It's easy to be a good PvP player with TR's though since that class has PLENTY of utility to counter all the classes.
That's why everyone is annoyed at TR.
Running around using the SoD glitch against poorly skilled characters and killing them is easy yes.
Being a good TR that can contest nodes against multiple opponents consistently for an entire match however is not.
Skilled players, and people running premades generally don't complain about TRs. They just adapt, as that is what smart players do.
Constantly hear people say how easy the TR is and it makes me laugh. As not one single class in this game is difficult to play. They all however are difficult to excel at, only an ignorant person would think otherwise.
Running around using the SoD glitch against poorly skilled characters and killing them is easy yes.
Being a good TR that can contest nodes against multiple opponents consistently for an entire match however is not.
Skilled players, and people running premades generally don't complain about TRs. They just adapt, as that is what smart players do.
Constantly hear people say how easy the TR is and it makes me laugh. As not one single class in this game is difficult to play. They all however are difficult to excel at, only an ignorant person would think otherwise.
What in the world man. TR are grossly OP to the point of being broken. The solution is not to adapt. It is to adjust the class that is broken. It is absurd man. Stating it is okay that a TR can one shot another player is in some way due to tactics is pure dumb. The problem and what the devs are not grasping is all this does to a community like xbox is force players to quit. They are not going to wait until mod whatever for a fix.
So **** up. Running an OP class and defending it means you are a no skill scrub. Stop wasting people's time. BTW that is the polite way to state it.
What in the world man. TR are grossly OP to the point of being broken. The solution is not to adapt. It is to adjust the class that is broken. It is absurd man. Stating it is okay that a TR can one shot another player is in some way due to tactics is pure dumb. The problem and what the devs are not grasping is all this does to a community like xbox is force players to quit. They are not going to wait until mod whatever for a fix.
So **** up. Running an OP class and defending it means you are a no skill scrub. Stop wasting people's time. BTW that is the polite way to state it.
While my first instinct is to smash you with my knowledge of the game and my word ninjary, I've decided to at least understand where you are coming from to help you.
Lets talk about you instead. What class are you playing? What encounters are you using? What are your stat priorities, gear choices and gear score? What is your build, and feat points? Do you actually want to learn and get better at PvP? Or do you have some personal idea of what YOU think a TR should be in NW and are comparing it to other mmo's with Assassin Type classes? Do you know and understand the difference in TR builds and encounters?
Calling me a scrub with no skill is going to get you nowhere, and only bring others to flame you, as my name is well known in the Xbox PvP community and by no means would anyone consider my play skilless, or scrubbish.
I also don't use the SoD glitch and I guarantee I kill people faster as a Scoundrel then 98% of SoD glitching TRs.
If you actually want to get better at PvP I am more than happy to assist you with what I know, answer a few simple questions and I will give you the know-how to correct the errors you may be making.
If all you want to do is complain about a class without putting any effort at all into the why, then you are wasting your time, and everyone elses. Just don't Q for PvP anymore and that will fix all your problems.
While my first instinct is to smash you with my knowledge of the game and my word ninjary, I've decided to at least understand where you are coming from to help you.
Lets talk about you instead. What class are you playing? What encounters are you using? What are your stat priorities, gear choices and gear score? What is your build, and feat points? Do you actually want to learn and get better at PvP? Or do you have some personal idea of what YOU think a TR should be in NW and are comparing it to other mmo's with Assassin Type classes? Do you know and understand the difference in TR builds and encounters?
Calling me a scrub with no skill is going to get you nowhere, and only bring others to flame you, as my name is well known in the Xbox PvP community and by no means would anyone consider my play skilless, or scrubbish.
I also don't use the SoD glitch and I guarantee I kill people faster as a Scoundrel then 98% of SoD glitching TRs.
If you actually want to get better at PvP I am more than happy to assist you with what I know, answer a few simple questions and I will give you the know-how to correct the errors you may be making.
If all you want to do is complain about a class without putting any effort at all into the why, then you are wasting your time, and everyone elses. Just don't Q for PvP anymore and that will fix all your problems.
Smash me with knowledge of the game? Do you at least play it? Give us all a break. TR has to be the most broken OP class in any game I have played. It is so broken it is Undefendable so please just give it a rest. All these threads exist because rogues are running around cc and one shotting people. Most if not 99% of the player base, including the Rogues I know, think it is stupid. All of us hope it is fixed soon because this game needs competitive pvp. Play a SW with all your "skill" and see how it goes champ. Until then take my advice a **** your pie hole. At least have enough self respect to admit you have no skill and play easy mode.
The devs need to get on this because xbox is not pc and no one will stick around with TR in its current state. Honestly, 95% of all matches are 80% TR.
The threads exist because TR are OP and your lack of understanding the game and tactics or personal bias contributed to the ridiculous posts defending TR. Look man. If TR did not one shot everything and took more than 2 brain cells to play you could have a point... but facts and logic are not your friend.
Get it? Do you need more help? Lol
Why are you a scrub? Because you play a grossly OP class and to naive to realize it. Play something else man. I mean come on. Lol... I knwe it. Here comes thar CW. Hence, my special snowflake, you are a scrub.
Smash me with knowledge of the game? Do you at least play it? Give us all a break. TR has to be the most broken OP class in any game I have played. It is so broken it is Undefendable so please just give it a rest. All these threads exist because rogues are running around cc and one shotting people. Most if not 99% of the player base, including the Rogues I know, think it is stupid. All of us hope it is fixed soon because this game needs competitive pvp. Play a SW with all your "skill" and see how it goes champ. Until then take my advice a **** your pie hole. At least have enough self respect to admit you have no skill and play easy mode.
The devs need to get on this because xbox is not pc and no one will stick around with TR in its current state. Honestly, 95% of all matches are 80% TR.
The threads exist because TR are OP and your lack of understanding the game and tactics or personal bias contributed to the ridiculous posts defending TR. Look man. If TR did not one shot everything and took more than 2 brain cells to play you could have a point... but facts and logic are not your friend.
Get it? Do you need more help? Lol
Obviously you don't want to get any better. I at least tried to help you.
I had more kills in this game and less deaths than both rogues on both teams... combined So OP!
Yes... HR have some issues as well. CW is in the same boat. I am not saying any game can have perfect balance but come on.
TR need some work first. The CW and HR. Class balance implies viability for all classes. Look man. I am not advocating nerfing other classes to nothing. I am stating pvp class balance needs some serious work. Defending the current state of affairs is good for no one.
GFs are also OP because I can tank a team at a node for longer than expected. Guard is OP, nerf it.
Rogue is OP because /read above, nerf them.
Hunters are op because of no real CD on their trapper rotation, spam aoe roots etc., nerf them.
CW is OP because they're all Sith Lords with Force Choke and dumb dumb damage and control.
Clerics can solo a node and never die, nerf them.
Warlock is almost as good as a CW, nerf them, but not too much and fix some of their buggy skills.
GWF.....WTB Buff or a gift card for $6000 worth of Zen.
I have summed up the forums on the topic of PvP Balance.
Oh Wait.
Paladin can't die nerf them!
I think people forget that domination is a 5v5 and not a 1v1. 1 Rogue may be king/queen of 1v1 right now, adjustments needed to the class. 2 Trapper Hunters may be kings/queens of 2v2, adjustments needed to the class. But it's a 5v5, hold a point, domination game. For instance, my GF wouldn't even be able to kill a level 40 anything because I do no damage, but I'll solo 4 out of 5 of the enemy team members and make the enemy team waste a good 30 seconds - 2 minutes trying to kill me at a node so the rest of my team gets everything else and comes in for the swarm.
GFs are also OP because I can tank a team at a node for longer than expected. Guard is OP, nerf it.
Rogue is OP because /read above, nerf them.
Hunters are op because of no real CD on their trapper rotation, spam aoe roots etc., nerf them.
CW is OP because they're all Sith Lords with Force Choke and dumb dumb damage and control.
Clerics can solo a node and never die, nerf them.
Warlock is almost as good as a CW, nerf them, but not too much and fix some of their buggy skills.
GWF.....WTB Buff or a gift card for $6000 worth of Zen.
I have summed up the forums on the topic of PvP Balance.
Oh Wait.
Paladin can't die nerf them!
I think people forget that domination is a 5v5 and not a 1v1. 1 Rogue may be king/queen of 1v1 right now, adjustments needed to the class. 2 Trapper Hunters may be kings/queens of 2v2, adjustments needed to the class. But it's a 5v5, hold a point, domination game. For instance, my GF wouldn't even be able to kill a level 40 anything because I do no damage, but I'll solo 4 out of 5 of the enemy team members and make the enemy team waste a good 30 seconds - 2 minutes trying to kill me at a node so the rest of my team gets everything else and comes in for the swarm.
your argument is only 50% true because these nerf threads were at different times, and some of them were fair. deal with the pvp, look for improvement is part, and of course many of the crying is from people that want it easy and dont even understand the game. However, there is still the part where feedback is important to improve the game mechanics and the feedback is actually fair
your argument is only 50% true because these nerf threads were at different times, and some of them were fair. deal with the pvp, look for improvement is part, and of course many of the crying is from people that want it easy and dont even understand the game. However, there is still the part where feedback is important to improve the game mechanics and the feedback is actually fair
I may have said what I wanted to say in a long winded manner that wasn't so clear.
The first part was to make the point that there are imbalances, but there will always be complaints and I just pointed out some legitimate and some sarcastic ones that have come up in the last 45 days that the game has been live on xbox specifically.
The second part was to remind that the mean of the team weighs more in domination (Communication, strategy, gear, class mixes etc), and not the individual player's class as much, with "adjustments needed" to each class of course.
Rogues are dirty op when they hit someone with a low gear score for sure. No doubt. 9k GS rogue 1 shots 10k gs anything. Once both sides grinding out the eye bleeding gear and farm out the months worth of marks that doesn't happen as much. Also, taking strategy into consideration, having a GF running Knight's Valor completely takes out that 1 shot trick from the TR. I'm sure there are other ways other classes can mitigate that which requires a team.
One thing about the importance on feedback that I have a question about. The mods are already set on PC, so aren't we just going to get what the PC already had so no matter what is said here, we will get the predetermined next mod since we are behind the pc?
I may have said what I wanted to say in a long winded manner that wasn't so clear.
The first part was to make the point that there are imbalances, but there will always be complaints and I just pointed out some legitimate and some sarcastic ones that have come up in the last 45 days that the game has been live on xbox specifically.
The second part was to remind that the mean of the team weighs more in domination (Communication, strategy, gear, class mixes etc), and not the individual player's class as much, with "adjustments needed" to each class of course.
Rogues are dirty op when they hit someone with a low gear score for sure. No doubt. 9k GS rogue 1 shots 10k gs anything. Once both sides grinding out the eye bleeding gear and farm out the months worth of marks that doesn't happen as much. Also, taking strategy into consideration, having a GF running Knight's Valor completely takes out that 1 shot trick from the TR. I'm sure there are other ways other classes can mitigate that which requires a team.
One thing about the importance on feedback that I have a question about. The mods are already set on PC, so aren't we just going to get what the PC already had so no matter what is said here, we will get the predetermined next mod since we are behind the pc?
oh yeah of course. not more frustrating than having a team that cares more for kills than holding a node.
GFs are also OP because I can tank a team at a node for longer than expected. Guard is OP, nerf it.
Rogue is OP because /read above, nerf them.
Hunters are op because of no real CD on their trapper rotation, spam aoe roots etc., nerf them.
CW is OP because they're all Sith Lords with Force Choke and dumb dumb damage and control.
Clerics can solo a node and never die, nerf them.
Warlock is almost as good as a CW, nerf them, but not too much and fix some of their buggy skills.
GWF.....WTB Buff or a gift card for $6000 worth of Zen.
I have summed up the forums on the topic of PvP Balance.
Oh Wait.
Paladin can't die nerf them!
I think people forget that domination is a 5v5 and not a 1v1. 1 Rogue may be king/queen of 1v1 right now, adjustments needed to the class. 2 Trapper Hunters may be kings/queens of 2v2, adjustments needed to the class. But it's a 5v5, hold a point, domination game. For instance, my GF wouldn't even be able to kill a level 40 anything because I do no damage, but I'll solo 4 out of 5 of the enemy team members and make the enemy team waste a good 30 seconds - 2 minutes trying to kill me at a node so the rest of my team gets everything else and comes in for the swarm.
Spouting out nonsense means nothing. TR are extremely OP and need a nerf. It is really not up for debate.
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Running around using the SoD glitch against poorly skilled characters and killing them is easy yes.
Being a good TR that can contest nodes against multiple opponents consistently for an entire match however is not.
Skilled players, and people running premades generally don't complain about TRs. They just adapt, as that is what smart players do.
Constantly hear people say how easy the TR is and it makes me laugh. As not one single class in this game is difficult to play. They all however are difficult to excel at, only an ignorant person would think otherwise.
What in the world man. TR are grossly OP to the point of being broken. The solution is not to adapt. It is to adjust the class that is broken. It is absurd man. Stating it is okay that a TR can one shot another player is in some way due to tactics is pure dumb. The problem and what the devs are not grasping is all this does to a community like xbox is force players to quit. They are not going to wait until mod whatever for a fix.
So **** up. Running an OP class and defending it means you are a no skill scrub. Stop wasting people's time. BTW that is the polite way to state it.
While my first instinct is to smash you with my knowledge of the game and my word ninjary, I've decided to at least understand where you are coming from to help you.
Lets talk about you instead. What class are you playing? What encounters are you using? What are your stat priorities, gear choices and gear score? What is your build, and feat points? Do you actually want to learn and get better at PvP? Or do you have some personal idea of what YOU think a TR should be in NW and are comparing it to other mmo's with Assassin Type classes? Do you know and understand the difference in TR builds and encounters?
Calling me a scrub with no skill is going to get you nowhere, and only bring others to flame you, as my name is well known in the Xbox PvP community and by no means would anyone consider my play skilless, or scrubbish.
I also don't use the SoD glitch and I guarantee I kill people faster as a Scoundrel then 98% of SoD glitching TRs.
If you actually want to get better at PvP I am more than happy to assist you with what I know, answer a few simple questions and I will give you the know-how to correct the errors you may be making.
If all you want to do is complain about a class without putting any effort at all into the why, then you are wasting your time, and everyone elses. Just don't Q for PvP anymore and that will fix all your problems.
Smash me with knowledge of the game? Do you at least play it? Give us all a break. TR has to be the most broken OP class in any game I have played. It is so broken it is Undefendable so please just give it a rest. All these threads exist because rogues are running around cc and one shotting people. Most if not 99% of the player base, including the Rogues I know, think it is stupid. All of us hope it is fixed soon because this game needs competitive pvp. Play a SW with all your "skill" and see how it goes champ. Until then take my advice a **** your pie hole. At least have enough self respect to admit you have no skill and play easy mode.
The devs need to get on this because xbox is not pc and no one will stick around with TR in its current state. Honestly, 95% of all matches are 80% TR.
The threads exist because TR are OP and your lack of understanding the game and tactics or personal bias contributed to the ridiculous posts defending TR. Look man. If TR did not one shot everything and took more than 2 brain cells to play you could have a point... but facts and logic are not your friend.
Get it? Do you need more help? Lol
Why are you a scrub? Because you play a grossly OP class and to naive to realize it. Play something else man. I mean come on. Lol... I knwe it. Here comes thar CW. Hence, my special snowflake, you are a scrub.
Obviously you don't want to get any better. I at least tried to help you.
I got nothing for ya man, GL to ya
http://xboxclips.com/BEHARD1026/screenshots/7343c043-aa69-447a-8a27-4c9fd09e24e4
I had more kills in this game and less deaths than both rogues on both teams... combined
Obviously you don't either or would play a class that took some skill. I rest my point. Thank you. Dude... TR cc and one shot other players....
Yes... HR have some issues as well. CW is in the same boat. I am not saying any game can have perfect balance but come on.
TR need some work first. The CW and HR. Class balance implies viability for all classes. Look man. I am not advocating nerfing other classes to nothing. I am stating pvp class balance needs some serious work. Defending the current state of affairs is good for no one.
Lol you're running a trapper HR...
Against an obviously horrible team. Forget the TR's, look at the other teams numbers.
Cmon now.
Not trying to be a HAMSTER but that screenshot literally proves nothing.
maybe that explain why the "pvp" guilds always run with 2 trappers and 2 trs.
DENIAL
In Rekt we generally never stack any teams. We play with whoever is on.
Player skill > class anyday!!
< Goon Squad >
Yes.
GFs are also OP because I can tank a team at a node for longer than expected. Guard is OP, nerf it.
Rogue is OP because /read above, nerf them.
Hunters are op because of no real CD on their trapper rotation, spam aoe roots etc., nerf them.
CW is OP because they're all Sith Lords with Force Choke and dumb dumb damage and control.
Clerics can solo a node and never die, nerf them.
Warlock is almost as good as a CW, nerf them, but not too much and fix some of their buggy skills.
GWF.....WTB Buff or a gift card for $6000 worth of Zen.
I have summed up the forums on the topic of PvP Balance.
Oh Wait.
Paladin can't die nerf them!
I think people forget that domination is a 5v5 and not a 1v1. 1 Rogue may be king/queen of 1v1 right now, adjustments needed to the class. 2 Trapper Hunters may be kings/queens of 2v2, adjustments needed to the class. But it's a 5v5, hold a point, domination game. For instance, my GF wouldn't even be able to kill a level 40 anything because I do no damage, but I'll solo 4 out of 5 of the enemy team members and make the enemy team waste a good 30 seconds - 2 minutes trying to kill me at a node so the rest of my team gets everything else and comes in for the swarm.
your argument is only 50% true because these nerf threads were at different times, and some of them were fair. deal with the pvp, look for improvement is part, and of course many of the crying is from people that want it easy and dont even understand the game. However, there is still the part where feedback is important to improve the game mechanics and the feedback is actually fair
DENIAL
I may have said what I wanted to say in a long winded manner that wasn't so clear.
The first part was to make the point that there are imbalances, but there will always be complaints and I just pointed out some legitimate and some sarcastic ones that have come up in the last 45 days that the game has been live on xbox specifically.
The second part was to remind that the mean of the team weighs more in domination (Communication, strategy, gear, class mixes etc), and not the individual player's class as much, with "adjustments needed" to each class of course.
Rogues are dirty op when they hit someone with a low gear score for sure. No doubt. 9k GS rogue 1 shots 10k gs anything. Once both sides grinding out the eye bleeding gear and farm out the months worth of marks that doesn't happen as much. Also, taking strategy into consideration, having a GF running Knight's Valor completely takes out that 1 shot trick from the TR. I'm sure there are other ways other classes can mitigate that which requires a team.
One thing about the importance on feedback that I have a question about. The mods are already set on PC, so aren't we just going to get what the PC already had so no matter what is said here, we will get the predetermined next mod since we are behind the pc?
oh yeah of course. not more frustrating than having a team that cares more for kills than holding a node.
DENIAL
Rogue is fine, but SOD with a DOT enchant needs a buff. That extra 20k damage is wasted so it should be a PBAE off the player who is affected by SOD.
Then we'll be in a good spot.
(Iron Lotus)
Dragon Born Rouge GS 17.6k in Profound
Not to be confused with Rogue, I truly am the red makeup women put on their cheeks.
Spouting out nonsense means nothing. TR are extremely OP and need a nerf. It is really not up for debate.
Now you may continue to spout out....
I reread your post and I was wrong. Good pointS.