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What do you think about Great weapon Fighter?
thecameljokey
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I've been level 60 now for a few days... I enjoy playing GWF a lot 
What do you guys/girls think about the class?
What do you guys/girls think about the class?
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I am starting to collect gear for different situations from the end game dungeons and the wealth of options is nice, I am at the point where I can tank most of the trash up to the first,second and third bosses in the t2 content effectively when the tank drops or is unavailable and that right there is a HUGE advantage. I really like the class and I definitely think that is has its place in the endgame content so far.
In PvE we're burst tanking off-tanks, and with a few good control moves, we can do a great job keeping our healers and wizards free of threats so that they can do their job better. Single targets or small groups are our forte, and while outright damage isn't our stongest point, in-your-face damage and a burst tank give us something the wizards just can't have. Sustainability.
I've even subbed for a CW a time or two with come and get it, hahahaha ...
In PvP we're hated. Many cannot play PvP as a GWF well, and think we are broken. Until your a CW, TR or SW and we roll in with a knockdown and our CC immune unstoppable rage. Then all of a sudden the common consensus of those who are NOT us is that we are OP and should be nerfed. GWF excels at speed, maneuverability, and being a part of every situation. We're the helping hand of mobile CC. Our struggle is geting to our targets, so pick your fights and don't be afraid to back off if they are kiting you. But once your on an opponent, wreck havoc and watch your assists go up.
Never forget that this is a team-oriented game. There are better tanks, and damage dealers. There are more mobile characters. But none that are as fast, strong or tough as a GWF. You're ability to seamlessly take up for other, weaker members of your team in all but healing/group buffs will be your value. Tank goes down, you step up. Boss primary goes down, you step up. And in the meantime, you run amongst your allies taking care of the right threats like a linebacker.
I do love GWFs, hahahah ....
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
Damage is definitely lower than many. I've been outmatched by SW's, DPS clerics, and many a CW. We CAN kill the Epic Spellplague boss ourselves, it just takes a lot longer and our AOE mob killing is minimal.
Mobility, on the other hand, is our best strength. Nobody is faster than us, and that includes hunters and TR's.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
What would you say is a good PVE spec then?
I personally will probably go back full sentinel Iron Vanguard. It doesn't deal the most damage, but It's tanky as hell and has some good synergies I've always liked.
That was the last build I'd maxed on PC, and it had a lot of CC for PvP. A full Destroyer Swordmaster build was also good, but while the damage wasn't as noticably improved, the tanking was noticeably lower. The tradeoff in my playthroughs wasn't worth it, I felt.
Again, it's been a year. There have been other additions to our class, and when I 60 this GWF I'll start an Instigator (or Paladin, if we have on by then) to give him a run through and see how he synergizes.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
They are. Even in Pv3, many GWF players are happy with their char... until they create an alt of any other class and figure out that everything goes easier and faster.
Thx in advance.
- Guardian Fighter: Not based on shield block chance, which I found a bit annoying. The click/click mechanic to block an attack just felt clunky. That and I was struggling to kill things quickly during solo play, which made leveling slow. Got to Level 10, DELETED.
- Great Weapons Fighter: Loved them from the start. Their Encounters really gave me that Berserker feel that I loved and missed from my Arms Warrior in WoW. Got to Level 34, however. I rushed through the character creation process and didn't like the way I looked and the race didn't fit the class. DELETED.
- Trickster Rogue: Love them. A lot of fun, however. They made everything way too easy. They were everything I remember my Rogue from WoW being. Keyboard Facerolling (or, in the Xbox One case, Control Facerolling). Got to Level 60. Now he's my alt.
- Hunter Ranger: Fun, but, I feel like they're more of a utility class than a DPS class. Got to Level 19 and will probably be the next character I max out. SIDELINED.
- Control Wizard: Felt like they weren't going to start getting good until Level 20. I had the CC, which was great, but playing solo seemed a bit. DELETED.
- Devoted Cleric: I loved healing as a Holy Paladin in WoW and I loved doing it as a Devoted Cleric, however. Leveling was slow and my friends don't have available character slots to level along side me. SIDELINED.
- Scourge Warlock: Felt like a mix of Destruction and Affliction Warlocks from WoW. LOVE THEM! But I'm not a fan of Glass Cannon classes. I also didn't want to get used to a range class in PVP (being able to kite every thing was my only saving grace in NW PVP, which I felt was more of a crutch than strategy). Got to Level 34. SIDELINED.
- Great Weapons Fighter (v2.0): Spent more time researching the class, powers, feats and races, by this point. Spent a lot of time on the way he looks. Went Human and named him Varian Wrynn (for the Alliance). Got him to Level 20. Enter Double XP Weekend. He's now Level 60 with a few pieces of Epic gear and I'm so happy with, not just my selection, but the class itself. Berserker type abilities, good survivability (still trying to figure out the CW, SW and TR dominated PVP battles. PVP at Level 30 was much more entertaining than at Level 60. Not really sure how to come out on top outside of premade groups). Ran a couple epics yesterday and was surprised at how well the class can Off-tank when needed.
http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/x/gwf?b=2ky7:wf67tq:9dn8:3wz,12iku3c:1u0u00:1uu551:100000&h=0&p=smr
If your getting beat that easily in pvp ur doin something wrong hands down LOL 2 shotting kids with a GWF is to fun in pvp
Try instigator, im re-specing to it soon, saw a vid and legit u have basically 100% crit and hughe dmg increases. Most people seem tohave gone destroyer
It's completely the other way around. One of the harder classes to play, requires constant attention to be top DPS.
Ive gotten almost all classes and one thing is for sure, GWF at this moment is still broken. Any descend TR can out dps with much lower GS, hope we get some love soon. (like mod 6 supposedly did on the PC).
i completely agree, the gwf needs numerous buffs to make it a good class, as it stands unless you know the perfect way to spec it you will always be on the bottom of the leader boards, and even with perfect specs and the best gear itll still take everything you have to stand up to the dps of trs and hunters, and youll never pull as much threat as a gf.
DENIAL
source: (this is PC mod 6, my hopes is the xbox will get to this point since I'm playing towards this endgame content/build)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRa8yK5HrQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_hxKS3b4Y&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy1EcGIeFV8&feature=youtu.be
I argue that the GWF is not obsolete at end game, I don't think any class is. I won't argue however that the perception exists that they are (I used to think so myself). I hold my own (now) just fine as crit based DPS with the ability to tank in spells. TBH I find I tank better than a lot of GF's out there, simply due to the threat I gain off damage plus the damage resistance I can maintain with Unstoppable. I don't think that should be "how it's done", but it's working for me in PUGs and Guild play alike so I'll roll with it. I'm also not sure if that is some kind of indictment of GF's or simply how the majority of them may be speccing right now. I'll never argue that a properly specced GF tank will pull, maintain, and deal with aggro much better than my class could. But at the same time I'm holding my own numbers wise with the other DPS classes (if not better) while absorbing the most punishment due to face-up tanking elites and bosses.
Note - this has very little, I'd imagine, to do with my personal skill (although my ego would like to disagree lol) and more to do with the fantastic build I found. And there are several very good builds out there for Mod 5 GWFs.
I will admit that even as little as a few weeks ago I could understand why we GWF's were looked down upon, as it seemed like the numbers just weren't adding up for myself and were often worse if other GWF's were in the PUG. But lately I've been seeing us as a whole really holding our own, and even exceeding the other classes is usefulness. Perhaps it's a gear thing, the better gear we get the more are class finally comes into its own.
Definitely a gear thing. I'm now sitting at 13.7k (nearly 13.8k) and I'm running, on average, 10mil on Paingiver, while my friend who plays a GWF is sitting at 16.2k and averaging 15mil on Paingiver.
I know my role with my healer and hr in pvp, where I excel. With the GWF iron sentinel, I can't kill anything, and I can't take any damage. I can maybe hit some enemies with FLS, and tag them with marks, but that's about it. In need of way above 15K GS to compete I think.
What's your build?
What I mean by this is what gear are you running and what enchants?
I'm the same, can't burst anyone down. Even when I live a long time I can't kill anyone, lol. But I'm only at 8,700 GS.
-ASYLUM-
It's weird because I swear I read some builds saying Sentinel was beast in PVP for Mod 5 but I found mine wasn't great either before I changed to Destroyer. I could troll flag points, but not as good as I saw TR's and GF's doing it so really it was a support class that gave the party Mark buffs. Meh, I found it often didn't make a difference because of how fast encounters happen.
Since I changed to Destroyer I'm noticing quite an uptick in my play. Doesn't make much sense, because in theory my defense and deflect are waaaaaay lower, and my HP's a bit too. Yet it doesn't feel like I'm any squishier. BUT, I do a lot more damage - if I can catch a TR, SW, or CW I can two shot them with FS then IBS if I crit with either or if I have the target marked (still took that Sentinel feat).
Has to be. Since I got above 13000 GS I usually am top 1 or 2 on Paingiver (with my normal running mates, my role there is off tank and main DPS on elite/boss, I'm not trying to brag). Sometimes lower depending on party composition and what role I take on with PUGs(ie tank if we don't have one, which involves a lot of running for my life lol). I've seen as high as 30 million I believe it was on eDV, been doing eSPC and getting around 15 to 20 million. I also am understanding my rotations and stacks a lot better now, so that is definitely helping.
Find a good build and stick with it, that's the advice I'd give (and received) to anyone in the frustrating spot I was in a few weeks ago.
Yeah, i was originally a destroyer all the way up to 60, and decided to respec because I read that IV sent was the way to go. Debating going back. I'd honestly rather have some kills than last for 3 seconds longer, call me selfish but it is what it is lol. Destroyer does dish out the damage.
Edit: One thing I think we both forgot to take into consideration is that on PC mod 5, they had loads of boons and other items at their disposal.
True about the loads of extras on PC Mod 5.
And I honestly don't know what it is, but I didn't notice a bit of difference in how fast I went down. I sure did in PVE but I think in PVP we're just taking about so much damage anyway it can be a moot point. And all the aggro feats really do nothing for you in PVP. Whereas popping off and two shot killing a squishy class in PVP saves you a lot of HP lol. My favorite is keeping rogues from stealth if you can land crits on them with that bleed dot. If I recall, it is a lot harder for them to gen stealth bar if taking damage.
I'm actually curious to see just how good the class can be once I actually have some T3 PVP gear. And if we'll ever get a auto-gap range closer. IV might have one of those, never tried it. SM sure doesn't.
-ASYLUM-
It's a combination of a lot a things, not just a power or two. It's about building weapon master and destroyer stacks, then timing your powers after a weapon master strike while unstoppable - i hit them with Flourish then IBS. If one or the other crits under the right circumstances it can be quite deadly.
Just as so we're clear, this isn't an all the time occurance. Building stacks in PVP can be very difficult especially as there is so much 1 v 1 or split off fights even in 5 v 5. I like when 3 or so enemies are grouped around 2 because then I can build my stacks in a hurry, and then its just timing. Honestly though, I took the build for PVE not PVP. The builder of said build specifically mentions that it "won't" be good in PVP but so far I'm not doing bad. No 25-0 matches, but breaking even as GWF with 25+ assists is a great match for me.
Check out the build here:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?816831-Lia-Knowles-s-GWF-Destroyer-DPS-for-PVE-build-Mod-5
rinat114 was the builds creater, borrowing from lazalia's high crit build but with some tweaks. Either build is very viable.