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northernlights60northernlights60 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
edited May 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
ok it says get 70 power points and be 70 lvl and you open the 4th tier yet I have past that for power points and lvl 70 HR and it wont open. Let me guess it's not working.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Did you "spend" 70 power points? It is not "get" 70 power points.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There is a known bug with spending power points and feat points.

    It seems to hit some people and not others.

    The devs have stated that using the free full respec you were provided with mod 6 will solve it, so I am not sure hey will ever fix it.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There is a known bug with spending power points and feat points.

    It seems to hit some people and not others.

    The devs have stated that using the free full respec you were provided with mod 6 will solve it, so I am not sure hey will ever fix it.

    Based on OP's description, I don't think this bug applies to him. He did not mention he could not spend any points at all (which is the bug). He said he could not get the rank 4 power (as "it won't open"). The bug allows you to apply rank 4 power but you cannot save it.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • arakk00arakk00 Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    You must be level 70 and have spent 70 points. AND. Not OR. Both.
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  • carrytiexcarrytiex Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Wait until you find out that a lot of r4 powers are worse than r3.
  • kurtb88kurtb88 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    TS, do not rank anything to Rank 4. Check the forums, there is a known bug that makes many skills not work if it's ranked to 4. I just learned about this today after I noticed many of my skills no longer function. And i didn't hear about it from Cryptic which is very shaming for them. I had to learn about it on my own and now my character is ruined.
  • araneaxaraneax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    kurtb88 wrote: »
    TS, do not rank anything to Rank 4. Check the forums, there is a known bug that makes many skills not work if it's ranked to 4. I just learned about this today after I noticed many of my skills no longer function. And i didn't hear about it from Cryptic which is very shaming for them. I had to learn about it on my own and now my character is ruined.

    Did you maybe hear anything about Cleric powers?
    I have all of the healing powers on rank 4, + Geas and something felt off but i could not point what it was...
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I only know about GWF's rank 4 Weapon Master will mess it up. I do not know another GWF rank 4 power has issue.
    I also don't know the rank 4 problem of another class.
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  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    its better to assume all rank 4s have issues. cause they prob do.
  • twoedge1twoedge1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    plasticbat wrote: »
    I only know about GWF's rank 4 Weapon Master will mess it up. I do not know another GWF rank 4 power has issue.
    I also don't know the rank 4 problem of another class.

    GWF 'punishing charge' rank 4 does not work. It goes back to rank one.
  • kegliskolbakegliskolba Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    its better to assume all rank 4s have issues. cause they prob do.

    probably this.
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    its better to assume all rank 4s have issues. cause they prob do.

    It's the safe way.

    On a different pitch, extending the topic:


    A lot of the bugged ones have been described in the Bugs and Mod-6-Feedback hierarchy and in the class forums. But in dozens of threads and posts and splattered all over the place. I looked for this some time last week and couldn't seem to find anything like a blacklist of currently known Rank-4-skill-upgrades. And the thread where one should and could expect this, http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?878521-M6-Known-Issues, is plainly defunct.

    So it seems to me that it might be a cool idea to compile a whitelist of powers where the 4th rank is known to work - will probably anyway be a lot shorter than the blacklist approach... :^/
  • rickcase276rickcase276 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,404 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I know for a DC that Daunting Light, Divine Glow, Chains of Blazing Light, Astral Seal and Sacred Flame are ok at rank 4, and I think foresight is okay, but not certain. Prophetic Action seems to be working too. I have not tried any other to know one way or the other.
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  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    They got it backwards - FIRST you have to be level 70, SECOND you have to have spent 70 power points, THIRD once both qualifications are met THEN you can rank your powers up to Rank 4.
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    magenubbie wrote: »
    True, but I want to see that list compiled by the devs. Not by us.

    That apparently could mean we get it for Xmas...

    ...also, if we start that thee's hope it'd become a pile of shame so quickly that they would a) get incentive to really, actually fix stuff, and b) hopefully take over or/and fill in gaps we leave.

    magenubbie wrote: »
    Testing on preview is kinda fun and if it helps Cryptic so much the better. But testing every known power on all my characters sounds like work for which I don't get paid. There are limits to what they can expect from us.

    Besides, we can only test the tooltip against the result. We don't know what's WaI with a bad tooltip and what's broken.

    Well, you can run ACT, and/or look at the combat log on your own. And see - at least for our old and trusted tools - whether the damage or time increases after ticking that fourth box. It's a bit more difficult for the two new tier skills, but even there one can see if the effect increases or doesn't increase.

    The plan would be to make a (separate) thread where we compile positives ("Rank 4 works") and bugged ones ("Rank 4 broken") in a master list which then would allow people to reference before picking.

    Of course this can't be done by any single person, but I'm really missing such a thing, currently. I'd even volunteer to launch the thread and edit together a complete-ish list and maintain that for a while, but neither do I really get to pick that many skill rank 4 picks - as alt-o-holic I'm happily nudging all my chars through SpinRise at a leisurely pace - nor am I really up to all the classes, so this would have to be a community effort.


    They got it backwards - FIRST you have to be level 70, SECOND you have to have spent 70 power points, THIRD once both qualifications are met THEN you can rank your powers up to Rank 4.

    That's the "can't spend more points"-bug - a different, but easy to mix-up bug. There's also the point that some skills do not, as one would expect, get the +5% or +10% more damage or time, but instead they go back to their base configuration, or even all but cease to function. Which is what this thread here is about.
  • icyclassicyclass Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Compiled by some other people, not necessarily exhaustive:
    GWF:
    • Weapon Master not working at 4 points (no stacks)
    • Bravery: seems don't grant speed bonus

    DC:
    • Anointed Army = The daily is borken at rank 4 (no buffs).
    • Foresight = It gives only 3% of deflection bonus at all.

    CW:
    • Icy Terrain cooldown increases at Rank 4. Entangling Force is also broken but I forget how.
    • Abyss of chaos: it is activated by lightning enchantment (not by the lesser enchantment, the bug begins with the normal one)
    • Elemental reinforcement: fire abilities don't apply stacks
    • Disintegrate: it doesn't give AP nor arcane stacks (not sure if it is a bug)
    • Entangling Force: rank IV doesn't reduce cooldown and if slotted on tab it doesn't apply stacks of arcane mastery nor pull mobs together (it should be fixed next week)
    • Icy terrain: rank IV increases the cooldown
    • Spell twisting: it doesn't work with icy rays (tab), shield (tab), avalanche, roe (tab)

    TR:
    • Executioner capstone basically completely broken. No stealth regen speed increase, counter to tooltip it's only proccing on encounters(and doesn't proc properly off Smoke Bomb either) and only on one monster instead of multiples, some have reported the non-interruption of stealth regen part is also not working for them.
    • Also reportedly a Whisperknife thing and a Saboteur feat, but I don't play those so I don't have personal experience. Stealth also had an unannounced duration decrease. (And mod 5's stealth bar loss equating to health bar loss completely screws things over given how much damage mobs do, but that's not a bug so much as poor thinking.)

    Paladin:
    • Justice capstone on protector not working

    Credits: Bolvin Tein, Veldrin, Nymeros, and Michela
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Am confused. From reading this I gather than I should not have been able to get a power to 4th rank before level 70. Only thing, I was able to get SOME powers to the 4th rank before I reached level 70. Namely powers from my paragon path. Am I screwed?
  • bammurbammur Member Posts: 38
    edited May 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    Am confused. From reading this I gather than I should not have been able to get a power to 4th rank before level 70. Only thing, I was able to get SOME powers to the 4th rank before I reached level 70. Namely powers from my paragon path. Am I screwed?

    Yes.

    If you did that (and many, including myself, did) you will be bugged and unable to allocate any further points. They started enforcing the rules but did not take the very basic step of fixing the database first. They still haven't fixed the database an they expect you to use your free respec to fix their error. If you do not have your respec you are stuck.
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bammur wrote: »
    Yes.

    If you did that (and many, including myself, did) you will be bugged and unable to allocate any further points. They started enforcing the rules but did not take the very basic step of fixing the database first. They still haven't fixed the database an they expect you to use your free respec to fix their error. If you do not have your respec you are stuck.
    Thanks for the clarification. Lovely. Guess this means I dare not respec ever again.
  • jiinksjiinks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    Am confused. From reading this I gather than I should not have been able to get a power to 4th rank before level 70. Only thing, I was able to get SOME powers to the 4th rank before I reached level 70. Namely powers from my paragon path. Am I screwed?

    Maybe.

    Some characters un-bug themselves at level 70, and some don't. Until you know whether you're bugged (spend an unspent power point if you have one, spend a newly earned boon point, or spend a newly earned power point from an overflow experience gift), don't respec with AD since it won't reset power points. Using a free re-spec or a re-training or race change token is fine since all of those re-do power points, too.
  • kurtb88kurtb88 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    icyclass wrote: »
    Compiled by some other people, not necessarily exhaustive:



    Credits: Bolvin Tein, Veldrin, Nymeros, and Michela

    Add to TR: The skills that increase run speed stops working completely if you rank it to 4.
    Eg. Rogue Class Feature "Skillful Infiltrator" No longer Works if rank 4; Rogue Class Feature "Sneak Attack" No longer Works if ranked to 4.

    I know those two from personal experience. Don't rank them to 4 unless you like moving at zero run speed bonus stealthed and unstealthed.
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jiinks wrote: »
    Maybe.

    Some characters un-bug themselves at level 70, and some don't. Until you know whether you're bugged (spend an unspent power point if you have one, spend a newly earned boon point, or spend a newly earned power point from an overflow experience gift), don't respec with AD since it won't reset power points. Using a free re-spec or a re-training or race change token is fine since all of those re-do power points, too.
    Edit: Do I get this straight? I've successfully spent a power point to upgrade one of my powers to rank 4. That mean that I'm in the clear?

    I'm reading that if I get a "support ticket" that I can get a free respec for "bugged characters." Kind of sucks for me because I have no idea whether I'm bugged or not. Guess I'll have to break my toon in order to get it fixed.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    Edit: Do I get this straight? I've successfully spent a power point to upgrade one of my powers to rank 4. That mean that I'm in the clear?

    I'm reading that if I get a "support ticket" that I can get a free respec for "bugged characters." Kind of sucks for me because I have no idea whether I'm bugged or not. Guess I'll have to break my toon in order to get it fixed.

    There are at least 2 problems.

    Problem 1: some people cannot put points to feat at all. The "fix" is recommended to do re-spec.
    Problem 2: Rank 4 power can be messed up and that can make it worse than rank 1. This one has no solution yet but they have to fix it.

    These problems started from spending a power point to upgrade power to rank 4. It does not tell if you have or do not have problem.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    Edit: Do I get this straight? I've successfully spent a power point to upgrade one of my powers to rank 4. That mean that I'm in the clear?

    I'm reading that if I get a "support ticket" that I can get a free respec for "bugged characters." Kind of sucks for me because I have no idea whether I'm bugged or not. Guess I'll have to break my toon in order to get it fixed.

    If and when you spend a power point on a fourth pick before you reach Lvl 70, and before you've spent 70 power points, your character might bug. This bug leads to you being unable to spend further power points or feat points on this char. From what I hear, if this happens to you (unable to spend PP or FP) a (free) respec fixes that and can be obtained, free of charge but with a long-ish wait (days not hours), via the cusstomer support pipeline.


    There are other, skill specific bugs where that fourth pick breaks the skill's effectivity, but not the character's general functionality. Those latter ones can often go unnoticed, as this often means that the damage bonus for picks 2&3 (and the promised one for #4) disappear, or certain side functions don't work, or, in extreme cases, buffs studdenly buf the monsters, and not the player, or debuffs affect both, or...

    ...in those cases support will probably go all "thank you for contacting customer support. Please stand by while dev team will fix the game." - though I'd be pleasantly surprised to hear differently.

    And IMHO a list of all those skills where this is known to happen - and/or one of skills where everything's WAI - is something I'd been looking for, but didn't yet find.
  • jiinksjiinks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    Edit: Do I get this straight? I've successfully spent a power point to upgrade one of my powers to rank 4. That mean that I'm in the clear?

    I'm reading that if I get a "support ticket" that I can get a free respec for "bugged characters." Kind of sucks for me because I have no idea whether I'm bugged or not. Guess I'll have to break my toon in order to get it fixed.


    If you successfully spent a power point after the April 23 patch, then your character is not bugged.

    As others have noted, there are some bugged rank 4 powers, but that isn't what this thread was about back when it started, and in those cases, it is the same for everybody playing.
  • evrtreaevrtrea Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was able to put 4th rank in 5 powers before 70,but I also got 86 power points thanks to overflow exp before the update
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I am a GF and have" ranked 4" two powers "Lunge strike" and "Flurry" and they seem work ok
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    evrtrea wrote: »
    I was able to put 4th rank in 5 powers before 70,but I also got 86 power points thanks to overflow exp before the update
    Same with me. I had all my powers filled before Mod 6. As for the powers that I ranked up to 4 prior to reaching level 70. Pathfinders Action suddenly seems to be working for me now. A few days ago I got the heck surprised out of me by a boost in run speed. Thanks to all for taking the time to reply. This was a great help.
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