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Level 70 Black Ice Artifact Cloak and Belt are unrealistic.
traxsu
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 51
So when the patch first launched you had these for about 20,000 each.
250,000 x 2 at a cost of 500,000 compared to other artifacts is not realistic for a bind on pick up item.
As someone who actually did spend 200$ on the Black Ice pick, and multiple ones of the upgraded purple professions I will still barely be able to hit 250,000 at the patch launch and I did a lot of overfarming prior to this patch just to be safe.
Even with 3 purple grandmaster cryomancers and 4x purple assets in every slot thats still about 7.5 hours giving an average of 1500-1850. So 1675x3 or about 5000 every 7.5 hours, which is about 15,075 black ice a day approximately or 34 days of non stop black ice shaping which I don't think any rational person is willing to commit to.
My suggestion is to make each item 125,000 black ice each (250k total) it's still a large enough number to keep people from reusing it for artifact but still high enough that a dedicated player can accomplish in 17 days time.
Given that it's a green quality item and still needs to be upgraded, it seems a very poor design decision that such an item isn't worth the risk/reward.
And to the people claiming you can get said item through other means, the lvl 70 cloak and belt are not the level 60 belt and cloak. The greater one is only available from the vendor.
Thank you.
250,000 x 2 at a cost of 500,000 compared to other artifacts is not realistic for a bind on pick up item.
As someone who actually did spend 200$ on the Black Ice pick, and multiple ones of the upgraded purple professions I will still barely be able to hit 250,000 at the patch launch and I did a lot of overfarming prior to this patch just to be safe.
Even with 3 purple grandmaster cryomancers and 4x purple assets in every slot thats still about 7.5 hours giving an average of 1500-1850. So 1675x3 or about 5000 every 7.5 hours, which is about 15,075 black ice a day approximately or 34 days of non stop black ice shaping which I don't think any rational person is willing to commit to.
My suggestion is to make each item 125,000 black ice each (250k total) it's still a large enough number to keep people from reusing it for artifact but still high enough that a dedicated player can accomplish in 17 days time.
Given that it's a green quality item and still needs to be upgraded, it seems a very poor design decision that such an item isn't worth the risk/reward.
And to the people claiming you can get said item through other means, the lvl 70 cloak and belt are not the level 60 belt and cloak. The greater one is only available from the vendor.
Thank you.
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We haven't seemed what would be dropping from the new lockboxes yet... Realistically, I think that's the reason they are making the cost of these things so unrealistically high.
+! this. dear dev dudes i implore u bring cost down
so i would say just dont use the Black Ice set use one of the 3 other sets that will match your class ... you have that luxury
true that re eye... ive talked to akro and devs a few times about this. #FREE EYE FTW
yea even though I already got lucky and got my E of L I know people who have run it every day since mod 2 and have spent upwards of 100+ star metal gauntlets and still no eye its ridiculous at least make that ish BoP
Why would anyone want it?
Nope, the Black Ice Beholder artifact has a chance to appear only in the chest at the end of KR, nowhere else.
On an not unrelated note, last week the Eye of Lathander artifact appeared in the DR coffer two days in a row for my GF. Pity it wasn't for the character who already has one at lvl 80-something. But seeing as we're getting a 3rd inactive slot for artifacts at lvl 70 I might as well use the Eye and chase up the 3-set bonus now.
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So just because you will not be able to get a BiS artifact at launch you are unsatisfied with the cost and propose a half price..ok..sounds reasonable...NOT. You are just an impatient player, as many many others and your impatience makes you anxious. I get that. I dont get that you should post this in the forums. A new module is coming which is supposed to extend the life of the game for months and you DEMAND to have a BiS artifact right on launch. Its simply outrageous and moderators should have just erased this post in the first place.
Gear in this game is broken up into 3 categories the way I see it.
Low grade (drops from quests and dailies)
Mid grade (farmed, decent placeholders until you lock best in slot)
High grade (Random dungeon drop/lockboxes/end of campaign)
When the High grade is easier to acquire then the Mid grade that is the argument I'm citing, the black ice gear is progression equipment it is not designed to be the best in slot end game pieces. It's the piece you get until you beat the monster that is RNG and then upgrade into it.
Sort of like current black ice vs profound. My argument is simple, the Profound set is easier to acquire along with some of the artifacts then the black ice gear is and that makes little to no sense from a standpoint of game balance.
What? It could happen...
it's like they fired everyone who had the slightest clue about this game
You get raw black ice it needs to be converted. The stop gap isn't the actual raw black ice you farm/gather/quest. It's the profession slots required to maintain and convert it that's the problem.
point is, 250k Bi is not a realistic cost for 1 item! not even close. most BI gear costs 9-10k per pc. 250k is friggen 20x the cost!!
Bi cloak should TOPS be 20k. pref. more like 15k. TOPS
Completely irrelevant to this topic but thanks for beating the same horse.
Except for the fact the PVP gear has worse stats than the PvE gear due to tenacity being calculated in its stat allocation. so while sure they can get their PvP optimal gear from farming, it's not going to hold up in PvE.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Except wait for it... item level.
PVP gear can be instantly purchased at the highest rank, which I believe is item level 135. Gateway is messed up now so I can't check accurately without logging in.
135 has a lot of stats more then entry level raid/dungeon gear, which is blue and lousy. So rather then farming the hundreds and hundreds of seals, you get instant max level purples.
New entry level black ice gear conversely is only item level 122. Old Black Ice gear scores in at 116. So to be able to jump into the new Module with full PVP 135 item level even with tenacity will blow any regular gear out of the water, with higher stats overall regardless of the tenacity. Not to mention that the rogue duelist PVP set has ideal best in stat for the class, where some other pieces are 'oddly' stated.
30k is too easy IMO. You can farm the "RAW" AD in 1 hour if you want. Then it takes a few days to refine.
Id say more like 60k-100k per piece may be more fair, it takes a while to refine this much.
Also getting better "refining" tasks so we can do more than what, 1800 at a time? I mean I have 4 gauntlets and thats even ALOT for me....
The vast majority of us, I would bet, have only a single white gauntlet, which means 1350 BI twice a day perhaps. Refining my 100k+ raw BI is taking friggin ages.
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I still have 50k raw from 2 years ago or whatever IWD was current. I farmed enough to get all the items back then (bracer and weapon) and made a full set of corrupted BI gear. I have about 60k refined. I just quit refining after IWD was obsolete.
Again, why is a green level item, that also needs 100k's of RP to refine, cost 20-25 TIMES more than a max level purple item? WHY does the BI cloak cost 250k when the others are 15 Linu's? FFS you can get 15 Linus in a day, with some luck... I didn't even try and I have 18 Linus just from running that campaign task (I haven't set foot in Tiamat in months)... I can buy a new arty cloak on day one without even trying... but 250k BI? forget it... take me 6 months of doing nothing but farming IWD (bored of that 2 years ago) and refining.
IT'S STUPID, WRONG, AND SHOWS THE DEVS HAVE NO CLUE
And your also talking about BIS gear as well....
Im not sure how much guantlets cost, but I have a total of 4 of them (I think you get a white one for free?).
Also if you party up with another person, get a better pick, or venture to a pvp zone (not many people are ever there) you can net EASILY 20-30k in 1 hour of play. I farmed 30k last night casually running around getting raw BI.
If you want to get these items via blackice youll need to FARM it not just "passively get it"
The alternative would be what, Linus?
I dont think making it hard to get is a bad thing at all, but 250k is just SILLY. Maybe 250k RAW blackice would be more realistic.