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d34dbodyman
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First let me say I gave $50 to the game to get some keys and run my luck, I feel robbed. RNG with real money is unacceptable. I cant see sinking hundreds of dollars into this game on a RNG cash grab. Ill gladly go back to Wow knowing after i give them a year subscription I can accomplish anything in game without others or myself buying their way to the top.
The only reason i pvp is for AD's and i have to waste my time in part of the game i have 0 interest in just so i can get currency i need for PVE. on top of that you can buy your gear and enchants making the game unbalanced and no fun what so ever.
1 Rogue, 1 single rogue was camping my spawn point and 1 shoting everyone before they hit the ground. forcing every player to get kicked out for afk since they could not attack even though they were moving and playing.
So for me to even care and be competitive i have to spend hundreds of dollars of real money to realistically make a full set of lvl 20 enchants to keep up with everyone eases credit card toon.
now lets talk about PVE. you want the cool spider mount $200, you want the best pets lvled to 30-40 $200. you want lvl 20 enchants in every slot. probably much more then $200 unless you want to wast years, in a single game. YEARS
Dungeons lol you die sorry cant res more then once unless you give them $5... are you serious!
If this company wasnt so greedy and made everything achievable in less than 5 years time and did charge so much for zen that you get so little with i wouldnt mind giving them my money. but Unless you sink hundred of $ into this game you get nothing but getting ripped off. $37 for a 110% mount $10 for a 24 slot bag. for F***K sake
I spent about $900 in world of warcraft for 6 years of game time and had a blast and accomplished a lot with my guild. But is seems like a soon as you make a character this company want that $900 on log in and factors in 6 years of game play in 1 month time.
Once my achievements are complete ill move to the next game and gladly pay my $60 over this cash grab of a joke.
The only reason i pvp is for AD's and i have to waste my time in part of the game i have 0 interest in just so i can get currency i need for PVE. on top of that you can buy your gear and enchants making the game unbalanced and no fun what so ever.
1 Rogue, 1 single rogue was camping my spawn point and 1 shoting everyone before they hit the ground. forcing every player to get kicked out for afk since they could not attack even though they were moving and playing.
So for me to even care and be competitive i have to spend hundreds of dollars of real money to realistically make a full set of lvl 20 enchants to keep up with everyone eases credit card toon.
now lets talk about PVE. you want the cool spider mount $200, you want the best pets lvled to 30-40 $200. you want lvl 20 enchants in every slot. probably much more then $200 unless you want to wast years, in a single game. YEARS
Dungeons lol you die sorry cant res more then once unless you give them $5... are you serious!
If this company wasnt so greedy and made everything achievable in less than 5 years time and did charge so much for zen that you get so little with i wouldnt mind giving them my money. but Unless you sink hundred of $ into this game you get nothing but getting ripped off. $37 for a 110% mount $10 for a 24 slot bag. for F***K sake
I spent about $900 in world of warcraft for 6 years of game time and had a blast and accomplished a lot with my guild. But is seems like a soon as you make a character this company want that $900 on log in and factors in 6 years of game play in 1 month time.
Once my achievements are complete ill move to the next game and gladly pay my $60 over this cash grab of a joke.
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I'm sure this thread will be locked, but before it is, I want to correct a few blazing untruths you've made:
* The Spider mount is $65, not $200 (this is the Xbox forum). It comes with heaps of other stuff too, including:
* The Spider comes with a pet panther that can hit max level, you don't need another $200. And other purple pets aren't that hard to earn
* The lock boxes are a lottery. That is made clear, and you can preview the box to see what can drop (note most of it is NOT the top prize)
* You get free bags doing the campaign, you don't need to buy them.
* There is nothing in the Zen store you need. Lots of stuff that's nice, but nothing you need.
* You have to grind for stuff from the real money store. So? That's what you do in MMOs. Grind. If you don't like it, why play?
* At level 60, diamonds will be coming in faster than you can refine - so it's not like it's to hard to grind Zen anyhow.
Thanks for sharing though.
Heirloom pack is great. It'll get you to level 60, and once you're there you can salvage epic gear for easy diamonds. Combine that with the leadership skill and you'll hit the 24k daily cap easy.
If you can hit 60 with two or three toons (the heirloom pack is given to every character you make, plus it gave you a 3rd character slot), you'll earn zen reall fast (particularly because on xbox zen is selling so cheap).
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Firstly to the OP, if you paid $50 of your own cash on keys, you're a mug. Sorry to be brutal about it, but them's the facts. There are far, FAR better things that you can spend your cash on that will generate enough AD to turn into Zen for you to buy keys from now until the end of time (such as character slots in order to start a Professions production line, and an Heirloom pack to give all those toons a little advantage to start with).
Don't believe me? For the same amount of cash you can get up to 10 character slots, an Heirloom pack and still have some Zen lying around to either hoard, or buy some AD if you fancy trading in the Auction House. I did the same, and I've already made enough AD back through Leadership, Invocation, Dailies and trading on AH to cover half of my original outlay. Within a week or so I'll have enough for a Hero of the North pack, and then maybe Dragonborn and some keys next month.
And I've not got a single character past 38 yet, and my Leadership isn't even 13 on any of the toons either. By the time I get 5 of them maxed on both counts (probably about another month) I should be pulling in around 13-15k AD per toon just from Leadership, which is over 500 total Zen at current trading price -that's a Scourge Warlock/Hunter Ranger booster pack in under a week.
Easily achievable and without spending another red cent of my own cash (although I still feel good in supporting the devs with my original purchase).
It's not a cash grab if you just throw your money away without thinking about what your doing.
its a FTP from perfect world, they have a bad reputation for their cash shops so i was prepared.
i have pretty many of the things i wanted to have and i spent relatively a low amount of money in 2 years of gaming here
Cash Grab? No
Business Model designed to make the Dev some money to support further development of the product? Sounds about right.
A Cash Grab would mean you are "forced" to spend money on this product which we all know you are not. If YOU are a compulsive person that cant control yourself and feel like you have to as someone stated above, then that's an issue with YOU and I would seek counseling. This is a business model nothing more nothing less. If I do not particularly like a product or service in life, I don't use it. Its that simple. My time is much more valuable than to go to a forum and waste my time complaining about wasting my money. And I sure as heck wouldn't keep playing a game if I felt as passionate about it as the OP does.
I dont usually take this tone in a forum but this is just silly. But that is just my thoughts. Go ahead and flame on LOL I am a grown man and it really doesn't bother me what others think about me.
Having spent years playing MMOs where the farming gets down right boring (Lineage II for example), Neverwinter excels at being fun while farming. All of this said, if it wasn't on the Xbox One I wouldn't be playing it.
Developing what? more broken code, there's always one. Trying to reinvent the wheel, it was always going to end in tears. QQ
I agree with the urging part. The spam of opening chests for example. I understand why they do it from a business sense, its just more of an annoyance to me but to be honest I have gotten so used to it that I tune it out mostly and barely notice it much anymore.
I also am used to paying monthly fees and as such have taken the approach that I will treat it as a monthly subscription and give myself $20 a month to play around with. Supporting the Devs and granting myself a few novelties to toy with. But like many have said that is a personal preference and wouldn't expect that to work for everyone.
And I too have fun farming in this game. I have been doing the dailies for the campaign for a little over a week and actually enjoy it. Partly because not everyday has the exact same dailies in some instances but also that they are relatively quick to do and you don't need a partner or team aside from the dragon killing.
Out in out this game is fun and the monetary aspect really is more of a convenience than a necessity.
From OP:
"If this company wasnt so greedy and made everything achievable in less than 5 years time and did charge so much for zen that you get so little with i wouldnt mind giving them my money. but Unless you sink hundred of $ into this game you get nothing but getting ripped off. $37 for a 110% mount $10 for a 24 slot bag. for F***K sake"
24,000 astral diamonds a day just from refining rough ones. Say you got around 6-8,000 just from a campfire, another 10-15k from running a couple of dungeons (recycling and drops) you have hit your limit. Say you play the game every other day for three hours a day to hit your refinement, here is your math:
182 (days) x 5 (years) x 24,000 AD (per day, minimal effort) = 21,840,000 Astral Diamonds earned on a single character, no professions, no real effort. Now lets say the trade in on that is 500 AD for a single Zen:
21,840,000 / 500 = 43,680 Zen at trade in values that are maxed.
43,680 (Zen) / 5 (years) = 8,736 (Zen per year just handed to you at max trade cap)
They give you anything you want from that store for free.
Oh, and by the way, trade in values right now are at like 120-140 AD per Zen, not 500.
500 (capped ad/zen conversion) / 130 (current ad/zen conversion) = 3.846 (multiplication factor you can use to blow these numbers up)
8,736 (Zen handed to you per year at cap) x 3.846 (current pricing) = 33,598 Zen.
33,500 Zen, anything from the store, for free.
33,500 Zen....for a couple of hours, every other day, playing a halfway decent and enjoyable game.
They give you every mount from the shop, all the bank and inventory space you need plus some extra goodies.
Cash grab?
When they change Rage Mounts to something else, the first few will be sold for a lot. As supply goes up, less people will spend the money to buy rare items. It's basically just economics.
Small investment to get such a huge advantage. It's definately worth the money.
"I see this guy driving a brand new car around, no fair! I want one too! This is garbage, they need to lower prices on everything just so I can afford it, right now! I am not capable of meeting these demands! The car company gives me guaranteed access to a portion of this EXTREME pricetag every day, for free, but no...I want this now and it is not enough!"
24,000 (AD per day) / 150 (AD/zen conversion ratio) = 160 Zen per day handed to you
16 bank slots = 800 zen (can't remember actual price)
Greater bag of holding, 24 slots = 1,000 zen
5 bags total = 5,000 zen
48-64 bank slots = 2,400 - 3,200 Zen
8,200 Zen for more space than you need and they just give it to you in 3 months time playing a couple of hours a day, 6 months time every other day. The option is there for people who want it now or like the game but can't afford the time sink due to family/job constraints.
Shame on you.
First let me say I gave $50 to the game to get some keys and run my luck, I feel robbed.
Great way to start a rant about jacked up prices, complain about getting ripped off by lottery tickets.
It's required. You're annoyed that you can't grind unlimited diamonds every day, but if we could refine unlimited amounts, those with Level 60 characters could soon have millions of diamonds in no time at all. If we had a glut of diamonds, the price of Zen in the exchange would skyrocket - since it's not just a set trade function - it's a real exchange, dealing with real people and responding to real market forces. You'd be at 500ad for 1z faster than you could blink, there'd be backlogs of people trying to buy Zen and you'd find it hard to get any Zen at all.
Controlling the speed of diamonds coming into the economy is keeping the Zen price down for everyone.
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