@pando83: just on a side note, you mentioned you have to work off your *** to achieve to be stacked up. Your capstone is fully stacked with 3 hits (when using PF or any other DoT enchant). Weapon master needs 5 hits, that's a bit harder to achieve and keep up.
But.... to deliver 42k SS proccs a CW also have to stack chill on you (once you sprint they all fall off). Additionally has your defense to be very poor if you get hit by that amount of damage, or you got debuffed by RoE.
I overall disagree with you pando, I play GWF and CW (both mainly PvP) and based on my experience it's kinda balanced atm on same gear and skill level. GWFs community found always a good build in any mod. Just inform you a bit.
Yeah and playing with weponmater instead of Destroyer makes much sens... LOL
On a more seriuos note, IF you at this stat losing as a CW vs a GWF you are doing it wrong. Cmon the encounter CD is just as short as the at-wills cd for the GWF :P.
Having more or less 4 sec CD on disting and repell makes its extremly hard to fight a CW that knows what he is doing as a GWF.
Wow hypervoreian is the most hypocrite lieing and spreading propaganda all the time.
Hi friend.I am not spreading lies.I support my theseis with well supported and validated arguments.I posted a video of a good CW (Obs) that participated in this thread .And in that video he evaporates a near BiS ,veteran pvp GF player in 5 secs.
I answered to all theseis of McJae with arguments.
I have nothing against CWs ,i just want balance.My whole motivation comes from the noble desire to make NW a better more balanced game.Let's keep it civilized please.
Mmmm...i'm in full burning set, close to 100k HP, 42-84% tenacity, 32% deflect, pretty regular destro build not much to do there, have countless scars, i use sprint a lot and i'm quite proactive. 12% life steal chance for now, need to work to bring it at 20% but still...not that bad. 25% DR with 4.7k def.
Have the 20k+ HoT boon, 20k damage boon, thayan bastion (not that good but until i get more LS chance i'm not feeling like going for endless consuption)
Have bravery rank 4 slotted in PvP
Have destroyer rank 4+ focused destroyer
Must note that the 42k SS proc i got it while sprinting actually...
Armor enchant is Gsoulforged, weapon enchant is plaguefire.
Enemy got for sure PNegation+ and i think Pvorpal+, shield on tab.
I was perplexed when i saw him stopping and just...standing still holding RoF so i tried to facetank (which i never do usually, i always keep moving during fights) cause it was weird he was actually that confident he could facetank me directly, and the fact is he did, and he still got 45%+ HP left after killing me.
We both got full damage stacks and probably he RoE on me, can't remember. Not like it makes any difference cause i can't dodge RoE so it's not like i can counter that.
Now, i'm no BiS but not undergeared either. I have no problem with a BiS CW destroying me, what perplexed me was that he could just decide to stand still and hold down mouse button and easily win a facetank contest.
Assuming that going with logic a GWF should have a big advantage in a facetank contest over a CW, where the CW have an advantage in ranged fight. So you would assume that a BiS CW playing like a nab, facetanking a fighter, would see the advantage coming from gear, deleted or diminished a lot. And die.
Instead, doing a facetank contest actually played in HIS favor!
Will try again after tenacity changes today...still think it's weird that pretty much i must AVOID facetanking a CW in melee range...
I know the big culprit is PNegation>>>>SF and vorpal >>> PF but...still...CW facetanking GWF like HE was the tanky fighter...i Lol'ed
This! You pointed it out by yourself, the problem is negation enchantment. If you clearly figured out it's p.negation+ , the CW will constantly have 30% more DR + shield.
Additionally is your PF contraproductive too, it keeps negation up all the time fully stacked.
Furthermore he is better equipped. I don't see the problem in CW class to be honest.
P.S I do mostly agree that SS is broken, everything else is fine in my opinion. Some things just synergieses too well, Could Shoulder + Negation + shield + thayan bast.
i have a pvp CW and for me when i have a 1v1 situation it's easy to fight :
vs SW this the worsth class ever for pvp so you don't see it enough in pvp
vs TR i learn how they play so i can anticipate and follow it to see it most of time
vs DC just need to control it outside this circle and you can kill it easy
vs GWF dogde all the big attack and control it
vs GF go behind oit all the time
vs OP dodge is ultimate and wait this buff dissapear
vs HR pray that is not a control HR.
good CW in this module just need to have lot of crit + lostmauth set and negation +shield in tab and is hard to kill it, if it's a renage/thauma build
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Yeah and playing with weponmater instead of Destroyer makes much sens... LOL
On a more seriuos note, IF you at this stat losing as a CW vs a GWF you are doing it wrong. Cmon the encounter CD is just as short as the at-wills cd for the GWF :P.
Having more or less 4 sec CD on disting and repell makes its extremly hard to fight a CW that knows what he is doing as a GWF.
Hi friend.I am not spreading lies.I support my theseis with well supported and validated arguments.I posted a video of a good CW (Obs) that participated in this thread .And in that video he evaporates a near BiS ,veteran pvp GF player in 5 secs.
I answered to all theseis of McJae with arguments.
I have nothing against CWs ,i just want balance.My whole motivation comes from the noble desire to make NW a better more balanced game.Let's keep it civilized please.
Peace!!
Have the 20k+ HoT boon, 20k damage boon, thayan bastion (not that good but until i get more LS chance i'm not feeling like going for endless consuption)
Have bravery rank 4 slotted in PvP
Have destroyer rank 4+ focused destroyer
Must note that the 42k SS proc i got it while sprinting actually...
Armor enchant is Gsoulforged, weapon enchant is plaguefire.
Enemy got for sure PNegation+ and i think Pvorpal+, shield on tab.
I was perplexed when i saw him stopping and just...standing still holding RoF so i tried to facetank (which i never do usually, i always keep moving during fights) cause it was weird he was actually that confident he could facetank me directly, and the fact is he did, and he still got 45%+ HP left after killing me.
We both got full damage stacks and probably he RoE on me, can't remember. Not like it makes any difference cause i can't dodge RoE so it's not like i can counter that.
Now, i'm no BiS but not undergeared either. I have no problem with a BiS CW destroying me, what perplexed me was that he could just decide to stand still and hold down mouse button and easily win a facetank contest.
Assuming that going with logic a GWF should have a big advantage in a facetank contest over a CW, where the CW have an advantage in ranged fight. So you would assume that a BiS CW playing like a nab, facetanking a fighter, would see the advantage coming from gear, deleted or diminished a lot. And die.
Instead, doing a facetank contest actually played in HIS favor!
Will try again after tenacity changes today...still think it's weird that pretty much i must AVOID facetanking a CW in melee range...
I know the big culprit is PNegation>>>>SF and vorpal >>> PF but...still...CW facetanking GWF like HE was the tanky fighter...i Lol'ed
Not to mention the severe reaction..
vs SW this the worsth class ever for pvp so you don't see it enough in pvp
vs TR i learn how they play so i can anticipate and follow it to see it most of time
vs DC just need to control it outside this circle and you can kill it easy
vs GWF dogde all the big attack and control it
vs GF go behind oit all the time
vs OP dodge is ultimate and wait this buff dissapear
vs HR pray that is not a control HR.
good CW in this module just need to have lot of crit + lostmauth set and negation +shield in tab and is hard to kill it, if it's a renage/thauma build
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