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polymeme
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Shouldn't we be getting more injury kits as we adventure?
I opened my adventurer's reward box and got 5 kits. That was fine in mod 5, but now when any trap can halve my move speed, I need more. I don't buy any pots or kits, and I've got TONS of pots on me, but right now my paladin is in a barrow in ebon downs with no kits and hurt legs.
Not getting enough kits is fine for somebody who plays a lot and knows better. I buy stacks of pots and kits off the AH for my toons. This toon tho, I haven't done that because the kind of kit and pot I need keeps changing.
This is NOT casual-friendly, and it's not newbie friendly. A new player starts playing, steps on traps a lot, runs out of kits, spends all their gold on kits, never has that magical 5 gold to buy a horse and ends up quitting in frustration. I know the devs don't want this, and I don't want this. I like this game, and I don't want to see players running away.
I opened my adventurer's reward box and got 5 kits. That was fine in mod 5, but now when any trap can halve my move speed, I need more. I don't buy any pots or kits, and I've got TONS of pots on me, but right now my paladin is in a barrow in ebon downs with no kits and hurt legs.
Not getting enough kits is fine for somebody who plays a lot and knows better. I buy stacks of pots and kits off the AH for my toons. This toon tho, I haven't done that because the kind of kit and pot I need keeps changing.
This is NOT casual-friendly, and it's not newbie friendly. A new player starts playing, steps on traps a lot, runs out of kits, spends all their gold on kits, never has that magical 5 gold to buy a horse and ends up quitting in frustration. I know the devs don't want this, and I don't want this. I like this game, and I don't want to see players running away.
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Seriously, learn the tell-tale signs for traps and avoid them.
The only place this will really be a problem is one of the lairs in Icespire where there's traps all over the floor, and you have to run around to avoid red circles from the boss.
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Just as others pointed out, older players know what to look for, already know where the traps are, have more than enough gold and foresight to stock up on injury kits. New players just get boned.
And as far as the "bring a rogue" argument goes...yeah...good one. Because everyone knows there's at least 1 rogue character for EVERY OTHER CHARACTER...And that's ignoring the fact that solo content should be easily soloable for EVERY class.
Should traps have teeth? Of course, and at very low level, they actually already did. The problem was they didn't scale, in the case of foundry they didn't scale at all, and in most Cryptic made instances they scaled poorly and didn't factor in gear at all. So the result was that a new level 7 character hitting a spike trap while in combat could spell certain death, while a level 60 running an EPIC dungeon would hop and skip their way through a full set of poison dart traps while kiting mobs, just for fun. That should have been fixed FIRST, as well as other problems, then they could try adding new mechanics.
Preferably mechanics that add to the game rather than turning it into a clickfest, either clicking injury kits or sitting there waiting for a rogue to click the trap.
Okay, Panic.
It is a chance! It is with me. I get injured roughly every third trap. I'm sure I don't get injured with every one.
See what you've done now. I'm gonna have to deliberately step on traps just to make sure.
In particular, "The Dead Rats", "Nest Egg" and the sewer part of "Spellburst" have many varied traps.
0%-25% heals naturally even while walking
26%-50% heals naturally at camp with 0.5%/sec on all zones.
51%-80% heals naturally at camp with 0.1%/sec on all zones.
81%-99% Needs injury kit. Increases(!) by 0.1%/sec on all zones while not camping.
100% Needs special Healer in PE or some other main area.
Adjust malus on characters values appropiate for percentage value. Allow potions that reduce timings, potions that stop further degeneration and potions that heal everything under 50%.
Buy a truckload of injury kits the next time you're at *ANY* vendor that sells pots.
Then put pots in first belt slot (4 key) and kits into second slot (5 key). Just food for thought.
People keep complaining that "gold is worthless; nothing to buy with it". Well, now there's something to buy with it (and why on earth would to buy injury kits off the AH, other than you have zero gold?)
^^ Exactly this.
We know what to look for because we played and learned that for ourselves. The same can be said about everything else in the game...we know/have it because we have played the game.
Take a deep breath, look, and learn.
I like the increased threat caused by traps, they encourage new players to actually take their time in dungeons keeping an eye out for traps (like you would in real DnD). In fact, right now I'd say they are hurting players who have been around for a lot longer, because we have to break the habit of just running through everything like they don't matter. I've stepped on so many since the change that I even knew about, just because it was habit to not really care about them.
That being said, I think it would be nice to be able to make them from the alchemy profession, since you can make pretty much anything else. Maybe including one that protects you from injury for X amount of time.
I'm pretty sure the first one you pass, in the rat sewers, is pointed out to you even if you don't step on it. I can't remember what it actually says though.
As a beginner, you learn and find a way to deal with an issue. They do not know trap did not give body injury before in the game or if they care what it was in the past. They consider it is part of the game and will find a way to deal with it.
There's something wrong with many of you!
Everyone can see the trap,
Some yell, "Trap",
Yet, some of you can't resist the trap!!!
The same with Mimics!!! :eek:
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Plenty of us have started new paladins and didnt run into any trouble from traps. at 70 you get so much gold drop now Injury kits are a worry of the past.
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I just feel like the 'traps cause injury' mechanic needs work. More ways to protect from injury, shorter heal times, more kits - Some way to make it suck less.
And for the record, I walk right past traps all the time and don't see them until I trigger them or am past them. Saw one yesterday, a spike trap, underwater. Didn't see it the first time and got lucky and walked around it.
And I did some testing with my pally. Stepped on an arrow trap, then back over it multiple times. Nearly killed myself, and I only ever got the one minor injury. So that's good.
This is not correct.
Alchemy no.
However does all sense clerics managed "make kits" like a "special skill" (rogues "detect traps" and clerics "make kits").
But, Alchemy could make a pot "X minutes prevent injuries".
As much as I hated the instant death traps which made dungeons without a rogue impossible in DDO we have really wanted and needed traps to have significance. I don't think this quite does it but at least we have a reason to actively avoid them now instead of having the worst aspect of traps be a couple seconds root.
Err, this would be a very bad reason for making traps more powerful.
As most non-1% groups would preferably want a GF/OP and a DC in a group already, having to have a TR as well would leave 2 slots for all the other classes. Great for TRs of course, but an awful situation for the remaining non-CW classes......