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crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
edited April 2015 in Player Feedback (PC)
Ok so I had a long break from the game and have recently started playing again and some nice changes have been added but what is with these new sets ?

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are you kidding me ? 20k hp on just the chest lol that alone is more hp than the full purified ice armor what was the Bis equipment last I played. The stats will allow any class to get over 100k hp easy and have insane dmg stats so with these new sets what is the point in old ones ?

Every other set in the game other than the few new ones seem pointless to me. When new content comes out the items don,t have to always be much stronger than existing ones. they should have unique appearances and stats but not just be overpowered. Have some unique attributes that make sets interesting and versetile but so players will have the choice of many not just the new OP ones.

And also an issue many are noticing is the pvp sets..... They aren't even obtainable atm. This is a bad mistake but also making pvp very, very unabalanced with 120k +hp players with crazy dmg stats fighitng 30-70k hp players it is pointless.
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  • neirgaraneirgara Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Since the enemies have been made stronger and are hitting for more than before, the new equipment has been changed to give you a chance to survive and to make healing via Paladin / Cleric useful.

    I can get the new PVP Sets at the same place I can get the old ones.
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  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Yeah i noticed the enemys become much harder but isnt that just a way of justifying the gear increase ?

    A while from now people will farm these sets and get mythic items to max then these enemies will be too easy, next mod items will have 100k hp on a glove and enemies will hit for 300k.... and it will go on and on.

    One massive issue with this is the new players. How will new players farm all these boons, sets and items needed to fight these enemies and compete in pvp ? I have tried making another character and just do not have time for 2 even if i stopped playing this one i dont think i would ever be able to farm up to a max char or even close.
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  • ehhhhhhwatehhhhhhwat Member Posts: 52
    edited April 2015
    I advice you try clear any T2 dungeons (last boss icluding tee-hee) , before you sprout any more of those words of wisdom of yours.

    Ty.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Yeah i noticed the enemys become much harder but isnt that just a way of justifying the gear increase ?

    A while from now people will farm these sets and get mythic items to max then these enemies will be too easy, next mod items will have 100k hp on a glove and enemies will hit for 300k.... and it will go on and on.

    One massive issue with this is the new players. How will new players farm all these boons, sets and items needed to fight these enemies and compete in pvp ? I have tried making another character and just do not have time for 2 even if i stopped playing this one i dont think i would ever be able to farm up to a max char or even close.


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  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    ehhhhhhwat wrote: »
    I advice you try clear any T2 dungeons (last boss icluding tee-hee) , before you sprout any more of those words of wisdom of yours.

    Ty.

    But as I said the new difficulty is only to make it harder because of the sets..... I doubt it's the other way around because it's about making money and there is better ways to do that than just increase items over and over or the game will soon be pointless to play and no new players will be able to even join (unless they pay).

    But ok sure enemies have increased because players are maxed out so throw in some even stronger gear and when they get maxed out again just repeat untill everyone is roaming around with millions of hp and casual/ new players are left behined.
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    But as I said the new difficulty is only to make it harder because of the sets..... I doubt it's the other way around because it's about making money and there is better ways to do that than just increase items over and over or the game will soon be pointless to play a no new players will be able to even join (unless they pay).

    But ok sure enemies have increased because players are maxed out so throw in some even stronger gear and when they get maxed out again just reapeat untill everyone is roaming around with millions of hp and casual/ new players are left behined.

    That's not true. The stronger enemies got introduced first. The armor was added later. Also, you just perfectly described how mmorpg's are set up. It is to be expected, that levels and stats do increase as the game itself evolves. New players are new to the game and shouldn't expect to be on par with people who farmed 2+ years (common sense).

    Take care.

  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    That's not true. The stronger enemies got introduced first. The armor was added later. Also, you just perfectly described how mmorpg's are set up. It is to be expected, that levels and stats do increase as the game itself evolves. New players are new to the game and shouldn't expect to be on par with people who farmed 2+ years (common sense).

    Take care.

    Not all MMO's...A good MMO welcomes new players and with this update this game is doing the exact opposite.
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  • qutsemniequtsemnie Member Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I have never seen a MMORPG delete old content so you couldn't use it. This isn't a treadmill: it is a relaunch.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Not all MMO's...A good MMO welcomes new players and with this update this game is doing the exact opposite.

    Nah, in other mmo's getting to max level may very well take months, possibly years. New characters don't automatically get everything the veterans have... I started playing mmo's (free to play ones) 10 years ago and in none of the ~10-15 games i've played, were new players served things on a silver plate.

  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Nah, in other mmo's getting to max level may very well take months, possibly years. New characters don't automatically get everything the veterans have... I started playing mmo's (free to play ones) 10 years ago and in none of the ~10-15 games i've played, were new players served things on a silver plate.

    No I'm not saying that. I agree with you, new players shouldn't easly and quickly be able to catch up to veterans but i think this game is maybe making a bit too hard ? I mean all they would need is to add matchmaking that actually balances it to make you to fight people your same gs and dungeons also fit for your gs that are rewarding for your lvl.

    Not packing all types of players together in pvp and not making all content require the maxed gear because. I mean is it really fun when ever player runs around with the same set and has almost exact stats ? :/ With this update the gear choice is too limitied I think.
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  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Yeah i noticed the enemys become much harder but isnt that just a way of justifying the gear increase ?

    A while from now people will farm these sets and get mythic items to max then these enemies will be too easy, next mod items will have 100k hp on a glove and enemies will hit for 300k.... and it will go on and on.

    One massive issue with this is the new players. How will new players farm all these boons, sets and items needed to fight these enemies and compete in pvp ? I have tried making another character and just do not have time for 2 even if i stopped playing this one i dont think i would ever be able to farm up to a max char or even close.
    take a look at this and tell me if those sets can handle it..http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?887011-PVE-dungeons-ran-several-last-night-for-hours-PVE-mobs-dealing-1Mil-Damage
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015

    Dungeons aren't just about what your wearing it's about skill and teamwork so yes the sets can handle it. Just because someone got hit that hard doesn't mean they need to keep adding gear that makes all existing gear pointless. that is NOT the way to do it. Not really sure why that's hard to understand they could have gone many ways with this but this to me wasn't the right one.
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  • iandarkswordiandarksword Member Posts: 978 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    What I'm trying to figure out is: How is the new Level 70 armor better than the level 60? It has the hit points? Why not an increase in ARMOR CLASS? Make us more resistant to damage, not simply take higher amounts of damage. The remaining stat spread is in 2 categories, which hampers your character worse. If you extrapolate total the two statistics over the 4-5 found on level 60 gear, you are hindering yourself in areas that will help your character overall. What the new armor does is it pins players into a certain statistical corner. Notice how Deflection is missing from many of them? They buffed Armor Penetration, the counter to which is Deflection. "They can't penetrate your armor if they can't hit it." No bonuses to regen and life steal(yes, they nerfed it, but not as much as you think), so your incoming healing is diminished as well. The current sets are unbalanced in such a way that players are forced to take more damage. There is more behind the items being offered now and why they eliminated the existing armors from dropping.
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  • tomiotartomiotar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Dungeons aren't just about what your wearing it's about skill and teamwork so yes the sets can handle it. Just because someone got hit that hard doesn't mean they need to keep adding gear that makes all existing gear pointless. that is NOT the way to do it. Not really sure why that's hard to understand they could have gone many ways with this but this to me wasn't the right one.

    I guess u hadn't read all, the damage on T2 has nothing to do with "skill and teamwork" normal mob can one hit everyone and bosses can 1-hit the tank with every possible buff+block on. Basically "yay Im alive", 1 sec after "oops im dead and I didnt even see what hit me". The T2 are basically impossible to finnish for the best team with the best sets and thats was informed on preview server ton of times, people with the best possible sets+with perfect balance of tank+heals+cc were never able to finnish the last boss on cragmire even using stones and mass revive scroll 1 after the other. Before saying it s a skill or teamwork problem please go to epic T2 dungeon with the best possible partners, prepare the most amazing party u can imagine and record the results on video and then bring it to this thread. If u didnt manage to complete those dungeons please dont come to the forum and say "its a matter of skill and teamwork" because the people (like me) that spent long time trying to finnish them and reporting that they were impossible can get a bit mad. Show me wrong, show me that is possible to finnish them and I will congrats you and edit every single of my post saying I was wrong, but first u have to prove me wrong. If u dont think u can do it ask friends to do it afterall if u find someone who can do its the same, but i believe that u will find the same result that we have found on preview, rigth now T2 are impossible to finnish and it doenst matter ur set nor u skill nor ur teamwork.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited April 2015
    Trust me, you're going to want those hit points no matter how skilled you are.
  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,464 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Yeah i noticed the enemys become much harder but isnt that just a way of justifying the gear increase ?

    A while from now people will farm these sets and get mythic items to max then these enemies will be too easy, next mod items will have 100k hp on a glove and enemies will hit for 300k.... and it will go on and on.

    One massive issue with this is the new players. How will new players farm all these boons, sets and items needed to fight these enemies and compete in pvp ? I have tried making another character and just do not have time for 2 even if i stopped playing this one i dont think i would ever be able to farm up to a max char or even close.

    I hate to break it to you, but pushing artifacts to mythic only gives a tiny improvement. Last night I pushed the Heart of the Red Dragon to mythic. The night before it was the Eye of Lathander. Tonight, the Token of Chromatic Storm gets the mythic treatment. It staves off the stat decline by a level or two on the way to 70, but that's really it.

    As for enchantments: my HR archer already has R10's and three R11's. They help a tiny bit, but only that. It all feels like someone's sick joke.

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  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    zebular wrote: »
    Trust me, you're going to want those hit points no matter how skilled you are.

    I'm not really annoyed with how powerful they are zeb but the fact that they make all other sets useless for most gameplay. I just feel it could have been done in a more clever way so that all sets are still good but the raw stats they give is just too much compared to others so it's not really a choice.

    All that time spending weeks/ months farming for black ice gear to finally get it then they make it pointless and i bet if i farm for this gear( when they fix the seals) a new set will just come out that is much better.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited April 2015
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    I'm not really annoyed with how powerful they are zeb but the fact that they make all other sets useless for most gameplay. I just feel it could have been done in a more clever way so that all sets are still good but the raw stats they give is just too much compared to others so it's not really a choice.

    All that time spending weeks/ months farming for black ice gear to finally get it then they make it pointless and i bet if i farm for this gear( when they fix the seals) a new set will just come out that is much better.

    Yeah, one of my few complaints is they they did not add HP to our old Set Gear to at least help us facilitate being survivable to farm our new gear. It really irks me more than words can express. I'm still having a lot of fun though.
  • yatzolyatzol Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    wait till you try a t2 and the mobs hit you for 80K+ your 95k hp is not going to be so overpowered then
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    What I'm trying to figure out is: How is the new Level 70 armor better than the level 60? It has the hit points? Why not an increase in ARMOR CLASS? Make us more resistant to damage, not simply take higher amounts of damage.
    If they made us more resistant to damage then healers would still be irrelevant. Many of the changes are purely and simply to make healing classes essential.
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  • lordrhavinlordrhavin Member Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    kalindra wrote: »
    The green and blue drops from the 60+ maps are close to or even superior to the artifact equip veterans have played for for 2 years.

    Thats the real problem, and i dont know if "they" have any agenda with this. The top-gear should be widespread, combinable, synergetic. And in case you find something better, it should be possible to give it to another player. The whole system of "bind on equip" is bull****, because gear you really did a lot of work to get is simple garbage after you find something better. And here, you suddenly find something better round the next corner.

    Im still not shure if mod6 is a great enhancement that has some SERIOUS bugs to fix or if it is a complete ****ed up idea that has some nice better item and resources graphics.

    Common sense would dictate:

    • If someone gathers ore, smites a sword, refines it with whatever hard-to-get - and all that needs a day or two in real time -,…
    • If someone explored the same dungeon tens of times to the end, often without having success in the end,…

    …then the outcome should be worth wearing and buying. It should be something you could use for while and instead of just throwing it away in the end, it should be reagent to even better gear when you reach the appropriate level or have the needed resources etc.

    Most lvl60-epics NEED(!) a way to become lvl70 legendaries, best by reagents that can be acquired with professions. And that way has to get introduced before the player exodus gets traction.

    PS: and a word on those asterics (*): This game is about killing and blody violence. And this is an international forum, not a texikkkan highschool, remove this nonesense. -.-
  • c1k4ml3kc3c1k4ml3kc3 Member Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    If they made us more resistant to damage then healers would still be irrelevant. Many of the changes are purely and simply to make healing classes essential.

    You know, I ran with some of the best DCs out there on the server who couldn't outheal the DPS we received by mobs. It's simply broken beyond recognition. DCs are only there to help the boss fights for the most part since the mobs are so hard that a boss fight seems like a vacation. Specifically evident in VT. However, Valindra's Choke will take you out no matter what you do, it's extremely overpovered and unless DC throws everything at disposal at a very specific time, which happens in 1/10, you're dead. Soulforged will activate and you'll start getting up not like a ninja but like a grandma. The animation is so slow that at the precise moment anything that hits you, be it AoE or a mob or whatever will instantly kill you. You can't, and I repeat, can't dodge anything while that particular 2-3 sec animation is up. 2-3 sec is a lot of time for the MOD6.
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