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ionvnegativo
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so...what is the difference within the Regen Sentinel GWF from mod2 and the immortal 100k HP, shield tabbed, bloodthef/negation CW using Chaotic growth...???
....is at least that renegade final feat affected by healing depresion????...
is not the same situation when GWFs used to get their HP almost refilled every time they became bigger and red...???
also Flat stats:
Chaotic Fury - You gain 30% additional Damage and 10% additional Life Steal for 10 seconds...
Chaotic Nexus - You gain 30% additional Armor Penetration and Critical Chance for 10 seconds.
so 10%LS???? thats like 4000 FREE lifesteal.
30%ArmP...................12000 FREE ArmP....???
....is at least that renegade final feat affected by healing depresion????...
is not the same situation when GWFs used to get their HP almost refilled every time they became bigger and red...???
also Flat stats:
Chaotic Fury - You gain 30% additional Damage and 10% additional Life Steal for 10 seconds...
Chaotic Nexus - You gain 30% additional Armor Penetration and Critical Chance for 10 seconds.
so 10%LS???? thats like 4000 FREE lifesteal.
30%ArmP...................12000 FREE ArmP....???
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Life steal is 10% of your current lifesteal. So if you have 10% lifesteal it's = 10*0.1 = 11% lifesteal when chaotic fury kicks in.
and sorry for the bad information if that stats are not aditive but multiplicative...
but again.....what is the difference within the Regen Sentinel GWF from mod2 and the immortal 100k HP, shield tabbed, bloodthef/negation CW using Chaotic growth...???
people are waking up.. finally
free damage from stormspell and other class features like chilling presence
unstoppable recovery from GWFs and the HRs wild medicine are affected by healing depression??? i cant remember the patchs...it became worthless to spend points in those feats...
Just focus and CC the dam CW and he dies, it's that simple. If you let him burst you down without pressuing him of course he's gonna destroy you.
Learn to play.
Edit: If you want to nerf shield and storm spell then sure, give us our actual Control back (The same one from module 4), would you clueless people like that? probably not. Because our "Control" right now isn't control at all, it's a little tickle.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
is not the same the chaotic growth CW(not fixed) and the regen sentinel mod2(nerfed) or the wild medicine legolas HR mod3(nerfed) ????
healing depression????
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Curious what your main is.
Remember: This class ignores 66% of your control resist from tenacity.
Nope. There is plain +10% Lifesteal Chance. If you have 10%, you will have 20%.
And there is a +30% Critical Chance, not +10%.
Knew some **** would cherry pick.
Here, let me point it out for you
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Clear enough for you? I had that 17-0 experience because:
1) They didn't focus nor CC me to death
2) I'm above average in skill-level.
Lower skilled/more average CW's die almost as much as SW, but less.
I'm not disagreeting that CW needs a little rework, but you people are literally exaggerating and using so much hyperbole you're losing credibility. Comparing the CW to the module 2 GWF that still traumatizes people to this day... you people can't be serious.
Basically:
A good CW (Very few of them.. maybe 10-15) = Arguably the best class in PVP right now. but NOT "immortal". CC him and he dies, unlike the module 2 GWF that could break free from it every time
Bad/Normal/meh geared CW = Barely even threatening and gets beaten up quite easily even if he tabs shield.
This is where I'm getting at, it depends on the skill-level/gear of the CW.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
I did, numerous times. I've died twice (Guess how? That's right, I was focused and pinned then bursted down) but was revived in time by team mates.
See edit
Basically:
A good CW (Very few of them.. maybe 10-15) = Arguably the best class in PVP right now. but NOT "immortal". CC him and he dies, unlike the module 2 GWF that could break free from it every time
Bad/Normal/meh geared CW = Barely even threatening and gets beaten up quite easily even if he tabs shield.
This is where I'm getting at, it depends on the skill-level/gear of the CW.
You main a GWF, I'm really not sure why you're moaning about CW's. The person that annoyed me the most in that match was the GWF, and this is before the unstoppable re-work that's coming in the 23th.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
Next time you should read more carefully. I've been defending GWF/GF since they took a HAMSTER on you Fighters. A good geared CW right now is more tanky than a "Fighter". but a lesser geared one is NOT. But most people in here put the CW as a whole in the "tanky" category.
I'm all for the gameplay from back then when I had to teleport around skillfully instead of just laughing at my opponent while casting Ray of Frost.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
I would disagree about the geared CW being tankier than a geared GF. There is just too much pure damage resistance and total cc immunity going on there for GF's. Doesn't mean GF is better than CW. To me it means the CW is much better at range and the GF is better close in. The CW can survive for a bit close in and GF can gap close well. Things balance out. Right now, even a well geared CW can fall to a lesser geared GF if he is taken even a little off guard. It becomes a game of "If you do not kill me before I get to you, I will destroy you".
I do think GWF is left out in the cold. So to me the whole balance thing is about bringing GWF and even SW up to snuff. My humble opinion.
Between the two, the HR is way more OP. At least on the CW people fight back. On the HR every duel is auto win.
Problem is without storm spells damage, the CW cant do damage and without the cheese root/daze HAMSTER the HR would get face rolled. Both classes are OP because of poor design and if you fix that, both classes will be worthless. Do you trust the devs to get a correct balance? 6 mods in and everything just gets worse in that department.
What I have most problem with is storm spell, the dmg for a passive is just outrageous to say the least.
I think the rene capstone is fine IF it wasn't a group buff, other 2 capstone feats look pathetically weak in comparison.
Anyway, PvP in this game is a total joke now with bug exploiters, worst of all, devs in this game don't care about fixing bugs (unless it's a bug that concerns their profit ofc).
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This is only if Crptic first fixes up the issue with DC's infinite AP gain and Trans Bloodthelf's crazy proc rate. Yes geared GWF with bugged Bloodthelf is almost immortal, you will have trouble taking one down even with 3-4 ppl focused firing him...
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Indeed. this is why a majority of us have stopped PvPing...
But you used to run with these same exploiters Vira, so w/e
At least you can see now how the normal players who play legit, felt when going against you and your former buddies.
I no form or shape does CW have the best cc in the game currently, TR's, HR's and GWF's have wayyyy longer CC spell than the cw...
Quite a natural result, since in no form or shape do CW players ever build for CC in the first place.
■ Do they go Oppressor? --- Nope.
■ Do they stack specs that increase ctrl bonuses? --- Nope.
■ Do they use class features that increase ctrl bonuses? --- Nope.
■ Do they use power choices with chain-CC in mind? --- Nope.
Granted, there are few FUps from the devs - bad choices which needlessly increased control ability of classes, a prime example being TR ShadowStrike daze duration being increased to 4 seconds. Another problem is that Sabo TRs are free to use this power as a daze whenever they want in that it doesn't trigger the capstone... not many TRs, nor even the TR bashers realize this, but the decision to remove SS from triggering the Sabo capstone is one of the main reasons why it became so hilariously easy to manage permastealth with it. Before that change, there was actually a bit of strategical thinking in the order you had to use your power to not waste your potential... but this is for another discussion, and I digress.
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The point being, every CW player builds for mega-burst and DPS without even a single category of their class invested into control. The long periods of control the TRs used to be able to pull off in mod5 was a result of 2~3 control encounters used in tactical succession, plus a sacrifice made with the paragon choice itself to use the one that doesn't have ITC. Us scoundrel TRs specifically built for such purpose, using all three encounters that had control elements in a sequence, and at the price of much lower damage potential than compared to other two build paths.
How many consecutive controls do you CWs attempt? A lazy-HAMSTER EF-RoF is at most?
You honestly dont think that these builds have been tested and tried countless times in pvp already, and every one of them have suuuuucked balls... I dont know if you remember the launch of mod 4, where cw's actually were able to control players? The outcries from the players were massive, and quickly made the devs nerf all of our controll powers to the point where it just doesnt make any sense for any cw to spec for control...
The only thing we are currently good at controlling is trash mobs(havent started the "new" dungeons yet, so there might be some merit for controlling trash mobs in them) in dungeons, and of course we will then be worthless against every elite and boss mobs in those dungeons, since they are ALL full immune to any form of control powers.