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#1.2 "get off my node" – Discussion Thread
nuudlz
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Hey PVP-Community!
Anything you want to discuss about upcoming GOMN #1.2? Drop your opinions, questions, suggestions or feedback in here!
Everything is very welcome and I'll try to provide as many answers as I can to clear any confusions. Based on your questions we will also update the FAQ continually. The more questions you have the better so to say. (:
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Will there be any match-up dependency based on individual IL, average team IL, etc.? iirc you were previously going to do multiple brackets based on gear score in M3. But in any case, if a 2-3k IL team registers and then gets matched versus 4.8k+ monsters first round, it doesn't sound like it will alleviate the "sick of running into premades as pugs" or "sick of running into pugs as premade" ordeal. Something like 4K+ and below 4K, or additional tiers, might encourage more participants. Hosting matches on the test server could be one of many options to alleviate gear discrepancies.
To be frank, veteran players do not need a tournament or prize to participate in premades or organized pvp, and I would go as far as to say that if they really are invested in making the pvp community better, they should not participate or should be confined to their own bracket, and I would encourage them to volunteer to mentor or back-up other teams instead. In my opinion, a community tournament should be centered as much as possible around inspiring competition from new talent, new pvp community members, new guilds, etc.
As it stands, this scenario may very well happen:
Is this:
A. Matched comp rainbows
ie. Team 1 has TR/SW/DC/OP/CW so Team 2 must also field/match this comp.
B. Any rainbow vs. Any rainbow
ie. Team 1 and Team 2 have unannouced rainbow comps (element of surprise?), they que up, and so long as it is in fact rainbow vs rainbow, the match proceeds/counts.
That said, I would be happy to help you with this event if you want :cool:
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Hey Ezra!
I really appriciate your constructive questions. Lemme catch the answers for you (and put them into the FAQ):
Base on our experience from the last try in 2013 we can't put up multiple brackets yet (based on player numbers). It is also very hard to control since there are alot of new players playing this game. Back in mod3 we were mostly able to see who's "cheating" with GS and who's not based on their @-handles. Nowadays... we lost track.
That's the reason why we only run a single bracket. But further GOMN will maybe a multiple bracket tournament.
That's the reason why we allowed every team 3 backup players. There are 8 classes out there and it is hard to match comps right now. But we still want to keep it as fair as possible. But I will leave the discussion open for the facing teams. There are some groups out there that can't provide a SW for example.
Nonono - only the match the teams scheduled to face each other will count. Friendly matches or anything else won't count.
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Hi & thank you!
I like your idea but sadly we are unable to control it. People may switch out their gear and stuff. Even with ACT we can't provide a match with your rules. That's the reason why decided to allow every piece of item.
I hope you can understand or decision.
Greetings!
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thank for the effort to do a tournament.
i have some question.
you do only bracket like play tennis tournament ? there is no preliminary round ?
i think it's better to do some preliminary round or a double elmination bracket because the team have just 1 match.
or we can do a BO3 single bracket.
if i come with my team and loose the match the tournament are end.... this not a very good experience and competitivty tournament.
second question is about rainbow team : this mean only 1 class per team ? and the backup player are the same ?
exemple : rainbow team = CW/DC/HR/TR/OP and backup player SW/GF/GWF
or we can have rainbow team GWF/DC/HR/TR/ CW and backup player CW/TR/DC.
for players who said this a P2W tournament, with this configuration of bracket yes.... but if you do preliminary round with seeded or a BO3 or a double elimations bracket, perhaps is better for low team.
WTB Class Reroll please
1. It eliminates gear gap.
2. You can control which enchant/artifact to ban (feytouched, lifedrinker, wheel are all broken on certain classes atm).
Hey.
I fully agree with you and Double Elimination would be alot better but based on the experience from the last (and only) pvp tournament (Fistful of Zen) the double elimination had the problem that teams couldn't get their match sync'd and running.
For the start of the series we decided to run SE to test out how the match scheduling will work. If we are kinda successful we might switch to DSE for the next one.
Actually there is /NO/ experience at all in this tournament because it's our first one.
Yes, per match.
The idea of having backup players is to provide the possibility to match compositions with the facing enemy every time. But that's only the idea and not a must-have.
Both.
Hi.
We can't decide what's broken and what's not in general. For example: Right now Shadow Opportunity is broken by multiproccing. But people already used before it was bugged. Can we force them to not use it then? No. It would be a huge disadvantage for the whole Sabo build. But facing teams are allowed to talk to each other before the match. So they can regulate such things on their own.
The ACT log is only to check if someone used Elixir of Life or if someone broke a rule the two teams set up before their match (for example: SW bug is not allowed, both teams agreed on it).
It is easier to just run battlelog=1 and import it later into ACT to prevent FPS drop. If you still can't run it, let another teammember run it.
Hi.
Preview server is a good idea but up to the facing teams. Sometimes the PTR isn't up or even more laggy than the live one. We will put this into the rules.
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Please remember that this is a player driven event. We can only work with the tools we have and our administration/moderation possibilities are very limited.
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With regards to the P2W issue, it makes sense to hand out free R10 and Perfect enchants to everyone participating if it was on Preview cuz, boo yah, items there got no real value.
PS: See, I have a Preview stash enough for 3 ppl. Oh yeah, there's my team! And everyone can do the same.
If it were smaller teams of 2 or 3, maybe easier to have separate brackets. All classes are equally broken in one aspect or another, but what exactly would you hope to accomplish by leaving out the biggest population of PvP? It's hard enough to say that tournaments like this get willing participants to begin with.
Hey -
this decision really depends on the facing teams. I actually can't think of a rule that would be fair for both. That's the problem of too many classes
This is only for the "doesn't want to play with/against" part. For the "doesn't have" one we've to figure something out to match comps. The problem is still the same tho' - too many classes.
Also this "my first time" so I have no idea how rainbowish the teams are going to be. You can see this as an experiment for further events.
None taken. (:
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WTB Class Reroll please
Well if it's not bugged and actually WAI then please excuse me. I'm not a SW expert and barely know the feats. (But that's not what this thread is about.)
It's not my intention to fingerpoint any class. I just wanted to give you an example for your question about the ACT logs. You can replace it with
-- Bugged Feytouch
-- Multiproccing SO
-- Multiproccing SS
and so on.
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Sure - just tell me how to provide this rule? How will you control that someone is not using r12 and trans during the match?
We have no idea which enchantment will still be broken when the tournament is going to start.
Yes - that's what are we trying to do. And everybody who's willing to contribute is very welcome.
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But SW/HR/GF/GWF/CW vs. TR/GWF/OP/DC/CW seems pretty rough to me.
We are not allowed to set a rule (banning class combinations) like this by the ToS:
You can find the original post here.
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Only broken cause of multi proccing? I think that Shadow Oppurtunity is broken in general and you as CS member know that, since your guild (like the other 3 known PvP guilds) are abusing it like crazy together with Lostmauth set. Or don't you notice the very easy kills by just spamming CoS? At least Lifedrinker got fixed cause your guild also liked that Enchant a lot.
Funny that you mention SW as a bug but pretty much allow a broken path as Sab (and the excuse for saying using it before mod 6 is also bs, since most of the PvP TR's were Exec TR's in mod 5). Cause I can also mention that a Fury Hellbring SW simply can't evade using Hand of Blight simply cause it's the only Necrotic At-Will (next to Spiral which is more like a buff than a DPS At-Will). So saying Sab is allowed and let the SW stuff be judged when the match starts is very hypocritical. Next to that, also a OP can get this "0 damage" thing and TR's in lesser degree.
But anyways probably just few guilds that will join this tournament simply cause allowing these several PvP Guilds known for the WAI stuff play in this and most simply don't want to spend any time in this (like me). PvP should be about teamplay and skills, not who ever abuses the most bugged or overpowered stuff. It's nothing personal and I know few people in PvP Guilds try to evade WAI stuff but from my own experience + the forum topics it's known that a lot of players have seen this and that simply gives these guilds a bad reputation.
As long all these bugs are in the game, a tournament is a bad idea. If I have to bring up a team full of people specced for WAI stuff I simply won't enjoy it. Also the person that will be the "judge" should be someone that has simply has no connection with EoA, 7k, CS and Absolute, cause else its always biased even when you try to be neutral.
Not to mention that the amount of ppl that have IL: 4k+ is not that large so competing against a premade with 4k+ ppl for a lot of people is simply an instant loss.
Broken because of multiproccing, yes. The rest is WAI - even tho' the feat itself is op.
And I can't force you to believe that most premade TRs played Sab in mod5 after the initial fix from Shadow Of Demise.
Which would be start.
And that's absolutely fine. But I don't understand the difference between queueing up with your team in matchmaking or queueing up with your team against your tourney opponent. The tournament doesn't change the PvP ingame at all and the only thing you're going to miss is the chance of winning something.
Thats why we are trying to set up more Premades vs Premades with a tournament like this.
We can't fix bugs. We can't fix overpowered items/powers. We can't provide different PvP modes. What we can provide, or actually trying to provide is a base.
Maybe - maybe not. There always will be bugs in the game and always people using these bugs to their advantage. Of course it would be awesome if there were no bugs at all but I'm not responsible for that or players actions. I still want to try it out. And if it doesn't work at all I will atleast know it.
1.) There won't be a judge at all. Facing teams are completly free to talk to each other and make up match rules.
2.) Yes - maybe a neutral person would be better... but someone has at least to start a thing like this.
The teams are allowed to play against each other on the PTR to odd out the gear gaps.
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That is like the stupidest idea ever, you of all people (a pvp'er) should know some classes take better advantage of having rank 7s than others, some classes in mod 6 actually have to be BiS or close to BiS to be a threat at all, GWF, HR, SW for example ...
As for Broken enchants, what enchant is not broken? I am rocking a trans vorpal and I am debuffing myself FFS, hopefully by the 10th of July the devs will have pulled their thumbs out of their @sses and will have fixed PvP ...
I'm not really sure why the gear gap is still a thing since we made it pretty clear that facing teams can do their matches on the PTR to even it out and everybody can rock in BiS gear. \o/
And about the tournament pot - if people really don't want any prize I'm down for that. I bet we can discuss this idea here.
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As for me, I am not sure if I'd want to participate in this tournament since I am 99% sure there will be toxict enviroment during the match or after even though I could use some GMOPs. Besides I am a PvP SW, something that should probably never step into pvp at all and they broke a couple of our essential pvp powers recently like IS or HS, which makes me even less motivated.
WTB Class Reroll please
Even that shouldn't be an issue because we can offer players R12s and Trans.-Enchantments on the PTR. Of course we can't give out full refined Artifact-Equip. due to the fact its BoP. But with the reworked refinment system and the possibility to refine stacks it won't take that long and isn't a huge pain in the ***.
We can't help with everything but we can make things alot easier.
Also it is easier to provide everyone with BiS gear on the PTR than trying to control that people only run with R7s and only perfects at maximum.
We'll update the FAQ to make this more clear.
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To be honest, this tourney will pretty much have to be a free for all in order to work. There is no way to enforce any kind of rules about what can be used during a match. You'll end up with sheer chaos and no one really knowing if matches were won via playing by the rules.
PVP has always been about powergaming. You make your toon and playstyle as strong as you can given the resources everyone has access to. The whole legit/not legit thing is silly. PVP is out of control because the game is buggy as hell, period. As long as there is a good flow of information the playing field is even. I won't be on here any time soon to respond to this but really: everyone has access to the same classes, the same bugged powers, the same bugged enchants, everything. We can say it comes down to p2w. It doesn't. It is the same as always: you pay to buy in to the top tier of competition. Everything else (gear, bugs, everything) being the same- it is the better players who win.
Preview server seems like a nice idea to me.
If you need any help with gearing people on preview, i think we (channel) may help a bit.
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