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noworries
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This thread is for feedback/bugs on the changes to Racial Bonuses with the combat changes.
We took this opportunity to boost many of the racial bonuses as you have let us know that many of them weren't interesting or at a value that mattered.
Human - Versatile Defense now grants 1% to the total for all rating stats
Half Orc - Furious Assault grants +5% Critical Severity. Swift Charge +10% movement speed for 3 seconds on entering combat
Wood Elf - Elven Accuracy grants +5% Critical Strike. Wild Step +20% resistance to Slow effects.
Sun Elf - Inner Calm grants +5% Action Point Gain. Sun Elf Grace grants +10% Control Resistance
Dwarf - Stand Your Ground +20% resistance to Knock and Push effects. Cast-Iron grants +5% Defense
Halfling - Nimble Reaction grants +5% Deflect. Bold increases Control Resistance +10%
Half Elf - Dilettante grants +2 Ability score depending on class. Knack for Success +3% Critical Severity, Deflection and Gold Bonus
Tiefling - Bloodhunt +5% damage to targets below half health. Infernal Wrath when received damage 10% chance to apply Infernal Wrath. Effect reduces outgoing damage of the target by 5%
Drow - Honed Defenses +5% Deflect Severity. Darkfire when attacking a foe you have a 5% chance to apply Darkfie. Effect reduces the target's Defense by 5%
Dragonborn - Draconic Heritage +5% incoming healing. Dragonborn Fury +3% Critical Strike and Power
Metallic Dragonborn - Dragonborn Fury +3% Critical Strike and Power. Metallic Ancestry +3% incoming healing +3% Maximum Hitpoints
Aasimar - Celestial Superiority +2% Power, Outgoing Healing, Incoming Healing, Defense, and Maximum Hitpoints. Celestial Presence +2% maximum hitpoints to nearby party members, does not stack with itself.
Gith - Gith Endurance +5% Stamina Regen. Gith Advantage +5% Combat Advantage
Moon Elf - Moon Elf Resilience +10% Control Resistance. Wanderlust +3% Action Point Gain and Stamina Gain
Renegade Drow - Honed Defenses +5% Deflect Severity. Faerie Fire when attacking a foe 5% chance to apply Faerie Fire. Effect reduces target defense and outgoing damage by 3%
We took this opportunity to boost many of the racial bonuses as you have let us know that many of them weren't interesting or at a value that mattered.
Human - Versatile Defense now grants 1% to the total for all rating stats
Half Orc - Furious Assault grants +5% Critical Severity. Swift Charge +10% movement speed for 3 seconds on entering combat
Wood Elf - Elven Accuracy grants +5% Critical Strike. Wild Step +20% resistance to Slow effects.
Sun Elf - Inner Calm grants +5% Action Point Gain. Sun Elf Grace grants +10% Control Resistance
Dwarf - Stand Your Ground +20% resistance to Knock and Push effects. Cast-Iron grants +5% Defense
Halfling - Nimble Reaction grants +5% Deflect. Bold increases Control Resistance +10%
Half Elf - Dilettante grants +2 Ability score depending on class. Knack for Success +3% Critical Severity, Deflection and Gold Bonus
Tiefling - Bloodhunt +5% damage to targets below half health. Infernal Wrath when received damage 10% chance to apply Infernal Wrath. Effect reduces outgoing damage of the target by 5%
Drow - Honed Defenses +5% Deflect Severity. Darkfire when attacking a foe you have a 5% chance to apply Darkfie. Effect reduces the target's Defense by 5%
Dragonborn - Draconic Heritage +5% incoming healing. Dragonborn Fury +3% Critical Strike and Power
Metallic Dragonborn - Dragonborn Fury +3% Critical Strike and Power. Metallic Ancestry +3% incoming healing +3% Maximum Hitpoints
Aasimar - Celestial Superiority +2% Power, Outgoing Healing, Incoming Healing, Defense, and Maximum Hitpoints. Celestial Presence +2% maximum hitpoints to nearby party members, does not stack with itself.
Gith - Gith Endurance +5% Stamina Regen. Gith Advantage +5% Combat Advantage
Moon Elf - Moon Elf Resilience +10% Control Resistance. Wanderlust +3% Action Point Gain and Stamina Gain
Renegade Drow - Honed Defenses +5% Deflect Severity. Faerie Fire when attacking a foe 5% chance to apply Faerie Fire. Effect reduces target defense and outgoing damage by 3%
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Dragonborns: don't change the damage boost to power boost. It's only one thing that should not be touched. Keep it as it is on live currently. Dragonborns already pay the price for that damage boost in ugliness
Aasimar: the bonus for shared HP is nice to have, but again, damage bonus =/= power bonus. Don't change what isn't needed.
Gith: with stamina regen bonus and CA bonus that race is great for classes like barbarian or fighter and during campaign we encounter mostly those types of giths. If it's meant to be a race for hybrid tank/dps then consider adding extra thread generation/hp/run speed boost.
Moon elf: this one is weird, I'm not really seeing anyone playing that race unless they like visuals. Why not add melee/range at-will/encounter boost to them to somewhat make them a bit better?
MB renegade drow: debuff is nice, but change defense to damage resistance and increase chance to actually apply that debuff to 7-10% (if I'm not mistaken, it's currently 100% chance to apply on live). Also would be nice to add them something like extra stamina/ap gain to/instead of deflect severity too.
As for the non-premium races, I think human is again the one that gets the worst bonus. I know, humans are versatile and it should be something for everyone, but 1% to all ratings? Give them 1% damage bonus to at-will, encounter and/or daily powers.
The other races have decent bonuses as far as I can tell. It would be boring to have all races have dmg/hp boosts, so I guess it's fine.
Live server: "Furious Assault: Your Critical Severity is 5% higher than that of other races, causing you to deal more damage when you deliver a Critical Strike.
Swift Charge: You gain a 10% bonus to Runspeed for 3 seconds when you enter combat. This effect can only occur once every 20 seconds."
Unlike other races Wood Elf got a solid buff, no?
Live: "Elven Accuracy: You gain a bonus 1500 Critically Strike.
Wild Step: You have a 10% resistance to effects that Slow your movement."
Human - explain w math across all ratings, please.
That's sweet. I think I reroll my Half-Orc and Moon-Elf then.
Half-Elf Barbie, Half-Elf DC? Tiefling maybe?
Sounds good.
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For example, Aasimar and Dragonborn should still give damage instead of power. Because power will be very easy to cap as it looks now.
- Wood Elf's racial bonus is granting +5% to Crit. Chance, instead of ratings.
I actually enjoy that. Increasing total percentage is better than increasing ratings, but you should prob fix the tooltip so players could choose their racial bonus propperly.
I did not test if the same is happening with Dragonborns, though.
Cheers!
****EVERY SINGLE CLASS SHOULD ONLY HAVE UNCAPPED STATS BOOSTED AND A UNIQUE ABILITY.****
If you follow the above advice, each class might actually feel different. (By uncapped stats I mean "utility" I guess is correct term? Like Action Point Gain, Recharge Speed, Movement Speed, Stamina Regeneration, Magical Damage Boost, Physical Damage Boost, Encounter/At Will Damage Etc)
As others stated, premium pay races (Moon Elf) should be stronger than the regular races. Giving up 2% AP gain for 3% stamina gain is not worth the money, as for most classes it's actually a downgrade because stamina has so little usefulness.
There are 10 rating stats, right? Power, Crit Strike, Crit Sev, Accuracy, Combat Advantage, Defense, Deflect, Deflect Severity, Crit Avoid, Awareness. But no races (other than Human) give Accuracy, Crit Avoid, or Awareness - so consider adding those.
> Human race shoud give +2% in all ratings. ditto
Human is one of, if not the, strongest race as it is in current preview build. +1% to all stats and +3 to ability score is an extreme boost to stats.
Reason: The classes are going to be assigned by Paragon now. No more Dwarven DPS. No more Halfling Assassins, Every Drow will be DPS now. It's too polarizing by paragon type the way it is listed out.
- Gith with +2 Dex and +2 Str/Int;
- Renegade Drow with +2 Dex and +2 Cha/Wis;
- Moon Elf with +2 Int and +2 Dex/Cha.
That would give them at least some degree of improvement.
Moon Elf was always that meme race that looks great but wasn't very strong in combat. By continuing to do well with Moon Elf, you could assert your dominance over the all of your friends that sold out to the stronger races like
UglybornDragonborn. Right now, on live, Dragonborn are everywhere because Dragonborn bonuses are just superior to most races in the game, save for Tiefling and arguably Aasimar & Half Orc. You literally just deal 3% more damage for rollingUglybornDragonborn, gain more HP than the rest of the races (allowing you to squeak by on some survivability threshholds), and also get the +stat bonus that most of the other races get.The whole point of the racial change is to bring the rest of the races in line with Dragonborn, for which I'd say that the update generally does a good job of making most other racial bonuses useful.
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If Moon Elf's bonuses were to be adjusted to be better relative to the other races, I'd suggest Moon Elf to grant the following bonuses:
Moon Elf Resilience: Gain 5% Awareness (or Crit Avoid)
Wanderlust: Gain 3% Accuracy and 3% Recharge Speed Increase.
The reason I suggest the re-changing of these bonuses is because there are no races at the moment which provide any specialized* bonuses to Awareness (or Crit Avoid), Accuracy, or Recharge Speed Increase.
I don't think people will be dropping everything to go Moon Elf, but changing Moon Elf to represent these unrepresented stats would make Moon Elf different from being "slightly worse Sun Elf".
*Human doesn't count because it provides 1% to everything, as the jack of all trades race.
But if you want some change ups and people to spend money, you have to give bang for the bucks. Moon elf doesn’t cut it and neither did the renegade. The point is to make folks spend zen, give them a reason to.