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How to know your party is going to wipe; a quick guide.
query523
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Greetings adventurer. Have you found yourself once again standing forlorn at the gates of a boss fight wondering where it all went long and crying over you diminishing supply of injury kits? This is a quick guide to help you see the utter failure that will occur before you reach that sorry state. There are clear warning signs that the party you have joined is going to fail miserably before you waste your time actually attempting the content.
1. Everyone is arguing. There is a saying, "Fix the problem not the blame." If the first time something goes wrong party members begin arguing over who should have done what it is a clear sign that you are with people who cannot work together. This is a definite sign of a wasted attempt.
2. Nobody is talking. Admittedly this can be a very good sign. You may have run into a group of friends who do this together and know what their plan is so do not need to discuss it. If nobody is talking and the run is going smoothely then congadulations! You have picked a winner. If however when there are problems nobody says anything and they continue to charge blindly at the mobs without trying to work out a plan you are on the fast train to failure.
3. You are the only person rezzing others. There is some serious spike damage in T2. Folks will occasionally die. If nobody is ressurecting them your chances of failure increase exponentially.
4. Everyone is trying to rez. If someone goes down and two people try to pick them up you are doubling the ammount of aggro/ CC/ and AOE directed at all three of them. This failure is avoidable if you express this problem, your party understands and aggrees.
5. The party wants a very specific composition. Mod6 content takes a certain modicum of skill to navigate. People who do not realize this over-focus on composition. Maybe they had several successfull runs with 2CWs so they always want to run with 2. Completely unaware that the reason it worked before was because they had 2 very skilled CWs. When encountering a group looking spoecifically for your class and possibly feat tree and enchntment type beware! Odds are extremely high that they have no idea what they are doing and will be relying on you to carry them.
6. Excessive vote-kicking. Much like the specific composition party this is a bad sign. Basically it shows that there are a signifigant number of people who want to roll the dice and see if they get lucky and find someone who can carry them. Likely they do not realize that the problem is that they themselves are in over their head.
7. You know no one in the party. Now I am not saying that a random PuG can't be fun or won't succeed. I met some fine individuals that way. But if you are in a party with someone you know and have worked with previously that means 40% of the organizing and planning is already taken care of. Who know you may end up being the 'magic classes' that someone later includes in their very specific party composition....
1. Everyone is arguing. There is a saying, "Fix the problem not the blame." If the first time something goes wrong party members begin arguing over who should have done what it is a clear sign that you are with people who cannot work together. This is a definite sign of a wasted attempt.
2. Nobody is talking. Admittedly this can be a very good sign. You may have run into a group of friends who do this together and know what their plan is so do not need to discuss it. If nobody is talking and the run is going smoothely then congadulations! You have picked a winner. If however when there are problems nobody says anything and they continue to charge blindly at the mobs without trying to work out a plan you are on the fast train to failure.
3. You are the only person rezzing others. There is some serious spike damage in T2. Folks will occasionally die. If nobody is ressurecting them your chances of failure increase exponentially.
4. Everyone is trying to rez. If someone goes down and two people try to pick them up you are doubling the ammount of aggro/ CC/ and AOE directed at all three of them. This failure is avoidable if you express this problem, your party understands and aggrees.
5. The party wants a very specific composition. Mod6 content takes a certain modicum of skill to navigate. People who do not realize this over-focus on composition. Maybe they had several successfull runs with 2CWs so they always want to run with 2. Completely unaware that the reason it worked before was because they had 2 very skilled CWs. When encountering a group looking spoecifically for your class and possibly feat tree and enchntment type beware! Odds are extremely high that they have no idea what they are doing and will be relying on you to carry them.
6. Excessive vote-kicking. Much like the specific composition party this is a bad sign. Basically it shows that there are a signifigant number of people who want to roll the dice and see if they get lucky and find someone who can carry them. Likely they do not realize that the problem is that they themselves are in over their head.
7. You know no one in the party. Now I am not saying that a random PuG can't be fun or won't succeed. I met some fine individuals that way. But if you are in a party with someone you know and have worked with previously that means 40% of the organizing and planning is already taken care of. Who know you may end up being the 'magic classes' that someone later includes in their very specific party composition....
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Maybe I should seek a guild...
Well that is what I meant by very specific composition. I generally go fo the same thing in ToS. 2 AOE CC (HR or CW) 1 single target (GWF/ TR) tank and heals. But when someone says they want, and you will see this. "2CWs 1 GWF 1 DC and one OP" you are dealing with people who do not understand the content or roles and believe that this magical formula will somehow win. I've also run it with groups fairly divergent from that model. Takes more planning but is doable. Having roles and a plan is not, to me, an overly specific composition. Just planning and understanding the content. But when people look for highly specific composition your likelyhood of a fail is higher because they don't know WHY those classes work and what other classes can form the same synergy.
I feel that to legitimately beat eCC with an undergeared party you will require a very specific party comp, with specific classes instead of just 2 controllers and 1 single target. Similar to how, in mod 0, the party comp for beating edv was 2x cleric, 2x tr and 1x CW.
I can agree with this, as I did not need this guide beforehand myself and I intend to hoist a flag of traven blackdagger's corpse.
Details are IMHO a matter of taste. The guide - or I'd rather call it a checklist - is definitely useful. I'd add in "overdragging / overaggroing". Yes, it can take longer to kill the mobs one lump at a time. But waiting for the tank to come back from the campfire excursion after each clash takes even longer... ...and some people seem to have problems with the concept of "adaptability".
GJ, query523
1.CLOSE valor 2.fighters recovery do an encounter to get life whatever.3.back to valor..SO let your member die instead you if you wipe all will wipe.( in a hard fight like t2).
That pretty much sums it up. :-)
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
- dpsing outside the shield and not within or circling within it while dpsing.
- misplaced astral shield on ridiculous location such as... half of the shield within the wall.
I didn't know such things were possible. :eek:
There is an inverse to that problem. I've seen a couple of times AS dropped well behind the melle on top of the ranged DPS. Meaning the tank has to draw aggro (and AOEs) on top of the party instead of away from it. But I think most of the specific cases I am seeing in the thread fall unser "Not communicating with the party" and/ or "fixing the blame and not the problem"
Regarding resurrecting others, I always have the lathandar artifact equipped for use. The clerics are a good class to use this as they should have a generally good overview of the battle and likewise as you can get them to full health as well with your encounters as they resurrect. Also the lathandar while save you vital seconds that the other resurrection does not give you and it will also partially solve the problem of too many people trying to ressurect. Also regarding who is being resurrected, this might sound a bit stupid, but if your tank is the one dying the most that is a sign that they are doing a good(ish) job if you are resurrecting dps classes then its a sign of many more wipes to come.
unless the range DPS is in full health, i'm guessing that is a mistake placed specially when Bastion of Health indicator is the same size as Astral Shield. So, when the DPS was on low HP, instead of BoH them, the DC accidentally AS on them. Been to this path... Lesson learned during early days and place both of them 1 slot apart from each other ever since. xDDD
/gfxsetdefaultfov 80
(in your chat window).
Really? We run premade. If playing DC, I use chains to place PF and feat debuffs on the trash. Astral shield is just needed in T2 without 2 CC classes or bossfights, at last in the groups I run with.
In PuG runs, IF I qued with my DC (did not do it in Mod 6), I asked the group, if They prefer a buff/debuff or a heal/ AS setup.
All this can be noticed only after a while, say after the first wipe on a boss. At this stage it's already too late, your time is wasted no matter what. Could you instead give some immediate hints, like "there is a GWF in the DP" or "someone has the latest companion of the cash shop"
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I have met such clerics in pugs and it means i have to dodge everything, which is a significant loss of damage. It's just better when a DC casts empowered shield in T1s, dps can facetank almost everything and stuff dies faster when you're not dodging for your life while the DC is having fun using chains or whatever.
I play a DC and a CW, it helps improving my game style when I notice something annoying when playind dps or when I'm healing others. And the lack of damage mitigation and heals means that half of the times i'm cancelling steal time because i'm taking too much damage.