying a car.0 -
I think PWI went wrong upping GST cost in gold. Coin inflation happens and really it's no big deal. But making GST cost 4g on sale compared to the 2.3g it used to be when buying chips on sale, is stupid. It increases gold demand artificially, while we already have an increased demand from new items added, chart items, auto pot etc.0
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Selling GST in the cash shop for slightly less than normal price is not causing coin inflation. That happened long ago with the large influx of coin from the environment without a coin sinkshimarra said:I think PWI went wrong upping GST cost in gold. Coin inflation happens and really it's no big deal. But making GST cost 4g on sale compared to the 2.3g it used to be when buying chips on sale, is stupid. It increases gold demand artificially, while we already have an increased demand from new items added, chart items, auto pot etc.
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Ive decided that id rather pay money than see them go bankrupt and/or turf the game. Ill still wait for sales and i wont be buying 60$ gsts... but getting angry over prices and worrying about the clause in tos at the same time is too complicated to maintain.
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No one said it did.... I was covering the topic of coin cost in the OP.... And they almost doubled GST cost in gold, not a little price increase.jadasia said:
Selling GST in the cash shop for slightly less than normal price is not causing coin inflation. That happened long ago with the large influx of coin from the environment without a coin sinkshimarra said:I think PWI went wrong upping GST cost in gold. Coin inflation happens and really it's no big deal. But making GST cost 4g on sale compared to the 2.3g it used to be when buying chips on sale, is stupid. It increases gold demand artificially, while we already have an increased demand from new items added, chart items, auto pot etc.
Edit by Sy: Removed the remark that was on fire.0 -
While GSTs are more, DoD/JoSD or DoT is far cheaper now. If you go Vit shards, they too are cheaper. The haves will always be ahead w cards and shards. R9/R9rr isn't what it used to be.
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Fact is that non sale price of GST with chips is 5 gold and 6 gold without chips. They did not double in price. They just didn't put chips on sale at 50% off. They put GST on sale for 33% off.shimarra said:
No one said it did.... I was covering the topic of coin cost in the OP.... And they almost doubled GST cost in gold, not a little price increase.jadasia said:
Selling GST in the cash shop for slightly less than normal price is not causing coin inflation. That happened long ago with the large influx of coin from the environment without a coin sinkshimarra said:I think PWI went wrong upping GST cost in gold. Coin inflation happens and really it's no big deal. But making GST cost 4g on sale compared to the 2.3g it used to be when buying chips on sale, is stupid. It increases gold demand artificially, while we already have an increased demand from new items added, chart items, auto pot etc.
Edit by Sy: Removed the remark that was on fire.
It's funny how people complain about something being put back into the cash shop at full price and not on sale is "doubling" the price. LOL! As is the sale price is the norm and the regular price isn't.
Again, something being reintroduced back into the cash shop at regular price is not causing inflation. Inflation is caused by the devaluation of currency. I already stated the cause of the devaluation of currency. LOL!
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Yay! there are actually other people who understand.jadasia said:
Fact is that non sale price of GST with chips is 5 gold and 6 gold without chips. They did not double in price. They just didn't put chips on sale at 50% off. They put GST on sale for 33% off.shimarra said:
No one said it did.... I was covering the topic of coin cost in the OP.... And they almost doubled GST cost in gold, not a little price increase.jadasia said:
Selling GST in the cash shop for slightly less than normal price is not causing coin inflation. That happened long ago with the large influx of coin from the environment without a coin sinkshimarra said:I think PWI went wrong upping GST cost in gold. Coin inflation happens and really it's no big deal. But making GST cost 4g on sale compared to the 2.3g it used to be when buying chips on sale, is stupid. It increases gold demand artificially, while we already have an increased demand from new items added, chart items, auto pot etc.
Edit by Sy: Removed the remark that was on fire.
It's funny how people complain about something being put back into the cash shop at full price and not on sale is "doubling" the price. LOL! As is the sale price is the norm and the regular price isn't.
Again, something being reintroduced back into the cash shop at regular price is not causing inflation. Inflation is caused by the devaluation of currency. I already stated the cause of the devaluation of currency. LOL!Etherblade Server
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iamluckingfoco wrote: »While GSTs are more, DoD/JoSD or DoT is far cheaper now. If you go Vit shards, they too are cheaper.
Dod/Dot/JOSD have always been in the same price range the past 2 years on sanctuary/twilight, maybe other servers see a shift in prices, but they seem to be fixed here.0 -
well, on dawnglory, one can pretty much do full josd for 1k usd now ... that for sure was NOT possible before
thats if you value items in comparism to current gold prices
in terms of ingame currency , we see a good inflation of PRICES of items coming from packs and TT... which imho is a good thing... the bad thing is : your 1b ingame coins, wont buy 300+ gold anymore ... they only gonna buy 200 now...
so.. it kinda depends on the view one has on the whole thing... if gold is the one thing u need. and cant cash.. thats bad
if ingame items is the thing u want and CAN cash,,,, good
if ingame items is the thing u want, and cant cash, but farm,. still good
AND we got cser willing to charge zen and sell for ridonculous prices (not totally good, but hey, the incentive to charge is there , which is good) if only the charge and spend promos werent so rigged and all overlapping and overloading at once ...
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jabq said:iamluckingfoco wrote: »While GSTs are more, DoD/JoSD or DoT is far cheaper now. If you go Vit shards, they too are cheaper.
Dod/Dot/JOSD have always been in the same price range the past 2 years on sanctuary/twilight, maybe other servers see a shift in prices, but they seem to be fixed here.
DoDs dropped from around 170 to 180 million each to 95 to 100 million each. Vit shards from 80 to 100 mill down to 45 yo 60 mill.
However I don't think the packs are influencing as much this time because there is no 15% charge bonus for CSers like there was last time. Only the charge and spend rewards and this go around without the DoDs and S cards, so the incentive to spend a lot of cash isn't there.
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DoDs dropped from around 170 to 180 million each to 95 to 100 million each. Vit shards from 80 to 100 mill down to 45 yo 60 mill.iamluckingfoco said:jabq said:iamluckingfoco wrote: »While GSTs are more, DoD/JoSD or DoT is far cheaper now. If you go Vit shards, they too are cheaper.
Dod/Dot/JOSD have always been in the same price range the past 2 years on sanctuary/twilight, maybe other servers see a shift in prices, but they seem to be fixed here.
However I don't think the packs are influencing as much this time because there is no 15% charge bonus for CSers like there was last time. Only the charge and spend rewards and this go around without the DoDs and S cards, so the incentive to spend a lot of cash isn't there.
on archo. it was like 50mil for dod i believe now it's like 100m0 -
so. how does one fix this problem. i understand if it is to be fixed, price dropping. it's not upto 1 person but everyone. why dont they just drop gold back to like 1.5mil each. seems alot better than 3.9-5.5mil per gold.0
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